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Landspace, a private Chinese space company, will launch its solid propellant rocket Zhuque-1 (ZQ-1) by the end of 2018, making it the country’s first private carrier to enter into orbit.

Carrying a small satellite, the rocket will be launched at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in northwest China, the Beijing-based rocket maker said on Thursday.

"If the launch mission can go well, the ZQ-1 will become China's first private carrier rocket that can send satellites into space," said Zhang Changwu, Landspace's CEO.

The 19-metre-long rocket has a 1.35-metre diameter, a takeoff weight of 27 tonnes and thrust of 45 tonnes. It is flexible, cost-efficient and has been designed using mature technology.

"After nine months of development, the rocket completed the final assembly on Monday and entered the launching phase, showing that the company is capable of making rockets," Zhang said.

The satellite onboard the rocket, which will be known as Future, is scheduled to stay in orbit for two years. Further, the plan is for it to carry out a series of science experiments and remote sensing duties for China Central Television.

ZQ is short for Zhuque (or Vermilion Bird). It is one of the four spirits in ancient Chinese mythology and has a chicken’s head, swallow’s chin, snake’s neck and fish’s tail. It is also referred to as the God of the South and represents fire, given its close association with the Western phoenix.

The company also plans to launch ZQ-2, a liquid-fuelled rocket, in 2020.

China has more than 60 private companies involved in the commercial space industry, all of which are fighting for market share.
https://gbtimes.com/first-chinese-private-sector-commercial-rocket-set-for-2018-orbit
« Last Edit: 10/27/2018 09:18 pm by input~2 »
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Q4 2018
« Reply #1 on: 08/25/2018 12:03 pm »
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Q4 2018
« Reply #2 on: 08/25/2018 03:45 pm »
Zhuque-1 taking shape

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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Q4 2018
« Reply #3 on: 08/26/2018 07:35 am »
Could ZQ-1 be an adaption of the DF-26? Reports have this at 1.4 m diameter, close to the 1.35 m diameter of ZQ-1.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/dong-feng-26-df-26/
« Last Edit: 08/26/2018 07:38 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #4 on: 08/26/2018 07:56 am »
According to Spaceflightfans.cn, Future-1 will be launched on Oct 14, 2018
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45545.msg1850398#msg1850398
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #5 on: 08/26/2018 06:27 pm »

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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #6 on: 08/28/2018 05:53 am »
The DF-26 is a longer version of the DF-21, which looks to be too short for ZQ-1.
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #7 on: 08/29/2018 05:00 pm »
LandSpace ZQ-1 rocket getting ready for launch

headquarter Huzhou City, Zhejiang Province
assembly in Xi'an City, Shaanxi Province
launch Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, Gansu Province
Zhang Changwu (CEO LandSpace): launch "in the next two months"
payload - a small satellite called “Future”

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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #8 on: 08/29/2018 05:11 pm »
Landspace, a private Chinese space company, will launch its solid propellant rocket Zhuque-1 (ZQ-1) by the end of 2018, making it the country’s first private carrier to enter into orbit.

Carrying a small satellite, the rocket will be launched at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in northwest China, the Beijing-based rocket maker said on Thursday.

"If the launch mission can go well, the ZQ-1 will become China's first private carrier rocket that can send satellites into space," said Zhang Changwu, Landspace's CEO.

The 19-metre-long rocket has a 1.35-metre diameter, a takeoff weight of 27 tonnes and thrust of 45 tonnes. It is flexible, cost-efficient and has been designed using mature technology.

"After nine months of development, the rocket completed the final assembly on Monday and entered the launching phase, showing that the company is capable of making rockets," Zhang said.

The satellite onboard the rocket, which will be known as Future, is scheduled to stay in orbit for two years. Further, the plan is for it to carry out a series of science experiments and remote sensing duties for China Central Television.

ZQ is short for Zhuque (or Vermilion Bird). It is one of the four spirits in ancient Chinese mythology and has a chicken’s head, swallow’s chin, snake’s neck and fish’s tail. It is also referred to as the God of the South and represents fire, given its close association with the Western phoenix.

The company also plans to launch ZQ-2, a liquid-fuelled rocket, in 2020.

China has more than 60 private companies involved in the commercial space industry, all of which are fighting for market share.
https://gbtimes.com/first-chinese-private-sector-commercial-rocket-set-for-2018-orbit
Google transliteration of “未来号”卫星 from http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/landspace-zhuque-1-rocket-first-launch-test
“未来号”卫星 is “Wèilái hào” wèixīng with "Wèilái hào" meaning Future, so Future Satellite for CCTV.

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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #9 on: 09/27/2018 12:48 pm »
The Zhuque-1 launch vehicle was sent to Jiuquan today.

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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
« Reply #10 on: 10/01/2018 11:26 pm »
Launch date is October 27, as anounced by the company at the IAC 2018 in Bremen yesterday.

