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Offline A_M_Swallow

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Re: Lunar Gateway Debate
« Reply #220 on: 03/11/2019 03:53 am »
Gateway lunar outpost? OK. Are we going to refer to it as Glo?

At night will it Glo in the dark?  :P

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Re: Lunar Gateway Debate
« Reply #221 on: 03/14/2019 12:04 am »
It seems that the Gateway is in fact an old idea, but only for Lunar surface access. After watching the MSFC history video of Dr. Margrit von Braun (Werner von Braun's daughter) showing a slide of the August 1969 Mars mission, I found this set of slides given by Werner von Braun in August 1969 to the Space Task Group.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/19690804_manned_mars_landing_presentation_to_the_space_task_group_by_dr._wernher_von_braun.pdf

The Mars mission was part of the "Integrated Space Program" which included the following elements:

Saturn V
Space Shuttle
SSM (Space Station Module?, 6.6 m diameter)
Tug (6.6 m diameter)
Nuclear Shuttle (10 m diameter)
Mars Excursion Module (MEM, 10 m diameter)

The SSM is basically an advanced version of Skylab, built to the same dimensions. The SSMs (carrying 6 crew each) would be used in an Earth orbit space station (12 crew), Earth orbit space base (100 crew), geosynchronous orbit space station (25 crew), Lunar orbit station (6 to 25 crew), Lunar surface base (6 to 48 crew), Mars mission module (6 crew), Mars orbit space station (24 crew) and Mars surface base (12 to 48 crew).

In the first slide, after the Apollo extended missions, the plan was to first build a Lunar orbit station with 6 crew using one SSM. Presumably the Tug would be used for Lunar surface access. Sound familiar to anyone? It seems that these types of plans are embedded in NASA's DNA! Just a matter of ticking the boxes one by one.
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Re: Lunar Gateway Debate
« Reply #222 on: 03/14/2019 01:33 am »
The grand plans before computers were powerful enough to replace crew. Seemed like a good idea at the time, except for the cost.

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Re: Lunar Gateway Debate
« Reply #223 on: 03/14/2019 04:38 pm »
Gateway lunar outpost? OK. Are we going to refer to it as Glo?

At night will it Glo in the dark?  :P

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Day-glo !

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