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CRS-17 Discussion thread

NSF Threads for CRS-17 : Discussion / Updates / RNDZ, ISS Ops, EOM Updates
NSF Articles for CRS-17:

NSF Articles for CRS missions :  https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=CRS

Successful launch May 4, 2019 at 0248 EDT (0711 UTC) on Falcon 9 (new booster 1056) from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral. Successful booster landing at LZ-1.

RTLS landing was initially planned, but ASDS landing will be used due to the investigation of the Crew Dragon test anomaly at LZ-1.   The Dragon spacecraft was previously used for CRS-12. 

First launch attempt on May 3 scrubbed because of power issues on recovery droneship and a leaky helium quick disconnect on the GSE for stage 2.



External cargo: OCO-3, STP-H6



Other SpaceX resources on NASASpaceflight:
   SpaceX News Articles (Recent)  /   SpaceX News Articles from 2006 (Including numerous exclusive Elon interviews)
   SpaceX Dragon Articles  /  SpaceX Missions Section (with Launch Manifest and info on past and future missions)
   L2 SpaceX Section
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #2 on: 01/03/2019 07:44 pm »
December article on ZBLAN includes:

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The FOMS Space Facility for Orbital Remote Manufacturing (SpaceFORM) experiment, supported by the ISS National Lab, NASA, the Small Business Innovation Research program, and private funding, is scheduled to launch on SpaceX CRS-17. SpaceFORM, which is covered by an issued U.S. patent, is capable of producing up to 50 km of optical fiber in a single flight.

https://upward.issnationallab.org/the-race-to-manufacture-zblan/

More background and info in article.

Edit to add: article attached. ZBLAN follow-up best in existing 3D printing in space thread
« Last Edit: 01/03/2019 07:56 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #3 on: 01/03/2019 08:20 pm »
Maybe three ZBLAN experiments will be on SpX-17 then...

Thorlabs in orbit: Space station hosts optical fiber experiment
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Inside that 21-inch-by-18-inch-by-11-inch box is a self-contained factory using the near-weightlessness of space to pull high quality optic fiber from highly technical glass.
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As Saad talked about the project last week on the upper floors of Thorlabs' headquarters on Sparta Avenue, more than 250 miles higher still, astronauts were installing the third box in a series of four that make up this stage of experiments.

The third box was delivered to the ISS on Dec. 8, aboard the SpaceX-16 mission and returns to Earth early next year when the docking vehicle leaves the station. A fourth box will be delivered aboard SpaceX-17, due to launch in March.

Saad heads up the Thorlabs team that is working with a team from a California-based company, Made in Space, which is providing the mechanics of the glass-pulling "factory" in the box.
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The glass being used in the ISS experiments is made from a group of fluoride compounds.

The difference between glass fiber made from silica and fiber drawn from fluoride is the wavelengths of light that can be transmitted along the fiber.
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Saad said the first two flights of the production box on ISS did not produce any fiber because of mechanical issues.
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The result was blobs of glass, rather than strings of glass.

In this third box, the glass is pulled along and it's hoped strands of fiber will result. The box has three "pre-forms," specific size, shape and weight pieces of pure glass, which can be pulled into a total of 1.5 kilometers (0.93 miles) of optic fiber.
...

I'm not sure the 3-D printing thread is really the place for this stuff, I don't think any of them are 3-D printers.  Do we have another thread for in-space manufacturing, or maybe the optical fiber experiments could use their own thread?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #4 on: 01/03/2019 08:44 pm »
Maybe three ZBLAN experiments will be on SpX-17 then...

Thorlabs in orbit: Space station hosts optical fiber experiment
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Inside that 21-inch-by-18-inch-by-11-inch box is a self-contained factory using the near-weightlessness of space to pull high quality optic fiber from highly technical glass.
...
As Saad talked about the project last week on the upper floors of Thorlabs' headquarters on Sparta Avenue, more than 250 miles higher still, astronauts were installing the third box in a series of four that make up this stage of experiments.

The third box was delivered to the ISS on Dec. 8, aboard the SpaceX-16 mission and returns to Earth early next year when the docking vehicle leaves the station. A fourth box will be delivered aboard SpaceX-17, due to launch in March.