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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #13 on: 10/25/2018 03:19 pm »
Does anyone has access to the LandSpace Internet site?

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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #14 on: 10/25/2018 04:50 pm »
Does anyone has access to the LandSpace Internet site?
Only to landspace.com, landspacetech.com is down.

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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #15 on: 10/26/2018 05:11 am »
Someone on Spaceflightfans.cn is saying the launch window is 10:27-16:57. That is presumable local time, which translates to 2:27-8:57 UTC.

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/landspace-zhuque-1-rocket-first-launch-test?instance_id=1921

"樱花咒 [广西壮族自治区南宁市网友]
10月27日10:27一16:57择机发射。"

"Sakura Curse [Nanning City, Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region]
On October 27th, 10:27-16:57 chose to launch."

Here's the 9ifly thread. Couldn't find any launch times there. About the only thing they are saying is that there are no NOTAMs.

http://bbs.9ifly.cn/thread-89028-11-1.html
« Last Edit: 10/26/2018 05:13 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Someone on Spaceflightfans.cn is saying the launch window is 10:27-16:57. That is presumable local time, which translates to 2:27-8:57 UTC.

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/landspace-zhuque-1-rocket-first-launch-test?instance_id=1921

"樱花咒 [广西壮族自治区南宁市网友]
10月27日10:27一16:57择机发射。"

"Sakura Curse [Nanning City, Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region]
On October 27th, 10:27-16:57 chose to launch."

Here's the 9ifly thread. Couldn't find any launch times there. About the only thing they are saying is that there are no NOTAMs.

http://bbs.9ifly.cn/thread-89028-11-1.html

What I can say is that a search for air space closure notices related to this turned up nothing and LandSpace is silent.  ::)
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #17 on: 10/26/2018 11:06 pm »
Launch window now reported to be Oct. 27 - 04:30 - 15:59 UTC

Source: https://spacelaunchnow.me/launch/zhuque-1-weilai-1-future-1-1633

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Launch window now reported to be Oct. 27 - 04:30 - 15:59 UTC

Source: https://spacelaunchnow.me/launch/zhuque-1-weilai-1-future-1-1633

This is merely copying the rumor that "launch is after 04:30 UTC" and still keeping the launch time within Oct. 27 LT.  :P

I have seen nothing new since my last post.
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #20 on: 10/27/2018 03:45 am »
T-0 = NET 0430 UTC
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #21 on: 10/27/2018 04:07 am »
T-0 = 0800 UTC
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #22 on: 10/27/2018 08:00 am »
Launch should be happening now if everything went well with the count.
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Apparently launched on time per someone on site.
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #25 on: 10/27/2018 08:04 am »
9ifly says launch has happened.

http://bbs.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=89028&pid=619839

" long行天下 发表于 2018-10-27 16:02 | 只看该作者
微博上说已经发射了!"

"The microblog says it's fired!"
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #26 on: 10/27/2018 08:07 am »
Good 1st stage separation.

Bing translation.

"Has been launched, a meeting of the figure. One or two-stage successful separation, total duration of about eight minutes."
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Re: Weilai-1 (Future-1) - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - October 27, 2018
« Reply #27 on: 10/27/2018 08:11 am »
So, it should be in orbit by now or "reached space". :-)
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« Last Edit: 10/27/2018 08:19 am by Galactic Penguin SST »
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Another photo just posted.
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Yes, but I got info from Twitter that the launch has failed:

https://twitter.com/Nextlaunch/status/1056099511104344064

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Yes, but I got info from Twitter that the launch has failed:

https://twitter.com/Nextlaunch/status/1056099511104344064

He's saying that apparently attitude control failed after 3rd stage ignition.
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Given this is the first private orbital launch of China, I suppose they'll at least consider it a partial success, if some kind of orbit was achieved.

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Rui's article. We'll leave it open ended per if it was a success or not pending more info.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/10/chinese-landspace-launches-weilai-1-zhuque-1-rocket/

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« Last Edit: 10/27/2018 10:02 am by Chris Bergin »
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So far no official updates yet or any new things being tracked by NORAD.
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Well the mission has been officially declared lost - this article has quotes from the CEO of Landspace: https://xw.qq.com/tech/20181027007990/TEC2018102700799000
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Photo of liftoff from the above link.
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Official statement from Landspace: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/qsY9VcYZomyKNYEv-eXc2w
« Last Edit: 10/27/2018 01:15 pm by Galactic Penguin SST »
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given how disgusting the stench of a rotting potato is, it's good they tried to do this in space...

