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New Shepard - Flight 9 - July 18, 2018
« on: 06/26/2018 06:35 AM »
Time for a Flight 9 thread! Flight 9 STA was just granted, NET July 1st.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=85247

End date on the STA is Dec 1st.
« Last Edit: 07/18/2018 04:33 PM by Galactic Penguin SST »

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #1 on: 06/28/2018 11:57 PM »
For context in the new thread, this recent article published by SpaceNews with company statements is quite relevant:

Blue Origin plans to start selling suborbital spaceflight tickets next year

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Blue Origin expects to start flying people on its New Shepard suborbital vehicle “soon” and start selling tickets for commercial flights next year, a company executive said June 19.

Speaking at the Amazon Web Services Public Sector Summit here, as the keynote of a half-day track on earth and space applications, Blue Origin Senior Vice President Rob Meyerson offered a few updates on the development of the company’s suborbital vehicle.

“We plan to start flying our first test passengers soon,” he said after showing a video of a previous New Shepard flight at the company’s West Texas test site. All of the New Shepard flights to date have been without people on board, but the company has said in the past it would fly its personnel on the vehicle in later tests.

http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-plans-to-start-selling-suborbital-spaceflight-tickets-next-year/
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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #2 on: 06/29/2018 01:16 AM »
Is that same drawn out "soon" ULA use with their Vulcan engine selection or dictionary version.
« Last Edit: 06/29/2018 01:16 AM by TrevorMonty »

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #3 on: 06/29/2018 01:48 AM »
You've been in these forums a long time, Trevor, and you know exactly what Blue means by the limited stuff that they (only occasionally) put out to the press.    ???

They don't give statements to the general public in engineering terms that include probability distributions, no matter how much the geeks and engineers who frequent these forum pages (myself included) might like it.

It means Blue has a long window in which they might fly when they are ready; they are close to ready; they have a launch license.  They'll fly when a large set of series and parallel events in their system all come together.  They ain't gonna parse it any more than that for you.
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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #4 on: 06/29/2018 03:11 AM »
Their FCC paperwork for Flight 10 says NET September, so they apparently intend to fly at least a couple more times this year.

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #5 on: 07/04/2018 12:50 AM »
Their FCC paperwork for Flight 10 says NET September, so they apparently intend to fly at least a couple more times this year.

I'm confused. Did you mean to say FCC paperwork?  I haven't been able to find that date, just July 1.

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 1, 2018
« Reply #6 on: 07/17/2018 12:24 PM »
Launch planned for tomorrow, July 18 per @blueorigin on Twitter.

"Ready for lift off! New Shepard is gearing up for its ninth mission. We’ll be doing a high altitude escape motor test – pushing the rocket to its limits. Launch is tomorrow. Details on live webcast to come."

Source: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1019190558936436737

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #7 on: 07/17/2018 12:31 PM »
Launch planned for tomorrow, July 18 per @blueorigin on Twitter.

"Ready for lift off! New Shepard is gearing up for its ninth mission. We’ll be doing a high altitude escape motor test – pushing the rocket to its limits. Launch is tomorrow. Details on live webcast to come."

Source: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1019190558936436737

Image from the tweet
« Last Edit: 07/17/2018 12:32 PM by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #8 on: 07/17/2018 01:20 PM »
Launch planned for tomorrow, July 18 per @blueorigin on Twitter.

"Ready for lift off! New Shepard is gearing up for its ninth mission. We’ll be doing a high altitude escape motor test – pushing the rocket to its limits. Launch is tomorrow. Details on live webcast to come."

Source: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1019190558936436737

I assume this means an abort test in the terminal part of the powered ascent phase, to complement the data during Max-Q of the previous Flight 6 in-flight abort, right?
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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #9 on: 07/17/2018 01:25 PM »
Launch planned for tomorrow, July 18 per @blueorigin on Twitter.

"Ready for lift off! New Shepard is gearing up for its ninth mission. We’ll be doing a high altitude escape motor test – pushing the rocket to its limits. Launch is tomorrow. Details on live webcast to come."

Source: https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1019190558936436737

I assume this means an abort test in the terminal part of the powered ascent phase, to complement the data during Max-Q of the previous Flight 6 in-flight abort, right?
Anyone want to guess what kind of altitude they might be able to reach after the abort motor fires?

