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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #200 on: 02/20/2020 09:36 pm »
It should be for the landing radar on the vehicle.  It's the same frequencies on the Falcon 9 RTLS permits.  That is the normal use of those frequencies:
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4200–4400 MHz Band. This band is allocated on a primary basis for aeronautical radionavigation where its only use in this band is for aircraft radar altimeters.

The emission designator/modulating signal code for both frequencies used is 40M0F3N which means:

40M0   40 Mhz necessary bandwith
F          Frequency modulation
3         Single analog channel
N         No information transmitted

A radar altimeter would fit with this.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #201 on: 02/27/2020 08:47 am »
https://www.faa.gov/space/environmental/nepa_docs/
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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) prepared a Draft Environmental Assessment for SpaceX Falcon Launches at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS) (Draft EA) for public review. SpaceX is applying to the FAA for launch licenses to launch the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy from KSC Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) and CCAFS Launch Complex 40 (LC-40). SpaceX is also applying to the FAA for reentry licenses for Dragon reentry operations. Public comments on the Draft EA are due by March 20, 2020.

Under the Proposed Action addressed in the Draft Environmental Assessment (EA), the FAA would:

* Issue launch licenses to SpaceX for the Falcon 9 and the Falcon Heavy from Kennedy Space Center (KSC) Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) and Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS) Launch Complex 40 (LC-40).

* Issue reentry licenses to SpaceX for the Dragon vehicle.

Dated 21 February 2020.

edit/gongora: Final version:  https://www.faa.gov/space/environmental/nepa_docs/media/SpaceX_Falcon_Program_Final_EA_and_FONSI.pdf
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Here are the renderings with the new 39A Mobile Service Structure as well as the Falcon Heavy with extended fairing!
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #203 on: 02/27/2020 03:02 pm »
Not just mobile service structure and bigger fairing

https://twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1233049299522596865

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Dragon Recovery vessel, Atlantic Ocean recovery zone and a new mobile launcher are part of some bigger plans from @SpaceX faa.gov/space/environm…

images: SpaceX
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #204 on: 02/27/2020 07:04 pm »
Not just mobile service structure and bigger fairing

https://twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1233049299522596865

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Dragon Recovery vessel, Atlantic Ocean recovery zone and a new mobile launcher are part of some bigger plans from @SpaceX faa.gov/space/environm…

images: SpaceX

Should add that that recovery ship render is unchanged from SpaceX's November 2018 In-Flight Abort draft environmental assessment.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #205 on: 02/28/2020 12:29 am »
0299-EX-ST-2020

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1423. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at Pad 40 at Cape Canaveral AFS or Pad 39A at Kennedy Space Center, and stand-alone testing at the SpaceX Payload Processing Facility. This STA is not for flight.

2020-03-29 through 2020-09-29

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2356-EX-ST-2019 DM2 ground station STA is denied.

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You are advised that the Commission is unable to grant your application for the facilities requested. NTIA objected due to anticipated harmful interference to federal space operations.

Dismissal Without Prejudice
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #206 on: 02/28/2020 01:25 am »
A paragraph or two further explaining this would be appreciated.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #207 on: 02/28/2020 02:08 am »
When a permit request is submitted, it gets run by NTIA as a federal clearinghouse to see if anyone has a problem with the location/frequencies being used.  If someone, somewhere in the government does have a problem, it gets denied.  And it's kinda like a compiler from an old programming language that just tells you that your code didn't run.  They don't actually say what the problem with the application is.  Blue Origin just went through a similar situation with permits at their Texas site and it was really ridiculous.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #208 on: 02/28/2020 03:50 am »
When a permit request is submitted, it gets run by NTIA as a federal clearinghouse to see if anyone has a problem with the location/frequencies being used.  If someone, somewhere in the government does have a problem, it gets denied.  And it's kinda like a compiler from an old programming language that just tells you that your code didn't run.  They don't actually say what the problem with the application is.  Blue Origin just went through a similar situation with permits at their Texas site and it was really ridiculous.

This is the inverse of "Bring me a rock."  (A cliche for bad review process.) 
"That rock is unacceptable." 

But we learned more about the New Shepherd issue, and read Blue's response, which was asking the FCC to pick a couple of frequencies that would be OK.
Blue said that they didn't need all of the possible frequencies they had asked for.
They were told that some of them might interfere with law enforcement, which was more than just "no go".
Did Blue get that response telling them which frequencies to use?
Did they get the issue resolved and the flight permitted?

How did SpaceX respond?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #209 on: 02/28/2020 05:30 pm »
When a permit request is submitted, it gets run by NTIA as a federal clearinghouse to see if anyone has a problem with the location/frequencies being used.  If someone, somewhere in the government does have a problem, it gets denied.  And it's kinda like a compiler from an old programming language that just tells you that your code didn't run.  They don't actually say what the problem with the application is.  Blue Origin just went through a similar situation with permits at their Texas site and it was really ridiculous.

