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Should SpaceX boosters get names printed on them?

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SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« on: 08/08/2018 09:12 pm »
Now that we have a block 5 stage that will possibly be launching 10+ times and maybe up to 100 times, there should be a better name than "Falcon 9 B1046.2" or "Falcon 9 B1046.3".

SpaceX needs to start giving these rockets a name and doing the champagne bottle as it rolls out of the factory.

Christening the rocket and name it, "Daedalus" or something like that.
We should be able to refer to a rocket by a more common name.

"Oh yeah, Daedalus is launching again this weekend !!!"

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #2 on: 08/08/2018 11:30 pm »
Musk likes to compare his rockets to airliners, and while many of them have names, it's not normally their primary identifier as it is with oceangoing ships.


It would be nice, though.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #3 on: 08/09/2018 12:18 am »
Yes! I fully agree!!
All Block 5ís should definitely have names...

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #4 on: 08/09/2018 01:58 am »
But we need to leave the good names for BFS...

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #5 on: 08/09/2018 02:11 am »
But we need to leave the good names for BFS...

Ships names get reused all the time.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #6 on: 08/09/2018 03:28 am »
Will remind folks we are using the Golden Rule for the naming of SpaceX vehicles.

The Golden Rule is "Those who have the most Gold makes the Rules".

In the case of SpaceX it is the one with the most voting shares. Which I reckon is the SX CTO. He gets to name the SpaceX vehicles as he pleases.

Looking forward to the "Dr Evil" as the second manned BFS planting on Mars.  ;D


edit: typo
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #7 on: 08/09/2018 07:27 am »

I favour sticking with serial numbers for booster and cargo BFSs. That's nice and utilitarian.  Keep the names for the spaceships carrying people. 

Assuming that BFS's aren't an adaptive shell reconfigurable for cargo/chompers/passenger modules.  I don't think that's at all likely, but the Thunderbirds watching kid in me would really love that.


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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #8 on: 08/09/2018 07:55 am »
You could have some great names mixing it up from Iain M. Banks culture ship names to Thom York lyrics. I think everyone is now familiar with culture ship names, so here are some lyrics.

"Low flying panic attack" - Burn The Witch - A Moon Shaped Pool (2016)

"I wish I was special" - Creep - Pablo Honey (1993)

"Accidents waiting to happen." There, There - Hail To The Thief (2003)

"Just like the last one" My Iron Lung - The Bends (1994)

OK bad idea, I now want to crawl back to bed and not get up again :( If anyone knows another pop culture reference that feels similar but is happy, post away!




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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #9 on: 08/09/2018 03:15 pm »
nah, no need for them.  Boosters are too utilitarian to be named.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #10 on: 08/09/2018 04:11 pm »
nah, no need for them.  Boosters are too utilitarian to be named.

Even as I agree with Jim on this issue.

As per stated "The Golden Rule" up thread. The naming of Boosters is up to the SX CTO's whims.  :)

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #11 on: 08/09/2018 04:18 pm »
SpaceX hasn't even bothered to put an easily visible core number on the Block 5.

Safe to say that naming them is not on their list of things to do.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #12 on: 08/09/2018 09:06 pm »
Musk likes to compare his rockets to airliners, and while many of them have names, it's not normally their primary identifier as it is with oceangoing ships.


It would be nice, though.

Then why not follow commercial aviation custom?
A prominent registration / tail number, smaller script for the sentimental name and a call sign related to the mission.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #13 on: 08/10/2018 02:27 am »
Musk likes to compare his rockets to airliners, and while many of them have names, it's not normally their primary identifier as it is with oceangoing ships.


It would be nice, though.

Then why not follow commercial aviation custom?
A prominent registration / tail number, smaller script for the sentimental name and a call sign related to the mission.

Because the payload name is the call of the mission

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #14 on: 08/10/2018 06:08 am »
SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #15 on: 08/10/2018 01:31 pm »
Musk likes to compare his rockets to airliners, and while many of them have names, it's not normally their primary identifier as it is with oceangoing ships.


It would be nice, though.

Then why not follow commercial aviation custom?
A prominent registration / tail number, smaller script for the sentimental name and a call sign related to the mission.

Because the payload name is the call of the mission
That's not inconsistent at all. Commercial airliners identify as their flight number (i.e. the payload.. .self loading freight for the most part), not tail number, to ATC, if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #16 on: 08/10/2018 02:03 pm »
I favour sticking with serial numbers for booster and cargo BFSs. That's nice and utilitarian.  Keep the names for the spaceships carrying people. 
I can see the rationale for not naming cargo ships, but my vote on this non-binding referendum is that I'd like to see something in between, serial numbers for boosters but names for ships, even cargo ships. I don't really see giving formal names to boosters.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #17 on: 08/10/2018 02:17 pm »
I'm fine with the numbers for the boosters.

