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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1200 on: 03/28/2020 11:09 am »
The required fidelity should go along the lines of external shape and dimensions, structural integrity for the chutes attachment points, overall weight and weight distribution. I honestly don’t see a lot of difficulties in adapting one of the other ones to this purpose. 

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1201 on: 03/28/2020 06:11 pm »
Problem is there's not another computer laying around.....  I *hope* that these two corner tests aren't required for DM-2.  Not saying they don't need to be done in a timely manner, just that it's not on the critical path.  Latest NASA blog tends that way.

Nothing is absolutely required.
NASA is still evaluating whether or not Starliner can proceed to CFT, Boeing's equivalent of DM-2, without a successful OFT, their equivalent of DM-1.
NASA can waive any test they wish.
However, their latest post is a classical NASA non-committal press release.
Of course they are considering the impact of this test on their readiness to fly.
Could they not?
They can decide that successful tests elsewhere allow the acceptance of some very small amount of additional risk for this particular corner case, or other steps they can take to stay away from this corner case.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #1202 on: 03/28/2020 06:45 pm »
Not exactly.  There was at least a mockup used to present D2 to journalists and another used in rescue operations training.  I guess one of those could be adapted to carry on the task of chute testing.

The Parabolic article article says that they have an extra test article.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1203 on: 03/28/2020 06:55 pm »
The Parabolic article article says that they have an extra test article.

That would be good news, but I couldn't find that in the article.  I *did* see where they might do "bench testing" instead.  Interesting.....
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1204 on: 03/29/2020 03:18 am »
Not exactly.  There was at least a mockup used to present D2 to journalists and another used in rescue operations training.  I guess one of those could be adapted to carry on the task of chute testing.

The Parabolic article article says that they have an extra test article.

Are you sure it said that? I didn't see it, the article claims that SpaceX needs to build a new test article, or they may choose to conduct a "bench test" of the parachute, not sure what the latter means.


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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1205 on: 03/29/2020 10:28 am »
Not exactly.  There was at least a mockup used to present D2 to journalists and another used in rescue operations training.  I guess one of those could be adapted to carry on the task of chute testing.

The Parabolic article article says that they have an extra test article.

Are you sure it said that? I didn't see it, the article claims that SpaceX needs to build a new test article, or they may choose to conduct a "bench test" of the parachute, not sure what the latter means.
I think that means hooking the parachutes to a bench and throwing it out of the helicopter. Ingenious!
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1206 on: 03/29/2020 12:58 pm »
I think that means hooking the parachutes to a bench and throwing it out of the helicopter. Ingenious!

That would certainly fit the definition of a "corner" test. :D

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1207 on: 03/31/2020 06:23 pm »
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March 31, 2020

NASA, SpaceX Simulate Upcoming Crew Mission with Astronauts

Joint teams from NASA and SpaceX continue making progress on the first flight test with astronauts to the International Space Station by completing a series of mission simulations from launch to landing. The mission, known as Demo-2, is a close mirror of the company’s uncrewed flight test to station in March 2019, but this time with NASA astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley aboard the Crew Dragon spacecraft launching atop a Falcon 9 rocket as part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program (CCP).

Over the last several months, key members of flight control teams working from NASA’s Johnson and Kennedy Space Centers and SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California, simulated different phases of the upcoming mission while the Demo-2 astronaut crew practiced procedures from inside a realistic simulator of Crew Dragon.

“The simulations were a great opportunity to practice procedures and to coordinate decision-making for the mission management team, especially with respect to weather,” said Michael Hess, manager of Operations Integration for CCP. “Simulation supervisors do a great job at picking cases that really make the team think and discuss.”

Recent simulations saw teams execute timelines from hatch closure to undocking with the space station — as well as a free flight in preparation for re-entry and splashdown. In March, the control teams and crew ran through a simulated mission starting at prelaunch and continuing through ascent and eventual rendezvous with the station.

This recent sim makes the excitement all the more tangible, especially for the greater NASA team.

“What’s happening in commercial crew is a big deal,” Hess said. “It will be the first time to launch astronauts from U.S. soil since the end of the Space Shuttle Program in 2011, and it will be the first time since STS-1 that we will launch astronauts in a new spacecraft. This new spacecraft, Crew Dragon, was designed and built by SpaceX, not by NASA and traditional contractor partnerships — another first. Bob (Behnken) and Doug (Hurley) will definitely be earning their spacecraft test pilot wings with this mission. Also, the Space Station Program is really looking forward to another way to rotate crews to station to perform science and experiments to benefit all.”

As the countdown clock winds down, Crew Dragon is undergoing final testing and prelaunch processing in a SpaceX facility on nearby Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. All the activity is also kicking off “more simulations, final crew training and flight readiness reviews to ensure all of the mission systems and subsystems are ready for a crewed test flight,” Hess noted.

When Crew Dragon launches atop a Falcon 9 rocket with Behnken and Hurley strapped inside as early as mid-to-late May, it will herald a new era for human spaceflight, enabling greater access to low-Earth orbit and destinations beyond with the help of commercial partners.

The Demo-2 crew is proceeding with its scheduled training activities. Astronaut trainers, along with all NASA employees, are closely adhering to CDC recommendations on infection control for the coronavirus. As all NASA centers are currently operating in a mode that requires any non-mission-essential work to be done remotely, the number of employees in contact with the crew is limited.

