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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #900 on: 11/03/2019 06:00 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1191067348914098176

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SpaceX team has completed 13 successful tests in a row of upgraded Mark 3 parachutes for Crew Dragon. Most recent test demonstrated the parachute system’s ability to land the spacecraft safely in the unlikely event that one of the four main parachutes fails.
« Last Edit: 11/03/2019 06:01 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #901 on: 11/04/2019 10:10 am »
So this isn't a test of a parachute failure.  It's a test of one of the four failing to *deploy* - it doesn't test the interaction of a failed parachute on the remaining three.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #902 on: 11/04/2019 10:25 am »
I believe they have cutters to release a parachute. 

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #903 on: 11/04/2019 10:40 am »
I think it is important to add this article with further comments from SpaceX. It basically says that from those 13 drop tests only that one was a drop test of the complete system (but simulating a failiure of one chute, obviously). The other 12 drop tests were of single parachute tests and some were not successful but that is helping on the Mk3 parachute final design so that's good. https://spacenews.com/spacex-trumpets-progress-on-commercial-crew-parachute-testing/

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #904 on: 11/04/2019 01:19 pm »
I think it is important to add this article with further comments from SpaceX. It basically says that from those 13 drop tests only that one was a drop test of the complete system (but simulating a failiure of one chute, obviously). The other 12 drop tests were of single parachute tests and some were not successful but that is helping on the Mk3 parachute final design so that's good. https://spacenews.com/spacex-trumpets-progress-on-commercial-crew-parachute-testing/

The article says there were two unsuccessful tests with high loading on development chutes, changes were made, then there were 12 successful single chute tests followed by the successful three chute test.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #905 on: 11/04/2019 09:20 pm »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1191475073758064640

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Great work by SpaceX Dragon team & Airborne! To be clear, we’ve only done 1 multi-parachute test of Mk3 design, so 9 more left to reach 10 successful tests in a row.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #906 on: 11/05/2019 05:08 pm »
https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1191067348914098176

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SpaceX team has completed 13 successful tests in a row of upgraded Mark 3 parachutes for Crew Dragon. Most recent test demonstrated the parachute system’s ability to land the spacecraft safely in the unlikely event that one of the four main parachutes fails.

Where and when did this test take place? Thanks.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #907 on: 11/06/2019 12:30 am »
Quote from: Elon Musk
Great work by SpaceX Dragon team & Airborne! To be clear, we’ve only done 1 multi-parachute test of Mk3 design, so 9 more left to reach 10 successful tests in a row.

I think it is incredibly interesting to see Elon correcting the SpaceX account and naming the supplier.

*cough*sub-contractor*cough*

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #909 on: 11/06/2019 02:55 pm »
*cough*sub-contractor*cough*
SpaceX has plenty of sub-contractors.  If you want to name them all, you're going to have a sore throat by the time you're done coughing.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #910 on: 11/07/2019 03:40 am »
SpaceX Crew Dragon : SpaceX achieves key milestone in safety testing of Crew Dragon parachutes


ENGINEERING TODAY
Nov 5, 2019

SpaceX is continuing to edge towards the next launch of its Crew Dragon spacecraft, with the vehicle's parachute system the latest critical component to be put through its paces.

SpaceX has experienced a couple of hiccups since docking an unmanned Crew Dragon capsule with the International Space Station back in March. Engine testing the following month then ended in a launchpad explosion, which follow-up investigations revealed to be the result of a leaky valve.

A perhaps less dramatic failure also came in April, as SpaceX continued testing the spacecraft's parachute system that will be responsible for bringing any astronauts aboard safely back down to Earth. This test run took place with one of the SpaceX Crew Dragon's four chutes disabled, to test its ability to land using just three in case of emergency.

Those three also failed to open properly, which sent SpaceX back to the drawing board to rethink the design. While the test wasn't successful, the data SpaceX gained throughout offered new insights on the structural margins and the ideal configuration, culminating in what the company calls its Mark 3 parachutes.