We'll have Dragon 2's to name soon enough.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #18 on: 08/10/2018 02:20 pm »
Musk likes to compare his rockets to airliners, and while many of them have names, it's not normally their primary identifier as it is with oceangoing ships.


It would be nice, though.

Then why not follow commercial aviation custom?
A prominent registration / tail number, smaller script for the sentimental name and a call sign related to the mission.

Because the payload name is the call of the mission
That's not inconsistent at all. Commercial airliners identify as their flight number (i.e. the payload.. .self loading freight for the most part), not tail number, to ATC, if I'm not mistaken.
Not only that, they sometimes have real names, they just don't identify with them.

Also, while the interest is in the mission, tug boats for example definitely have real names.

The issue here is not utilitarianism...  It's that likely cores will have a limited lifetime, when compared with airplanes.

"Dancing Gladys" may be fine for a 50 year old B17, but (even) if you're only going to fly a core 10-20 times and then get dunk it in the ocean, then you'd rather it be naneless...

But as folks above said...  SpaceX rockets, SpaceX rules.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #19 on: 08/10/2018 02:25 pm »
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Then why not follow commercial aviation custom?
A prominent registration / tail number, smaller script for the sentimental name and a call sign related to the mission.
The block 5 core numbers are already so small that they could start labeling them with a sentimental name in a smaller script and no one would notice!

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #20 on: 08/10/2018 02:30 pm »
I'm happy with numbers, even though we can hardly see them.  I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now, for the next launch, versus B1049 for the first stage.  Comparing the two numbers tells a lot about Falcon 9.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #21 on: 08/10/2018 02:35 pm »
I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now

Nitpicking, but isn't the term "booster" typically only used for first stages? I'd imagine the 2nd stage naming scheme might be more like S2062 or something like that.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #22 on: 08/10/2018 03:21 pm »
I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now

Nitpicking, but isn't the term "booster" typically only used for first stages? I'd imagine the 2nd stage naming scheme might be more like S2062 or something like that.

Well, F9S2 is bigger than some first stages (Delta II's for example)....

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #23 on: 08/10/2018 03:27 pm »
I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now

Nitpicking, but isn't the term "booster" typically only used for first stages? I'd imagine the 2nd stage naming scheme might be more like S2062 or something like that.

Well, F9S2 is bigger than some first stages (Delta II's for example)....

Also Electron, Vega, Minotaur, Pegasus...

But the point is that "B" indicates booster, and it's not a booster so they probably don't use "B".

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #24 on: 08/10/2018 03:36 pm »

SpaceX needs to start giving these rockets a name and doing the champagne bottle as it rolls out of the factory.

Steady on now. Think "launch cost reductuion".

It's a bottle of the cheapest Prosecco (cheap bubbly) for B1046.3. And make it plastic in case it puts a dent in the side of the stage!

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #25 on: 08/10/2018 03:53 pm »
I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now

Nitpicking, but isn't the term "booster" typically only used for first stages? I'd imagine the 2nd stage naming scheme might be more like S2062 or something like that.
Good point.  I don't recall ever seeing anything official on the precursor letter code, if one exists.  I've only seen a few discussions about the number itself.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #26 on: 08/10/2018 03:56 pm »
Bold numbers below the SpaceX logo with "previous mission markings" would be fine enough for me...
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #27 on: 08/10/2018 04:02 pm »
Bold numbers below the SpaceX logo with "previous mission markings" would be fine enough for me...
Something like this?

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #28 on: 08/10/2018 04:22 pm »
I'm happy with numbers, even though we can hardly see them.  I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now, for the next launch, versus B1049 for the first stage.  Comparing the two numbers tells a lot about Falcon 9.

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No reason you can't do both, like the Navy naming schemes i.e. SSN-776 Hawaii, CVN-72 Abraham Lincoln, etc.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #29 on: 08/10/2018 04:25 pm »
Bold numbers below the SpaceX logo with "previous mission markings" would be fine enough for me...

You could do satellite silhouettes painted on the booster like old fighter planes used to do with kills/mission.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #30 on: 08/10/2018 04:35 pm »
I'm happy with numbers, even though we can hardly see them.  I would be even happier if the second stages sported numbers!  We must be up to B2062 or higher by now, for the next launch, versus B1049 for the first stage.  Comparing the two numbers tells a lot about Falcon 9.

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What does it tell about F9 other than the fact that S1 is reused and S2 isn't?

We already have a numbering system that even tells us how often it gets reused...

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #31 on: 08/10/2018 04:39 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #32 on: 08/10/2018 05:14 pm »
Names are for ships that carry people. Boosters don't get names.

