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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #920 on: 11/11/2019 10:28 pm »
SpaceX doesn't name sub-contractors... heck, they barely even name their own products... or engineers  ;)

It's not in the DNA.

So when I see them doing it - when I see Elon doing it - I expect there's a political aspect behind it.

Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #921 on: 11/12/2019 03:01 am »
SpaceX doesn't name sub-contractors... heck, they barely even name their own products... or engineers  ;)

It's not in the DNA.

So when I see them doing it - when I see Elon doing it - I expect there's a political aspect behind it.

At the USAF pitch day he mentioned how happy they were with outsourcing the Falcon landing legs to the race car company.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #922 on: 11/12/2019 04:36 am »

At the USAF pitch day he mentioned how happy they were with outsourcing the Falcon landing legs to the race car company.

All American Racers, founded by Dan Gurney.

One of the most winning manufacturers of race cars in the 1960s through 1990s.  They pioneered a ton of racing technologies, built a car with a Toyota Engine so advanced that the Toyota Factory team asked them not to come to LeMans and the owner also "invented" the tradition of spraying Champagne on the Podium.

In the racing world, they're revered

http://allamericanracers.com/all-american-racers-history/
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #923 on: 11/12/2019 05:37 pm »
https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1194318382264455169

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A static fire of Crew Dragon's eight SuperDraco engines is now scheduled for tomorrow during daylight hours from SpaceX's test stand near Landing Zone 1 at Cape Canaveral. #SpaceX

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #924 on: 11/13/2019 07:16 pm »
https://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/status/1194710233593065472

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SpaceX appears to have test-fired thrusters on its Crew Dragon capsule at Cape Canaveral, a major test that paves the way for a high-altitude launch abort test as soon as mid-December. EARLIER STORY: spaceflightnow.com/2019/10/31/boe…
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #925 on: 11/13/2019 07:26 pm »
We've been keeping an ear to the ground all day, but not a running commentary as it was sensitive.

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1194712099110473728

Hope for good news from SpaceX soon (certainly appears to be positive).
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #926 on: 11/13/2019 07:57 pm »
https://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/status/1194720391379456000

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Here’s a video of the exhaust plume from the Crew Dragon static fire test as seen from a nearby viewing site at Cape Canaveral: spaceflightnow.com/2019/11/13/vid…

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #927 on: 11/13/2019 09:34 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1194745251480498177

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Full duration static fire test of Crew Dragon’s launch escape system complete – SpaceX and NASA teams are now reviewing test data and working toward an in-flight demonstration of Crew Dragon’s launch escape capabilities
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #929 on: 11/13/2019 10:18 pm »
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Today, SpaceX completed a series of static fire engine tests of the Crew Dragon spacecraft in advance of an in-flight launch escape demonstration, known as the In-Flight Abort Test.

The engine tests, conducted near SpaceX’s Landing Zone 1 on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida, began with two burns for a duration of one-second each for two of Crew Dragon’s 16 Draco thrusters. The Draco thrusters are used for on-orbit maneuvering and attitude control, and would also be used for re-orientation during certain in-flight launch escapes. Following these initial Draco thruster burns, the team completed a full-duration firing for approximately nine seconds of Crew Dragon’s eight SuperDraco engines. The SuperDraco engines are designed to accelerate Dragon away from the F9 launch vehicle in the event of an emergency after liftoff.

In quick succession, immediately after the SuperDracos shut down, two Dracos thrusters fired and all eight SuperDraco flaps closed, mimicking the sequence required to reorient the spacecraft in-flight to a parachute deploy attitude and close the flaps prior to reentry. The full sequence, from SuperDraco startup to flap closure, spanned approximately 70 seconds.

In April, during a similar set of engine tests, the spacecraft experienced an anomaly which led to an explosion and loss of the vehicle. In the following months, an Anomaly Investigation Team made up of SpaceX and NASA personnel determined that a slug of liquid propellant in the high-flow helium pressurization system unexpectedly caused a titanium ignition event resulting in an explosion. Based on that investigation’s findings and months of testing, SpaceX redesigned components of the system to eliminate the possibility of slugs entering the high-flow pressurization system.

Today’s tests will help validate the launch escape system ahead of Crew Dragon’s in-flight abort demonstration planned as part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program. SpaceX and NASA will now review the data from today’s test, perform detailed hardware inspections, and establish a target launch date for the In-Flight Abort Test.

TIL that SuperDracos have "flaps" :)

https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/11/13/spacex-completes-crew-dragon-static-fire-tests/
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #930 on: 11/13/2019 10:39 pm »
Kinda hard to see, but I presume "flaps" refers to the heatshield covers on the SuperDracos.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #931 on: 11/14/2019 07:52 pm »
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasakennedy/49065385406/

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NASA astronauts Doug Hurley, left, and Bob Behnken, seated at consoles inside SpaceX Mission Control in Hawthorne, California, monitor the Crew Dragon spacecraft static fire engine tests taking place at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida on Nov. 13, 2019. The tests will help validate the Crew Dragon’s launch escape system ahead of the upcoming in-flight abort demonstration as part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program. Behnken and Hurley will be the first astronauts to fly aboard Crew Dragon in SpaceX’s Demo-2 mission to the International Space Station. Photo credit: SpaceX

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Wish I could have been in Florida to see this in person! I won't miss the In-Flight Abort test! Congratulations to the @SpaceX and @NASA @Commercial_Crew team!

