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Offline Markstark

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Wow. Did not see that coming. The reports about AF being concerned about that video seemed like BS at the time but here we have on the record comments from NASA leadership.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/20/nasa-launch-safety-review-spacex-boeing-after-video-elon-musk-smoking-pot-rankled-agency-leaders/?utm_term=.aae783e7ec8a


Offline programmerdan

The absurdities are without end.

Spacecraft with a hole? Eh, ok.

Spacecraft launch _fails_? We trust our partner.

New spacecraft systems in design for _years_ with deep insight at every step of the process, but the CEO of one company after working 99% of his time at a totally different company tastes MJ and hates it?

STOP THE PRESS, DEEP DIVE, HALT HALT.

Really. Really?!

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This is ridiculous and I hope that both companies send NASA very fat invoices for this and that they will also demand NASA to take a full responsibility for any resulting delays.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1064962639430864898

My conclusion: the person who made this decision (that would be Jim Bridenstine) should not have been appointed.

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If we had all 400,000 NASA, primes and sub personnel tested with this mindset back in the 60's we would have never landed on the Moon... If you were around in those times you know what I mean...
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How many safety reviews (and/or "culture" reviews) has NASA done on Roscosmos?   How about since the recent "inappropriate"-ness?

In Bridenstine's words:

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“If I see something that’s inappropriate, the key concern to me is what is the culture that led to that inappropriateness and is NASA involved in that,”

 “As an agency we’re not just leading ourselves, but our contractors, as well. We need to show the American public that when we put an astronaut on a rocket, they’ll be safe.”

STFU and let SpaceX and Boeing do their jobs until you handle the Russian quality problems.

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I ask that they also check ESA (based in the Netherlands  ;D) and Airbus, their partners for Orion, as well.

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Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

Offline programmerdan

Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

At least from source article, odds are poor:

"The review was prompted by the recent behavior of SpaceX’s founder, Elon Musk, according to three officials with knowledge of the probe, after he took a hit of marijuana and sipped whiskey on a podcast streamed on the Internet. That rankled some at NASA’s highest levels and prompted the agency to take a close look at the culture of the companies, the people said."

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Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

At least from source article, odds are poor:

"The review was prompted by the recent behavior of SpaceX’s founder, Elon Musk, according to three officials with knowledge of the probe, after he took a hit of marijuana and sipped whiskey on a podcast streamed on the Internet. That rankled some at NASA’s highest levels and prompted the agency to take a close look at the culture of the companies, the people said."

This does not make it sound like less of a politically motivated hit job.

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I just see extreme hypocrisy here and with NASA In generally.
We can build and fly our own vehicles and ingnor the ssfety concerns of our contractors.
We can fly on foriegn providers that don't measure up to what we demand of our domestic providers.

I will stop here and likely get blasted, but at this point I just don't care. I am truly p.o. at what NASA is now and the aragant altitudes.

Ken
Now back to lurking

Offline programmerdan

I just see extreme hypocrisy here and with NASA In generally.
We can build and fly our own vehicles and ingnor the ssfety concerns of our contractors.
We can fly on foriegn providers that don't measure up to what we demand of our domestic providers.

I will stop here and likely get blasted, but at this point I just don't care. I am truly p.o. at what NASA is now and the aragant altitudes.

Ken
Now back to lurking

Nah, it's a struggle here from me to keep from being angry, and so far sentiment flows in similar directions from others I'm following.

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Interests other than safety are at play here IMO.

Offline Markstark

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Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

That's an interesting angle. But I wouldn't bet on it being the case.

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Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

At least from source article, odds are poor:

"The review was prompted by the recent behavior of SpaceX’s founder, Elon Musk, according to three officials with knowledge of the probe, after he took a hit of marijuana and sipped whiskey on a podcast streamed on the Internet. That rankled some at NASA’s highest levels and prompted the agency to take a close look at the culture of the companies, the people said."

This does not make it sound like less of a politically motivated hit job.

Yep, I totally get that.  I was thinking that in light of Boeing's screw up with the 737, Jim Bridenstine or other NASA leaders might be wanting to take a closer look at Boeing's safety culture, or whatever.  They can't say anything negative about Boeing for various political reasons....but they can use SpaceX as a scapegoat to start a review of Boeing....

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Remember we were warned about the Administrator from his record during the nomination and the resistance to it... So really no surprise for me...
« Last Edit: 11/20/2018 07:33 pm by Rocket Science »
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So let me get this straight.....

All it takes for NASA is to see someone doing something legal (state anyways) on there own/off the clock personal time....and the company they own needs to be reviewed??  And other companies that have nothing to do with that get reviewed too...because???

NASA....We are all well aware of how risk adverse you are.  You don't need to find new ways to show it....sheesh.....

I wonder if this will make NASA require all contracted companies to drug test all company members........ :-X

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The "Old-Space/Revolving Door" culture must be feeling a bit threatened.
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Seeing a lot of comments around the web, rightfully asking WTF...  I wonder if this has more to do with Boeing's 'Safety' feature that just killed 189 people.  Spotlight seems to be on SpaceX, but maybe its actually the other way around?  What are the odds of that....

At least from source article, odds are poor:

"The review was prompted by the recent behavior of SpaceX’s founder, Elon Musk, according to three officials with knowledge of the probe, after he took a hit of marijuana and sipped whiskey on a podcast streamed on the Internet. That rankled some at NASA’s highest levels and prompted the agency to take a close look at the culture of the companies, the people said."

This does not make it sound like less of a politically motivated hit job.

Yep, I totally get that.  I was thinking that in light of Boeing's screw up with the 737, Jim Bridenstine or other NASA leaders might be wanting to take a closer look at Boeing's safety culture, or whatever.  They can't say anything negative about Boeing for various political reasons....but they can use SpaceX as a scapegoat to start a review of Boeing....

there is no proven screw up of the 737 max.

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Everyone pointing at the 737 Max is looking the wrong way, IMO.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1064647682919145473

This thread of discussion is a more likely cause of the rankles at the administrative level.

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Careful, Jimmy B might be seen lurking around Fishlips pee cup in hand... :o ::)
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