This is the inverse of "Bring me a rock."  (A cliche for bad review process.) 
"That rock is unacceptable." 

But we learned more about the New Shepherd issue, and read Blue's response, which was asking the FCC to pick a couple of frequencies that would be OK.
Blue said that they didn't need all of the possible frequencies they had asked for.
They were told that some of them might interfere with law enforcement, which was more than just "no go".
Did Blue get that response telling them which frequencies to use?
Did they get the issue resolved and the flight permitted?

How did SpaceX respond?

Blue ended up just shotgunning applications for everything to see if they could get enough.  It really was ridiculous.  We'll see what SpaceX ends up having to do.

Blue Origin finally got their FCC permits for New Shepard flight 13.  After their application from Dec. 9 was denied, they tried again on Dec. 20 by filing individual permits for each of four frequencies.  They managed to get two of the four approved.  The date range is February 1 through March 15.  2382-EX-ST-2019  2385-EX-ST-2019

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #210 on: 02/28/2020 09:51 pm »

Blue Origin finally got their FCC permits for New Shepard flight 13.  After their application from Dec. 9 was denied, they tried again on Dec. 20 by filing individual permits for each of four frequencies.  They managed to get two of the four approved.  The date range is February 1 through March 15.  2382-EX-ST-2019  2385-EX-ST-2019

That's like bruteforcing a secret code ;) Can the process of submitting applications be automated? You coild run an algorithm to scan the whole, EM spectrum. (Sweep with large freq blocks in a first application round, then finetune with more and more narrow bandwidth. There's a tradeoff between total number of applications filed and how many iterations, are needed )

What would that cost? Is there a fee for each submitted application? That's like a money printing machine for the FCC.

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« Reply #211 on: 03/03/2020 11:29 pm »
Starlink 8 (L7) Launch Vehicle comms and recovery ops in one application:

0384-EX-ST-2020

same pads, same ASDS location, operational period requested 2020-04-04

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #212 on: 03/04/2020 04:33 pm »
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...And there's a new SpaceX FCC filing related to #Starship: 0273-EX-ST-2020. Looks like it's asking the feds for permission to track the vehicle with radar (which is no surprise, but fyi) fcc.report/ELS/Space-Expl…

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/0273-EX-ST-2020

License granted today.

This STA is necessary to authorize the Starship suborbital test vehicle radar for SpaceX Mission 1578 from the Boca Chica TX site, and the experimental recovery following the suborbital launch. Test vehicle radar use is limited to 2 functions: (1) prelaunch checkout test of the test vehicle radar system at Boca Chica at L-2 hours and (2) experimental radar testing at Boca Chica during ascent and landing. Trajectory data will be provided directly to NTIA, USAF, and NASA. All downrange Earth stations are receive-only. Launch licensing authority is FAA Office of Commercial Space Transportation.

Operation Start Date:    03/20/2020
Operation End Date:    09/20/2020
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #213 on: 03/14/2020 03:43 pm »
1423 Launch and Recovery: 0491-EX-ST-2020

NET April 22 from LC-39A or SLC-40
North  32  56  7   West  76  19  59   Autonomous Drone Ship

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« Reply #214 on: 03/14/2020 06:57 pm »
1423 Launch and Recovery: 0491-EX-ST-2020

NET April 22 from LC-39A or SLC-40
North  32  56  7   West  76  19  59   Autonomous Drone Ship

GPSIII-SV03?

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« Reply #215 on: 03/14/2020 07:25 pm »
1423 Launch and Recovery: 0491-EX-ST-2020

NET April 22 from LC-39A or SLC-40
North  32  56  7   West  76  19  59   Autonomous Drone Ship

GPSIII-SV03?

That would make the most sense, but seems odd they wouldn't have picked a pad yet for a USAF USSF mission.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #216 on: 03/14/2020 10:15 pm »
1423 Launch and Recovery: 0491-EX-ST-2020

NET April 22 from LC-39A or SLC-40
North  32  56  7   West  76  19  59   Autonomous Drone Ship

GPSIII-SV03?

That would make the most sense, but seems odd they wouldn't have picked a pad yet for a USAF USSF mission.

Why pick one if they don't have to?
If SpaceX is allowed to apply without specifying it gives them latitude in case something happens.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #217 on: 03/17/2020 12:57 am »
new request 0503-EX-ST-2020

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/0503-EX-ST-2020

edit: @mods. if requests belong to different threads, feel free to move or delete.
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« Reply #218 on: 03/17/2020 01:26 am »
new request 0503-EX-ST-2020

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Exploration-Technologies-Corp-SpaceX/0503-EX-ST-2020

edit: @mods. if requests belong to different threads, feel free to move or delete.

I'm not seeing the difference from 0491-EX-ST-2020

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« Reply #219 on: 04/01/2020 01:27 am »
new request 0579-EX-ST-2020

https://fcc.report/ELS/Space-Explorations-Technologies/0579-EX-ST-2020

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for commanding to spacecraft for upcoming mission to the International Space Station
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