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Offline WindnWar

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RD-180 possible sales ban
« on: 08/09/2018 08:53 PM »
Saw this tweet today from Sandra Erwin at Spacenews.

https://twitter.com/Sandra_I_Erwin/status/1027648549453017088

The article is not the greatest, plenty of mistakes but is this more saber rattling or an actual threat this time. Does anyone have a count on the number of RD-180's on hand, and could this be expanded to the RD-181 that Antares uses?

I figure this is a better place to ask this question given the political nature of it.

Offline wolfpack

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Re: RD-180 possible sales ban
« Reply #1 on: 08/09/2018 10:00 PM »
Aren't we already not buying them per McCain's legislation a few years back? Seems like an easy thing to make noise about if there weren't any sales to begin with.

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Re: RD-180 possible sales ban
« Reply #2 on: 08/10/2018 02:29 AM »
According to the Daily Beast article mentioned in the tweet, the last 18 engines are to be delivered in 2019.

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Re: RD-180 possible sales ban
« Reply #3 on: 08/10/2018 05:38 AM »
Aren't we already not buying them per McCain's legislation a few years back? Seems like an easy thing to make noise about if there weren't any sales to begin with.
There was a loophole but basically no we aren't ordering anymore.


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Small miracle that final 2019 order actually went through, it will be interesting to see if they are delivered or if the Russians decide to just keep them and the money.
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Re: RD-180 possible sales ban
« Reply #4 on: 08/10/2018 10:36 AM »
According to the Daily Beast article mentioned in the tweet, the last 18 engines are to be delivered in 2019.

Aren't we already not buying them per McCain's legislation a few years back? Seems like an easy thing to make noise about if there weren't any sales to begin with.
There was a loophole but basically no we aren't ordering anymore.
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Six more were ordered for delivery in 2020 -- just a couple weeks ago.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/08/russian-embassy-trolls-us-launch-industry-after-new-rocket-engine-sale/
« Last Edit: 08/10/2018 11:41 AM by AncientU »
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Re: RD-180 possible sales ban
« Reply #5 on: 08/10/2018 03:07 PM »
Here's another article...
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NASA Reveals How It Would Stay Afloat Without Delivery of Russian Rocket Engines
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Earlier this year, it was reported that the RD-180s would continue to be used until at least 2024, and possibly until 2028. Last month, Energomash announced that a contract had been signed on the delivery of more RD-180s to the US later this year.
https://sputniknews.com/world/201808101067094159-nasa-rd180-engine-status/
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