In this video Engineering Today will discuss SpaceX's upgraded Crew Dragon Mark 3 parachutes which breeze through 13 drop tests. SpaceX achieves a key milestone in safety testing of Crew Dragon spacecraft.

Let’s get started.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #911 on: 11/07/2019 05:25 pm »
*cough*sub-contractor*cough*
SpaceX has plenty of sub-contractors.  If you want to name them all, you're going to have a sore throat by the time you're done coughing.

I don’t think you understand QG’s point.
It is a well known practice of some organizations, like JPL, to mention vendors and subcontractors only when major, potentially fatal, problems arise.
However, as shocked as my friends would be to hear me say this, QG may have been TOO cynical.
IMO only
Musk did not name them until after a successful te-test.
It may even have been after the CST-100 pad abort test “success” which may have removed or reduced parachute performance as a discriminator.
(Is Boeing also using chutes from Airborne?)
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #912 on: 11/07/2019 06:34 pm »
(Is Boeing also using chutes from Airborne?)

Yes, for the most part. The reef line cutters are provided by a different supplier for SpaceX, but I don't know if the manufacturer of those for Boeing and Orion is Airborne or a third supplier.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #913 on: 11/07/2019 07:15 pm »
*cough*sub-contractor*cough*
SpaceX has plenty of sub-contractors.  If you want to name them all, you're going to have a sore throat by the time you're done coughing.

I don’t think you understand QG’s point.
It is a well known practice of some organizations, like JPL, to mention vendors and subcontractors only when major, potentially fatal, problems arise.
However, as shocked as my friends would be to hear me say this, QG may have been TOO cynical.
IMO only
Musk did not name them until after a successful te-test.
It may even have been after the CST-100 pad abort test “success” which may have removed or reduced parachute performance as a discriminator.
(Is Boeing also using chutes from Airborne?)

It's not the first time Elon Musk has mentioned Airborne - from a month ago, October 8th:

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We had to reallocate some resources to speed this up & received great support from Airborne, our parachute supplier. I was at their Irvine factory with the SpaceX team on Sat and Sun. We’re focusing on the advanced Mk3 chute, which provides highest safety factor for astronauts.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1181584415362707456

And also not the first time Airborne was mentioned by SpaceX. From 2010:

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The three main parachutes, designed and manufactured by Airborne Systems, are particularly large—each measuring 116 feet in diameter when fully deployed.

https://www.spacex.com/news/2013/02/09/dragon-drop-test

Also, yes, Orion and Starliner both use parachutes supplied by Airborne, but they are both somewhat different designs.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #914 on: 11/07/2019 07:20 pm »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1192509284816424960

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For those asking, NASA tells me it does not plan to livestream the Crew Dragon static fire "as it is part of the prep-work for the actual test," a spokesperson said.

"We will show the inflight abort test."

twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1192504408074051584

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SpaceX is now targeting Saturday November 9th for the Crew Dragon static fire near LZ-1 at Cape Canaveral. The test is expected during daylight hours.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #915 on: 11/07/2019 07:47 pm »
Has SpaceX said whether this static test will follow the same “script” as the failure test (a Draco firing series, followed by a single Super Draco firing)?

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #916 on: 11/08/2019 04:24 pm »
Has SpaceX said whether this static test will follow the same “script” as the failure test (a Draco firing series, followed by a single Super Draco firing)?

Presumably. It is supposed to be a standard part of pre-flight testing.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #917 on: 11/09/2019 03:06 am »
Whitelancer64:
You are obviously correct.
I misspoke
Here Musk mentions Airborne after a successful test.
The same is true about the previous mention.
It’s not the same thing as naming them after a failure to which they may or may not be a contributor.
I don’t think Musk was throwing shade on them.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #918 on: 11/11/2019 09:07 pm »
So did the test go ahead last weekend? Have been eagerly awaiting news of it

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #919 on: 11/11/2019 09:30 pm »
So did the test go ahead last weekend? Have been eagerly awaiting news of it

Not yet

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