Saad heads up the Thorlabs team that is working with a team from a California-based company, Made in Space, which is providing the mechanics of the glass-pulling "factory" in the box.
...
The glass being used in the ISS experiments is made from a group of fluoride compounds.

The difference between glass fiber made from silica and fiber drawn from fluoride is the wavelengths of light that can be transmitted along the fiber.
...
Saad said the first two flights of the production box on ISS did not produce any fiber because of mechanical issues.
...
The result was blobs of glass, rather than strings of glass.

In this third box, the glass is pulled along and it's hoped strands of fiber will result. The box has three "pre-forms," specific size, shape and weight pieces of pure glass, which can be pulled into a total of 1.5 kilometers (0.93 miles) of optic fiber.
...

I'm not sure the 3-D printing thread is really the place for this stuff, I don't think any of them are 3-D printers.  Do we have another thread for in-space manufacturing, or maybe the optical fiber experiments could use their own thread?

Excuse me but I only know of two ZBLAN fiber drawing systems on CRS-17: FOMS and Thorlabs/Made-in-Space.
I believe that the Thorlabs article, or another that I may have read in another place like Photonics Spectrum, says the second one, the first to fly, is a collaboration between Thorlabs and Made In Space, plus perhaps some other suppliers.
Is there indeed a third?
Or am I wrong about the collaboration?

ZBLAN fiber may be the "killer app" for in-space manufacturing we have been wanting for decades.
We could estimate the mass if we knew the diameter of the fiber, but if it's 100 microns, that (1E-4)^2*(Pi/4)~ 1E-8 m^3/m => ~2E-8tons = 2E-5 kg = 1/(5E+4) kg.  At several thousand dollars per meter that's some multiple of $50M/kg.  If the processes are only 10% efficient that's $5M/kg.  YMMV, but that's a lot more than launch costs, even within Dragon.
« Last Edit: 01/03/2019 08:46 pm by Comga »
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #5 on: 01/03/2019 09:44 pm »
From the article that FutureSpaceTourist linked:
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These promising results led to the development of POC’s Orbital Fiber Optic Production Module, which is scheduled for launch to the ISS on SpaceX’s Commercial Resupply Services (CRS)-17 mission in 2019.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #6 on: 01/15/2019 08:20 am »
Cross-post:
https://ria.ru/20190115/1549361597.html
Google translate:
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"The launch of the Dragon cargo ship is scheduled for March 16," the agency’s source said.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #7 on: 01/16/2019 10:32 pm »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #8 on: 01/28/2019 05:00 pm »
NET mid-April per the FCC filings.

New FCC filings:
0023-EX-ST-2019 - CRS-17 Dragon Tracking (Starts 4/12/19)
0026-EX-ST-2019 - Arabsat 6A Falcon Heavy Launch (Starts 3/7/19)
0028-EX-ST-2019 - Arabsat 6A recovery filings for both landing zones and the droneship (Starts 3/7/19)

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #9 on: 02/07/2019 02:27 pm »
Ben Cooper has updated a launch date to NET April 12, I don't know if simply because of the FCC filling or based on some other sources.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #10 on: 02/11/2019 05:25 pm »
April 25 according to Spaceflight Now, published today: https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #11 on: 02/18/2019 03:48 pm »
So I was looking at the updated list of available cores on Reddit and I realized I have no idea which core could be used for CRS-17. So far, NASA seemed to allow a reused booster only if it had just one LEO NASA mission under its belt. But all currently available boosters are either already assigned to other missions or have done 2+ launches.

Some possibilities and thoughts:

-There could be a new core heading to McGregor any day now since SpaceX hasn't produced a new core in the last 7 weeks or so (2 months to prepare the core for CRS-17 might be tight, though)
-Maybe there already is a new core for CRS-17 somewhere but we somehow missed it (not very likely)
-CRS-17 will use a booster that's already been used twice (B1048 flew on two LEO missions and has been moved to the Cape some time ago, so it could work)
-CRS-17 will use the DM-1 booster (would require a fairly quick turnaround + it's risky with all the DM-1 delays)

To me, B1048.3 seems like the most likely option. What do you think?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #12 on: 02/18/2019 04:35 pm »
So I was looking at the updated list of available cores on Reddit and I realized I have no idea which core could be used for CRS-17. So far, NASA seemed to allow a reused booster only if it had just one LEO NASA mission under its belt. But all currently available boosters are either already assigned to other missions or have done 2+ launches.