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #10 on: 07/17/2018 02:54 PM »
I assume this means an abort test in the terminal part of the powered ascent phase, to complement the data during Max-Q of the previous Flight 6 in-flight abort, right?
Anyone want to guess what kind of altitude they might be able to reach after the abort motor fires?

Considering 3600 kg / 3.7 m diameter for the capsule, with some guidance from the Max-Q abort video, I get a thrust of ~28 tonne-force for the abort motor. It is quoted as 31.5 tonne-force in SpaceFlight101, but I'm not sure if it's just another estimate. Let's call it a round 30 tonne-force, that is, it provides an acceleration of ~8.3 m/s^2.

Considering an abort at the point of MECO at around 56 km altitude, and no measurable drag there, the motor would add about 17 m/s to the capsule's nominal speed at MECO of ~960 m/s, or about 1.5% more speed. It would travel a few km more to apogee, maybe reach 105 km.
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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #11 on: 07/17/2018 02:57 PM »
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NOTAM
Issue Date :    July 17, 2018 at 1256 UTC
Location :    VAN HORN, Texas near SALT FLAT VORTAC (SFL)
Beginning Date and Time :    July 18, 2018 UTC 1300-1900 Daily
Ending Date and Time :    July 21, 2018 UTC
Reason for NOTAM :    TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR ROCKET LAUNCH AND RECOVERY PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91
Type :    Space Operations
Replaced NOTAM(s) :    N/A
Pilots May Contact :    ALBUQUERQUE (ZAB) ARTCC, 505-856-4500

Affected Area(s)    Top
Airspace Definition:
      Center:    On the SALT FLAT VORTAC (SFL) 123 degree radial at 27 nautical miles. (Latitude: 31º25'35"N, Longitude: 104º42'36"W)
      Radius:    19.5 nautical miles
      Altitude:    From the surface up to Unlimited
Effective Date(s):
      In UTC:
      1300 to 1900 UTC Daily starting July 18 and ending July 21.

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #12 on: 07/17/2018 07:38 PM »
They have already done a max Q Abort.
This sounds like they are going to fire the abort motor after separation.
To give the capsule maximum height.

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #14 on: 07/17/2018 10:32 PM »
Email from Blue Origin to subscribers:

"Hi There!

New Shepard will fly for the ninth time tomorrow, July 18, 2018. We’ll be doing a high altitude escape motor test – pushing the rocket to its limits.
 
Current launch target is 9:00 am CT / 14:00 UTC, you can monitor twitter for launch updates. The live webcast will be available on BlueOrigin.com and begins at T-20 minutes prior to launch.

We also have payloads on board, click here to learn more about the Mission 9 manifest.

Excited to see you all on launch day.

- Gradatim Ferociter!"

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #15 on: 07/18/2018 05:02 AM »
And here's the payload information page mentioned in that email:

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/news/payload-manifest-on-mission-9

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
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DYK tomorrows @blueorigin launch includes small personal payloads from employees? Godspeed, lil #LEGO astronaut...and #SpaceThyme 👩‍🚀🌱 #M9 #NewShepard @LEGO_Group Payload manifest: blueorigin.com/news/news/payl…

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #17 on: 07/18/2018 08:01 AM »
Blue Origin
‏Verified account @blueorigin
11 hours ago

Mannequin Skywalker is on board for Mission 9. He shares the capsule with science and research payloads from commercial companies, universities and space agencies. Check out the full payload manifest here: https://www.blueorigin.com/news/news/payload-manifest-on-mission-9

Schmitt Space Communicator Xperimental (SC1-x)
GAGa (Granular Anisotropic Gases)
Suborbital Flight Experiment Monitor-2 (SFEM-2)
Condensed Droplet Experiment for NASA in Sub-Orbital Spaceflight (ConDENSS)
APL Electromagnetic Field Experiment
Vibration Isolation Platform Data Logger
mu Space-1
Blue Origin “Fly My Stuff”
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: New Shepard - Flight 9 - NET July 18, 2018
« Reply #18 on: 07/18/2018 08:35 AM »
Note that of those 7 disclosed payloads, 3 have flown before (SC1-x on Mission 8, SFEM-2 on Mission 8, and the APL payload on Missions 6 and 7).

First, if that's correct, then the APL payload flew before commercial payloads services were advertised as having started (that was Mission 7).

Also, as Blue's payload page says, "Our frequent flight schedule will allow you to launch your experiment multiple times to iterate on findings, improve statistics, or rapidly collect data."


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