And to be consistent, for BFR, I would give a name to the BFS, but not the booster.

Give it a couple years, no one will care which booster it is on any given mission.  Did anyone care during shuttle missions which solid booster was which and how many times it had flown?

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #33 on: 08/10/2018 05:53 pm »
Give it a couple years, no one will care which booster it is on any given mission.  Did anyone care during shuttle missions which solid booster was which and how many times it had flown?
Solid boosters were broken down into segments and remixed, so they weren't reflown in one piece.

That all said, naming boosters seems a stretch.  A BFS?  Yes, definitely.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #34 on: 08/10/2018 06:48 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?
A sillouette of the satellite with an X over it.

Sort of like "for when your best is just not good enough"

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #35 on: 08/10/2018 06:52 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?
A sillouette of the satellite with an X over it.

Sort of like "for when your best is just not good enough"

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I'd prefer a small droneship outline for a sea landing, and a LZ-1 logo for a land landing.

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« Reply #36 on: 08/10/2018 07:03 pm »
No names needed but I would like to see the # a bit bigger.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #37 on: 08/10/2018 09:41 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?
A sillouette of the satellite with an X over it.

Sort of like "for when your best is just not good enough"

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I'd prefer a small droneship outline for a sea landing, and a LZ-1 logo for a land landing.
Sure, but then where's the bragging rights of "I lofted XXX"?

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #38 on: 08/10/2018 09:53 pm »
Names are for ships that carry people. Boosters don't get names.

And to be consistent, for BFR, I would give a name to the BFS, but not the booster.

Give it a couple years, no one will care which booster it is on any given mission.  Did anyone care during shuttle missions which solid booster was which and how many times it had flown?

Autonomous spaceport drone ships get names.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #39 on: 08/10/2018 09:57 pm »
Bold numbers below the SpaceX logo with "previous mission markings" would be fine enough for me...

You could do satellite silhouettes painted on the booster like old fighter planes used to do with kills/mission.



This is my preferred method.  A simple satellite or Dragon.  That'd be pretty cool to see add up.
Names are for ships that carry people. Boosters don't get names.

And to be consistent, for BFR, I would give a name to the BFS, but not the booster.

Give it a couple years, no one will care which booster it is on any given mission.  Did anyone care during shuttle missions which solid booster was which and how many times it had flown?

I like this, names for things with humans.

I do like the idea of a silhouette of what was launched on the booster.  It'd be pretty cool to see that add up.
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #40 on: 08/10/2018 11:02 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #41 on: 08/11/2018 06:14 am »
Bold numbers below the SpaceX logo with "previous mission markings" would be fine enough for me...

You could do satellite silhouettes painted on the booster like old fighter planes used to do with kills/mission.



They already do logo art for every launch for the mission patch. Do a sticker version. Plenty of room for a hundred mission stickers. It also promotes another collectable category of merch.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #42 on: 08/11/2018 06:26 am »
Naming is a way of noting the transition to serious reusability with Block 5 thatís the foundation of SpaceX strategic plan to build a fleet and shut down production of F9 so it can shift to BFR. This is a limited class that wonít be built again.

Coverage of flights already notes previous missions a booster has flown and it seems natural.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #43 on: 08/11/2018 09:00 am »
"B1051" is fine with me.

No names for the boosters pls.
"SpaceX did not recover the booster this time" is a lot better than "Daedalus crashed into the ocean and drowned."


Names should be reserved for the BFS in the manned or man-able version.
"Tanker 1" is good enough for tankers.
Same for pure freighters if they will ever be built.#

And yes to Crew Dragons with names.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #44 on: 08/11/2018 12:19 pm »
They should name crew and cargo Dragons as well as every BFS. A bit late for D1, since all the ones that will fly have already flown. If disposable Cygnus and ATVs are named, Dragons ought to be.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #45 on: 08/11/2018 02:48 pm »
Autonomous spaceport drone ships get names.

So do oil platforms, and air ports and buildings.
The ASDS is a unique case. Typically barges donít get names, just the tug.

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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #46 on: 08/11/2018 03:08 pm »
So what is put on a booster that get recovered but the upper stage fails?
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #47 on: 08/11/2018 03:26 pm »
To me mission markings would follow the same concept as "Balls 8" (008) B-52 (manned/unmanned) for example: X-15, X-24A/B, X-43, as well as other missions including those that resulted in injuries (Bruce Peterson) and a fatality for Mike Adams...
http://www.air-and-space.com/nb-523.htm
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Re: SpaceX should give REAL names to 1st stages now
« Reply #48 on: 08/12/2018 05:05 am »
Reused dragons are already getting those mission stamps with an ISS silhouette by the logo for every previous visit. Agreed they should do that for the boosters.

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