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Re: LV statistics
It appears to me that ZQ-1 is 0 launch successes / 1 total launch attempt = 0%

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The same reports on the web indicates that the deal fell through earlier (also with suspected similar deals such as with Onespace) and so ZQ-1 will be a one off vehicle with all attentions by the company turned to the methane powered ZQ-2.
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CCTV launch video:
http://tv.cctv.com/2018/10/27/VIDEOWXoifBZBpM6VeQSDtLy181027.shtml

I wonder if launch codename was "01-96"

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Launch and short interview with Zhang Changwu

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According to reports 2nd stage separation and 3rd stage ignition did occur as planned, but then the stage experienced attitude control problems (RCS problems?). The stage reached 340 km in altitude but the final velocity was only 6.X km/s, not enough to enter orbit.

Here's the launch sequence of this flight as posted elsewhere:

0 s Liftoff
4.7 s Roll and pitch program initation
60.7 s 1st stage separation
125.7 s 2nd stage separation
156.5 s Fairing separation
367.6 s 3rd stage ignition
417 s 3rd stage burn-out
452 s Orbit insertion terminal guidance initation
474.6 s Spacecraft separation
« Last Edit: 10/28/2018 04:42 am by Galactic Penguin SST »
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This article implies that at T+380 seconds the (spin-stabilized?) third stage started to spin on the Y-axis (which it should be spinning on the X-axis).
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This article implies that at T+380 seconds the (spin-stabilized?) third stage started to spin on the Y-axis (which it should be spinning on the X-axis).

My Hypothesis based on NSF posts: motor or counter weight spin up for Rhumb line control with a thruster section (trim module per previous posts of NSF) for terminal phase of flight, despin, orientation for SC Sep, and CCAM / back-off sequence.

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https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1057570251704070144

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Hu0Hld_z5MLL2PkdI6awfg

Google translation:

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A preliminary interpretation of the results of the flight test of "Suzaku No.1" by Blue Arrow Aerospace
Original: LANDSPACE Blue Arrow Space Technology

At 16:00 on October 27, 2018, the Blue Arrow Aerospace "Suzaku No. 1" launch vehicle was launched at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center.

During the flight, the maximum flying height of “Suzaku No.1” was 337 kilometers and the fastest speed was 6,300 meters/second. After 402 seconds of liftoff, there was an abnormality at the third level, and the future number of the carrier was not able to follow the planned schedule. We feel very sorry and regretful about this, and we also thank the partners for "refueling to the future" column and satellite development. Fang Wei Na Star Sky understands and supports us.

After two days of analysis and analysis of the data, the preliminary reason for the suspicion is that the damage of a thrust chamber of the final repair control power system causes the control force to drop and the propellant to leak, the attitude control force is abnormal, and the propellant is exhausted in advance. Blue Arrow Aerospace has organized a number of experts to conduct investigations. After summarizing all the data, it will further analyze and form the final conclusion, and proceed to prepare for insurance claims.

From the development to the launch, "Suzaku No. 1" also received support from all parties. Blue Arrow Space sincerely thanked all relevant authorities, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, CCTV Creation, Rocket and other cooperative organizations for "Suzaku No.1" "The care and encouragement." There is no end to scientific exploration. I believe that in the near future, we will look back at the earth again through the eyes of Suzaku.


△ Suzaku No. 1 arrow camera shooting picture △


Attachment: Preliminary Interpretation of the Flight Test Results of the Blue Arrow Aerospace "Suzaku No.1"

From October 27 to 28, 2018, Beijing Blue Arrow Space Technology Co., Ltd. (Blue Arrow Aerospace) conducted a preliminary analysis of the rapid processing data of the flight test of the "Suzaku No. 1" three-stage solid rocket.

After data interpretation, the rocket ignited and took off normally, the first-class flight was normal, the first-level separation was normal, the second-level flight was normal, the second and third-level separation was normal, the fairing separation was normal, the third-stage taxiing section was normal, and the third-stage main engine was ignited. The rocket is flying normally. The maximum flying height is 337km and the fastest speed is 6300m/s.

After the third-level work is about 37s (corresponding to the total flight time of 402s), the main engine works normally, but the attitude control force is abnormal and the propellant is exhausted in advance. After preliminary analysis, it is suspected that the damage of a thrust chamber of the final repair position control power system causes the control force to drop and the propellant to leak.

At the same time, many experts have been organized to conduct investigations, and after all the data are summarized, they will be further analyzed to form a final conclusion.
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Re: CCTV Future-1 - ZhuQue-1 - JSLC - Oct 14, 2018
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The DF-26 is a longer version of the DF-21, which looks to be too short for ZQ-1.
CGTN: Chinese rocket force launches new missiles in northwest China's desert

A missile unit of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) rocket force successfully launched two new missiles in a recent combat drill under extreme conditions in the desert area of northwestern China. They were identified by Global Times as DF-26 intermediate-range ballistic missiles. It is the first time the launch of the missiles and their detailed images have been made public.

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