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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #300 on: 07/05/2018 04:16 AM »
As can be seen in the aerial photos, Los Angeles harbor is a very busy, crowded place.  (My sister used to live on the hill in San Pedro and we could watch all the comings and goings from her living room window.)   They can't test the engines anywhere around there.   I doubt they would haul the finished rockets all the way to Stennis for testing, or anywhere away from the water.   But a barge test also requires tankage for propellants, some of which require active cooling etc.  So this will be interesting.

There will be no BFR testing in the LA environs.

The finished boosters are almost certainly going to go to one of Boca Chica, Stennis, or the Cape for a static fire before being put into service.

Will the "finished" boosters even be whole? For example, will they necessarily have the engines installed? Engines are easy to ship by road or rail and crew at the destination should have the needed skills and tools to install them. Not to mention that the environment over the road is much more benign than the salt air at sea. I am assuming that the booster will be shipped on deck, not within the hold. Will the booster even fit through the ship's hatch and within the hold?

Maybe if they borrow the SLS transport ship.

I guess they could use a barge, load the booster then install a "Sprung" structure over it. Elon seems to like tents! Of course, they could just use a small floating dry-dock as a transport ship.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #301 on: 07/05/2018 04:57 AM »
IMO, the Big Falcon Ships will be shipped thru the Panama Canal to Boca, sans engines.
The engines will be shipped by truck to McGregor for testing and then on down south to be installed in the BFS's. After assembly the completed BFS's will be test fired per Spacex protocol prior to test launches.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #302 on: 07/05/2018 05:07 AM »
Sounds good to me.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #303 on: 07/05/2018 10:18 AM »
If the BFS mandrels are anything to go by, the finished BFS will just magically appear one day at Boca Chica. :)

The BFS design needs to be sea weather proof for their P2P plans, so there's some scope for uncovered transport (but I think they'll cover it).
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #304 on: 07/05/2018 04:15 PM »
IMO, the Big Falcon Ships will be shipped thru the Panama Canal to Boca, sans engines.
The engines will be shipped by truck to McGregor for testing and then on down south to be installed in the BFS's. After assembly the completed BFS's will be test fired per Spacex protocol prior to test launches.

I think they'll do like the Falcon's.  Send the engines for test then install in Cali.  That way the designers and builders can learn first hand.

We'll know in a couple of years.

As for ships, the SpaceX navy is getting pretty large.  No reason to stop now, add or lease another one.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #305 on: 07/06/2018 03:13 AM »
A Fan Site video on how might the BFR be transported.

How will SpaceX transport the BFR?


Primal Space
Published on Jul 4, 2018
With the BFR rocket set to be the largest and most powerful rocket ever built, it will take an enormous effort to transport it from the factory to the launch site. This video covers every possible method that could be used to transport the rocket.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGRqhgwpGc8?t=001

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #306 on: 07/06/2018 03:17 AM »
 They're in the engineering stage of for the new road from the port to the Boca Chica highway right now. I hope somebody from SpaceX is talking to them.


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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #308 on: 10/04/2018 04:47 PM »
That is not a fuselage. It's just the previously seen jig, with all the inner plates added that were seen in the 'Dear Moon' unveil event press photos.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #309 on: 10/04/2018 06:29 PM »

The dome now has a blanket.  Wonder if that's part of their curing process.  It just had what looked like vacuum bag on the last 'spy shots'.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #310 on: 10/08/2018 10:59 PM »
Will cross post here:

Do there seems to be a new white object at the temporary tent at the Port of Los Angeles that appeared between June 13-15th, you can see it when you compare Planet Satellite imagery here:

https://goo.gl/iwf2xm

Updated image from a high res skysat confirms a new white tarp/structure of some kind:

https://bit.ly/2K0R8pO
Smaller white tent structure is still there.
« Last Edit: 10/12/2018 07:45 AM by Nydoc »

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #311 on: 10/08/2018 11:39 PM »
Will cross post here:

Do there seems to be a new white object at the temporary tent at the Port of Los Angeles that appeared between June 13-15th, you can see it when you compare Planet Satellite imagery here:

https://goo.gl/iwf2xm

Updated image from a high res skysat confirms a new white tarp/structure of some kind:

https://bit.ly/2K0R8pO
Smaller white tent structure is still there.

can you drive by the location?  I live in LA.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #312 on: 10/09/2018 05:18 AM »
Seems to correspond to the arrowed concrete pad, which in Earth measures 22x64 feet. The new blob may be longer.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #313 on: 10/09/2018 09:49 AM »
Seems to correspond to the arrowed concrete pad, which in Earth measures 22x64 feet. The new blob may be longer.
That area appears to be a tank farm. This is the smaller tent:

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #314 on: 10/09/2018 10:08 PM »
I was recently looking at the immense size of the mandrel that the BFR will be formed on (see for instance, the Dear Moon unveil pictures) and started to wonder how will this mandrel be removed, and will the tank domes be formed at the same time as the cylindrical portions of the tank body.

Has anyone seen any specific information on how this might be done?  Also, will these tanks be autoclaved?  It seems it hard to image an autoclave oven this big.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #315 on: 10/09/2018 11:59 PM »
SpaceX could just decide to make an enormous autoclave, the largest in the world. Previous record holder made the 6m diameter barrel sections for the 787.

Or they just vacuum bag it and put it in an oven or using heating blankets or something.

Decent probability they start with just vacuum bagging/oven and go to the autoclave later on. The autoclave would need to be built at the actual factory site, not the tent. Autoclaves are mentioned in the environmental paperwork for the port factory site.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #316 on: 10/10/2018 05:54 AM »

I'm curious as to why they'd use an autoclave since the current cylinder and dome didn't.  Ease/speed of manufacturing when they're making several ships a year?

A giant autoclave could give them a BFS vacuum testing facility as well.  Assuming that's useful.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #317 on: 10/10/2018 09:14 AM »

I'm curious as to why they'd use an autoclave since the current cylinder and dome didn't.  Ease/speed of manufacturing when they're making several ships a year?

A giant autoclave could give them a BFS vacuum testing facility as well.  Assuming that's useful.

I would assume the initial test vehicle has higher tolerances for leaks than something you want to send humans to Mars in.

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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #318 on: 10/10/2018 10:38 AM »

I'm curious as to why they'd use an autoclave since the current cylinder and dome didn't.  Ease/speed of manufacturing when they're making several ships a year?

A giant autoclave could give them a BFS vacuum testing facility as well.  Assuming that's useful.
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Re: BFR Manufacturing Facility in San Pedro (Los Angeles)
« Reply #319 on: 10/12/2018 07:58 AM »
The start of this tread mentions the project proposal for a rocket manufacturing facility in San Pedro which became public 6 months ago. Construction was described to be spanning 12 months and that work would begin with the demolition of one of the buildings on the Southwest Marine site (the compressor building). The compressor building is still standing as can be seen in Pauline Acalin's photos in a recent Teslarati article. We can conclude that work on the rocket manufacturing facility has been stalled and possibly is still stalled.

*edit: Please disregard this conclusion. IntoTheVoid provides an excellent correction below.
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