Author Topic: Project "Harvest Moon"  (Read 6614 times)

Offline Lar

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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #20 on: 08/22/2018 08:43 pm »
If you go to any Wikipedia page, the left hand column has the word "Help". Click on that and look for the "Teahouse." Click on Teahouse and you'll find a report of my status on the Harvest Moon article. Briefly, another Wiki editor is going to review it for Wiki technicalities and make changes as necessary. I would also like to read Barbara Marx Hubbard's biography in hopes of finding related topics that I can look up. Wiki doesn't permit original research, so whatever is on the Wiki page needs valid citations from public sources. Considering that I had never heard of Harvest Moon and have only been at it for a little over a week, I've made great progress. I should have a draft article very soon, but it will take Wiki as much as six weeks to review it and decide if it is "notable" enough for a Wiki article. But it is in the works.

Please message me (on Wiki, to my User talk page) with a link to your draft, I would love to see it. I am prepared, just from it being written up in the WSJ, to argue for notability as is. I'm an admin there, and my userID is "Lar"  Here's a link to my user and talk pages on english wikipedia

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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #21 on: 08/22/2018 10:48 pm »
This should link to Anobium625/sandbox page for any bloggers interested in editing Wikipedia.


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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #22 on: 08/23/2018 05:33 am »
Excellent work, really ! There is a sidenote to that story, which is Mankind One.

https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/barbara-marx-hubbard-and-origins-pro-space-movement-1970s

http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2017/04/geosynchronous-drift-krafft-ehrickes.html

Now if you look at Quickscan list of CFF documents, you'll see that Ehricke was among them.

Mankind One was proposed in May 1972, right between Teague 9 march 1972 congressional support and NASA July 18, 1972 denial.

Also, General Bleimayer had played an important role on the cancelled MOL / KH-10 manned spysat. The CFF roaster was quite impressive.

Barbara Marx Hubbard had gatherings called SYNCON, and Whiteside aide was Alan Ladwig who later went to NASA HQ in 1980 and pushed CFF like outreach projects through the shuttle (such as poor Mc Auliffe Teacher in space)

More on the Ladwig conexction later.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/aero/events/tgir/2003/speakers03/ladwig.htm


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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #23 on: 08/23/2018 11:11 am »
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-02-06/news/vw-4525_1_campaign-managers/2

It is perhaps one of the more remarquable legacies  of Project Harvest Moon and Barbara Marx Hubbard space activism. Alan Ladwig probably understood, in 1972, that somebody had to be part of NASA to get the space agency onboard such projects. Ladwig did exactly that, from 1980 onwards.

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Between 1981 to 1990, he held a variety of positions at NASA Headquarters, including Manager of the Space Flight Participant Program, Director of Special Projects for the Office of Exploration, and Manager of the Shuttle Student Involvement Program. He also served as the Assistant to the Director of the Administrator's Long-Range Planning Task Force that produced the report, Leadership and America's Future in Space (The Ride Report).

Ladwig pioneered NASA outreach toward students and secondary schools, flying experiments aboard the Shuttle. Later the next logical step was to fly a teacher. It is quite heartbreaking that Christa McAuliffe died like this; at least Barbara Morgan carried on, become an astronaut, and finally flew in space.
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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #24 on: 08/26/2018 12:04 pm »
Dang, looks like Richard Hoagland was involved in the project. He actually provided some valuable hindsight and advice, so it seems it happened before he turned completely bonkers with that face-on-Mars siliness B.S.
I still wonder what happened to him. It is not the first time I find his name associed to non-whacky proposals (look at Arthur Clarke 2010 postface. Here's come Richiiiie ! He is mentionned as an advisor to Clarke, damn it)
He really went over the top in the mid-to-late 70's, God only knows the why and how it happened. Did space lizzards washed and ate his brain circa 1977 ?  :o 
I often wonder if his ascent in craziness is related to Capricorn One. Maybe he saw the movie and cynically reasonned "conspiracies sell far better that serious stuff." Or maybe he really went nut rather than just cynical, perhaps chocking on popcorn ?

It is a bit like Brian O'Leary unfortunate trajectory, at least O'Leary was not that insane, and had some valid excuses for his late drift into esoterics and fringe science.
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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #25 on: 08/27/2018 02:42 am »
Loving this Harvest Moon history but must comment on Richard Hoagland. 

He was relatively serious at first, and wrote articles as a science journalist around the time of the Voyager flybys of Saturn.  But this was about the time of the Reagan-era OMB expressing a wish to shut down planetary exploration altogether - this was under David Stockman.  What follows is my interpretation of what happened. 

Hoagland conceived the idea that the public would only get behind space if there were big stories in the media, not just plain old science.   His first step was an article about a weird power source in Saturn's rings which would power humanity for ever if only one of the superpowers [there used to be two of them] could get to it first.  This was based on a poorly-understood radio emission detected by Voyager from or modulated by the rings.  It was a real phenomenon but he constructed a bizarre story out of it, trying to get public and/or congressional support behind planetary exploration.  I don't have a reference to that story, though I kept it for many years, but maybe someone can find it.  The date would be about 1981.

After that he got into the face on Mars and other ideas about aliens on Mars and the Moon, using the power of conspiracy theories - we can see today even more than then how powerful they can be.  The original purpose was to get the public behind a return to Mars, maybe even with people, at a time when Viking was ending with no successor in sight.  Whip up the public and let them push Congress. 

I have argued publically before that Hoagland started this nonsense for well-meaning reasons.  But as others have learned or are now re-learning,  he found that he was now trapped in the lies.  He couldn't get out of it, and also there was the little matter of earning a living - he couldn't go back to science or science journalism.  But the lecture circuit, books, and later websites brought him an income which he now had to keep going.  He never actually believed any of it, in my view.  Many others in the aliens on Mars field also don't believe it - all that crap about buildings seen in orbital images (at the limit of resolution, of course) or sasquatches on Mars in Curiosity images - it's all from people who don't believe it, but can make money off it with views of a web page.  That's why it is a waste of time arguing with them about it.
 

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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #26 on: 08/27/2018 04:21 am »
He never actually believed any of it, in my view.  Many others in the aliens on Mars field also don't believe it - all that crap about buildings seen in orbital images (at the limit of resolution, of course) or sasquatches on Mars in Curiosity images - it's all from people who don't believe it, but can make money off it with views of a web page.  That's why it is a waste of time arguing with them about it. 

I saw him at an event many years ago. I think his wackiness is genuine, not an act.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1022/1

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Re: Project "Harvest Moon"
« Reply #27 on: 08/27/2018 05:26 am »
Maybe he is just a good actor at playing a whacko. Except the frontier between acting and real world is more and more blurred as time goes by, and he turned whacko all the time.

Phil Stooke: I read your article about Hog-land credentials. He really took an arrow in the knee - or in the brain - circa 1981.
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