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On Thursday, March 19 and Friday, March 20, SpaceX teams in Firing Room 4 at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida and the company's Mission Control in Hawthorne, California, along with NASA flight controllers in Mission Control Houston, executed a full simulation of launch and docking of the Crew Dragon spacecraft, with NASA astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley (front) participating in SpaceX's flight simulator.
Credits: SpaceX

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-spacex-simulate-upcoming-crew-mission-with-astronauts
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1208 on: 03/31/2020 11:02 pm »
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The mission, known as Demo-2, is a close mirror of the company’s uncrewed flight test to station in March 2019, but this time with NASA astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley aboard the Crew Dragon spacecraft..

Tea leaf reading would say that this shows NASA is leaning towards keeping DM-2 short and to two crew, despite the training for mission extensions and discussion of adding additional astronauts.
But we know how unreadable tea leaves are.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1209 on: 04/01/2020 12:59 am »
It's amazing how "no-new news" feels that. When a press release is about some kind of delay, even a small one, there are a ton of different comments, some even saying "NASA is dragging their feet". I wish people would also appreciate the fact that this mission launch date has been within the month of May for three months without a major delay to it the same way they criticize to death the delays and say it is all NASA's fault. If this trend keeps going a realistic date could be sometime in mid June or something like that. That is, of course, barring any major failiure or something like that.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1210 on: 04/03/2020 04:23 pm »
Don’t remember seeing these videos before

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1246106285122244609

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NASA and SpaceX did a full Demo-2 launch dress rehearsal with astronauts on Jan. 17 that gives an amazing inside look at Kennedy Space Center.

Credit: @NASA

twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1246108829709938690

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Astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley walking down the crew access arm to Crew Dragon, which was positioned on top of a Falcon 9 rocket before the inflight abort test.

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https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1246112135404556289

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After the checkup, Behnken and Hurley went back to their Tesla Model X rides and headed out.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1211 on: 04/03/2020 04:27 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1212 on: 04/03/2020 07:54 pm »
Either I had a completely different understanding of a "dry dress rehearsal", or there was some serious editing going on; they didn't even get into the capsule?
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1213 on: 04/03/2020 08:01 pm »
Either I had a completely different understanding of a "dry dress rehearsal", or there was some serious editing going on; they didn't even get into the capsule?

Well, the interior was stripped of basically everything but two seats I think and everything else was replaced by mass simulators. The rehearsal was up until capsule boarding. The reharsal we picked up a few weeks ago (?) when they did a complete run from boarding to a simulated splashdown with the simulator in Hawthorne and the controllers both at MCC-X and at Firing Room 4 at the KSC.

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« Reply #1214 on: 04/03/2020 09:49 pm »
that gives them only 1 month to finalize and clear Commercial Crew Certification based on DM-2 results. Although most data should be available beforehand while DM-2 is docked to ISS. Return and landing should hopefully not provide any new or unexpected data points.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1215 on: 04/12/2020 03:07 am »
Any word if Dragon 2 will be used for ISS flights originally planned for Starliner, now that Staliner is long delayed?  Can Space X accommodate additional flights in the next year or two?  Thx
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1216 on: 04/12/2020 03:13 am »
Any word if Dragon 2 will be used for ISS flights originally planned for Starliner, now that Staliner is long delayed?  Can Space X accommodate additional flights in the next year or two?  Thx

If only one of the companies is ready to fly then their capsules will be used exclusively until the other company is ready to fly.  Either company is supposed to be able to support more than one flight per year when they're in operation.  There should be two operational (six-month mission) flights per year.

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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1217 on: 04/12/2020 10:51 pm »
Any word if Dragon 2 will be used for ISS flights originally planned for Starliner, now that Staliner is long delayed?  Can Space X accommodate additional flights in the next year or two?  Thx

If only one of the companies is ready to fly then their capsules will be used exclusively until the other company is ready to fly.  Either company is supposed to be able to support more than one flight per year when they're in operation.  There should be two operational (six-month mission) flights per year.

I assume this is the case, but to confirm via the experts here:

Since each crew is currently trained on either Starliner or D2, I assume those who would fly on Starliner would also have to wait their turn to take the ride they're assigned to?  Are there plans to cross-train on both spacecraft or just luck of the draw?

Edit: Just occurred to me that the flight suits are custom-tailored, so I may have answered my own question...
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1218 on: 04/13/2020 01:57 am »
Which brings to mind another question:  For D2 missions with 4+ crew, can any of them sleep in the spacecraft? There are only so many sleep stations in the ISS.
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Re: SpaceX Dragon 2 Updates and Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1219 on: 04/13/2020 07:08 am »
Which brings to mind another question:  For D2 missions with 4+ crew, can any of them sleep in the spacecraft? There are only so many sleep stations in the ISS.

USOS has 4 crew bunks with direct expedation hangovers. With the expeditions running at 3 members till Comerical Crew is operational, they have plenty of bunks. For the short durations test crew missions the guys and gal can bunk in a laboratory or they will schedule it were they will not meet. Currently they are assessing if DM-2 will be a longer mission.

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