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #932 on: 11/14/2019 08:57 pm »
Kinda hard to see, but I presume "flaps" refers to the heatshield covers on the SuperDracos.

The flaps are very likely the cutouts below the engines themselves. The stuff already covering the nozzles is a water seal/plug that is ejected in the event of ignition, whereas the flaps seem to be a backup meant to seal the engines after ignition. I'm now almost certain that they exist to seal Crew Dragon against water intrusion, but only to prevent Dragon from sinking after a post-abort splashdown.

Pretty sure you can see one of the ejected plugs/seals/disks in the image SpaceX released.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #933 on: 11/15/2019 07:00 am »
Kinda hard to see, but I presume "flaps" refers to the heatshield covers on the SuperDracos.

The flaps are very likely the cutouts below the engines themselves. The stuff already covering the nozzles is a water seal/plug that is ejected in the event of ignition, whereas the flaps seem to be a backup meant to seal the engines after ignition. I'm now almost certain that they exist to seal Crew Dragon against water intrusion, but only to prevent Dragon from sinking after a post-abort splashdown.

Pretty sure you can see one of the ejected plugs/seals/disks in the image SpaceX released.

I do not agree entirely. The flaps are indeed there to prevent salt-water intrusion into the SuperDraco nozzle and combustion chamber. But that is because SuperDracos are expensive assets that SpaceX wishes to reuse.

The flaps are also there to stop residual hypergolics from venting  during post-splashdown crew recovery. wouldn't do at all for a crew to survive an abort only to be injured by toxious fumes when leaving the spacecraft.

What I have learned from what some SpaceX folks tell me is that those flaps are not there to prevent CrewDragon from sinking. You see, allowable amounts of seawater enters the space between the backshell panels and the pressure vessel, regardless of the SuperDracos being closed-over or not being closed-over. The multitude of valves in the SuperDraco system prevents any significant amounts of sea water from entering the SuperDraco plumbing. Let alone the fuel tanks.
Also: did the pad-abort Crew Dragon test article sink? No it didn't. And that one did NOT have those flaps.

What keeps Crew Dragon afloat after a post-abort splashdown is the huge buoyancy of the pressure vessel and helium-filled propellant tanks. Only a rupture of the pressure vessel or multiple of the propellant tanks would put Crew Dragon in danger of sinking.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #934 on: 11/15/2019 08:52 pm »
I am surprise that Spacex has still prove its parachute works.
CRS has almost 20 mission with no single parachute deployment failure.
If NASA would like to play fair, at least 5-10 Starliner cargo  launches to approve Boeing parachute functionality. Definitely after their fiasco with pad abort, suppose to be required to prove their safety.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #935 on: 11/15/2019 08:58 pm »
I am surprise that Spacex has still prove its parachute works.
CRS has almost 20 mission with no single parachute deployment failure.
If NASA would like to play fair, at least 5-10 Starliner cargo  launches to approve Boeing parachute functionality. Definitely after their fiasco with pad abort, suppose to be required to prove their safety.

The crew capsule is heavier and has a different chute design.  There have been parachute issues on CRS flights, they just didn't have any complete failures.  (The downmass allowed on CRS missions is actually set by the parachutes.)

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #936 on: 11/15/2019 09:00 pm »
I am surprise that Spacex has still prove its parachute works.
CRS has almost 20 mission with no single parachute deployment failure.
If NASA would like to play fair, at least 5-10 Starliner cargo  launches to approve Boeing parachute functionality. Definitely after their fiasco with pad abort, suppose to be required to prove their safety.

This doesn’t seem like the best place to discuss parachute issues...

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #937 on: 11/16/2019 02:14 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #938 on: 11/20/2019 02:55 pm »
Static fire slo-mo video

https://twitter.com/commercial_crew/status/1197173732034396160

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#ICYMI 🐉 Last week, @SpaceX completed a series of static fire engine tests of the #CrewDragon spacecraft.

The tests will help validate the launch escape system for the in-flight abort demonstration planned as part of @NASA's Commercial Crew Program.

💻: go.nasa.gov/2XjdMRq

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #939 on: 11/20/2019 04:06 pm »
I am surprise that Spacex has still prove its parachute works.
CRS has almost 20 mission with no single parachute deployment failure.
If NASA would like to play fair, at least 5-10 Starliner cargo  launches to approve Boeing parachute functionality. Definitely after their fiasco with pad abort, suppose to be required to prove their safety.

The crew capsule is heavier and has a different chute design.  There have been parachute issues on CRS flights, they just didn't have any complete failures.  (The downmass allowed on CRS missions is actually set by the parachutes.)

Propulsive landing would have been trickier than this? @NASA

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