Some possibilities and thoughts:

-There could be a new core heading to McGregor any day now since SpaceX hasn't produced a new core in the last 7 weeks or so (2 months to prepare the core for CRS-17 might be tight, though)
-Maybe there already is a new core for CRS-17 somewhere but we somehow missed it (not very likely)
-CRS-17 will use a booster that's already been used twice (B1048 flew on two LEO missions and has been moved to the Cape some time ago, so it could work)
-CRS-17 will use the DM-1 booster (would require a fairly quick turnaround + it's risky with all the DM-1 delays)

To me, B1048.3 seems like the most likely option. What do you think?

I'd guess it was probably meant to be 50.2, but no chance of that now. I'd say 51.2 is a strong possibility, since I think a ~2 month turnaround isn't outside of the realm of possibility (the record low turnaround time (72 days) was on CRS-15). Otherwise, it's probably going to be a new core. But could be a 3rd flight. That's really up to NASA.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #13 on: 02/18/2019 04:46 pm »
I'd guess it was probably meant to be 50.2, but no chance of that now. I'd say 51.2 is a strong possibility, since I think a ~2 month turnaround isn't outside of the realm of possibility (the record low turnaround time (72 days) was on CRS-15). Otherwise, it's probably going to be a new core. But could be a 3rd flight. That's really up to NASA.
B1050.2 was reportedly expected to launch Radarsats, that's why there is uncertainty now about which booster they'll launch on.

Good point about the record turnaround time (and that was with Block 4 even). However, I still think B1051.2 is a risky option from a planning perspective. Presumably, cores are assigned to missions months in advance and with DM-1's launch date uncertainty they'd risk having to have to switch CRS-17 to a different core only a few weeks before launch. But I guess they could have some sort of Plan A/Plan B kind of thing going. Meaning, B1051 is preferable but in case of more DM-1 delays, B1048.3 could serve as backup (and wouldn't be assigned to another mission until CRS-17's booster is selected more firmly).

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #14 on: 02/18/2019 04:58 pm »
How badly damaged is B1050?

Is it retired, or will it undergo extensive maintenance for a potential reflight?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #15 on: 02/18/2019 05:07 pm »
I think we need a new proverb. Don't count your rockets before they've safely landed.

SpaceX probably does assign cores to payloads several months in advance, probably more in some cases, but they have indeed switched cores a couple of times when necessary.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #16 on: 02/18/2019 05:12 pm »
How badly damaged is B1050?

Is it retired, or will it undergo extensive maintenance for a potential reflight?

I've assumed that the impact from tipping over caused internal structural damage that wasn't visible from the outside. It cracked the interstage open like an egg, so I can imagine that kind of stress wasn't kind to the tankage. Also half of the engines were immersed in salt water for a couple of days.

SpaceX will certainly salvage everything they can from 50, but I'd be very surprised to see it fly an operational mission again.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #17 on: 02/18/2019 09:36 pm »
I've assumed that the impact from tipping over caused internal structural damage that wasn't visible from the outside. It cracked the interstage open like an egg, so I can imagine that kind of stress wasn't kind to the tankage. Also half of the engines were immersed in salt water for a couple of days.
I wouldn't worry about the engines. Engines are cheap (I believe 300k-500k each) and abundant (they should be able to produce 1 Merlin/day) and easily replaced. I'd be more worried about structural damage to the tankage which will probably mean a total-loss of the booster, however minor that damage may be.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
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Re: SpaceX F9 : CRS SpX-17 : May 4, 2019 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #19 on: 03/20/2019 06:34 pm »
Target launch time on NET 25 April is 06:20 EDT.  The exact, to-the-second mark is in the back quarter of that minute, so the minute might adjust to 06:21 EDT as we get closer.  Either way, give or take a few seconds for ISS phasing, this will be a pre-dawn launch if it holds to 25 April.

Local sunrise on that day is 06:47 EDT.

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