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Someone suggested having a thread to track the FCC filings, we'll give that a try.

SpaceX just filed revised permit requests for three of their upcoming flights to change the emission designators/modulating signals on the second stages of the launch vehicles.

Old:
Emission Designator   Modulating Signal
3M22F1D   2.777 Mbps

New:
Emission Designator   Modulating Signal
4M14F1D   3.571 Mbps

This is for missions
1418 from SLC-40 (now NET 4/30)  Old : 0210-EX-ST-2018  New : 0677-EX-ST-2018
1465 from SLC-40 (NET 4/30)  Old : 0355-EX-ST-2018  New : 0678-EX-ST-2018
1420 from Vandenberg (Iridium 6)  Old : 0354-EX-ST-2018  New : 0679-EX-ST-2018
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #1 on: 04/09/2018 06:57 PM »
At this point it really looks like the TESS mission does not have any FCC permits.

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« Reply #2 on: 04/09/2018 07:38 PM »
At this point it really looks like the TESS mission does not have any FCC permits.
I am confident that is the TESS landing permit. The coordinates of the ASDS are not a GTO trajectory and are much closer to shore. However, it is possible that TESS does not need an FCC launch license.

File number: 0211-EX-ST-2018       
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82665&RequestTimeout=1000


Edit: I just realized I posted the wrong permit.
This is the correct one for the TESS recovery.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82387&RequestTimeout=1000
« Last Edit: 04/12/2018 10:00 PM by Michael Baylor »

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TESS is mission under the LSP, so it may be kinda different. JAson-3 got all the licences tho IIRC.

The Emission Designator changed because they increased the bandwidth of the signal from 3.22MHz to 4.14MHz.

The other 3 numbers mean:

Modulation Type: [F] Angle-modulated, straight FM
Modulation Nature: [1] Digital, on-off or quantized, no modulation
Information Type: [D] Data, telemetry, telecommand

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #4 on: 04/12/2018 03:11 AM »
M1380 TESS Launch Hazard Areas based on issued NOTMAR. Planned droneship position included.

Considering to the launch azimuth, I still remain with the assignment to M1380, which has ASDS recovery position 302km downrange according to 0136-EX-ST-2018 (although 0135-EX-ST-2018 incorrectly mentions 39a for M1380).

My problem with that theory is, what mission would Bangabandhu-1 be if it's not 1380?  There isn't another permit for a flight from LC-39A.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #5 on: 04/12/2018 08:42 AM »
My problem with that theory is, what mission would Bangabandhu-1 be if it's not 1380?  There isn't another permit for a flight from LC-39A.

I fully understand you, incorrectly stated pad is quite confusing.

However, planned recovery position lies exactly on the embedded groundtrack line through the center of the hazard areas, which is a sufficient confirmation for me now.
But even earlier, I think there was a reason to stay with the M1380 assignment in connection with TESS, going to be inserted by Falcon 9 into 200/270000km/28.5° orbit. Inclination is similar like FHDemo-Tesla initial coast orbit 29°, thus has similar launch azimuth - little more northward compare to GTO missions.
In addition, M1380 recovery position is only 302km downrange, which well corresponds to very light 362kg cargo (probably a high lofted trajectory).
Sure, it should be finally confirmed by real SAT-AIS position of recovery fleet.


As you can see in General Map (last changes for review here), Bangabandhu-1 ASDS position is there with assignment to M1418 for a weeks.

I consider M1418 to be Bangabandhu-1 mission with 3700kg GEO communication satellite on Spacebus-4000B2 configuration, mainly because M1418 ASDS position is in area of other GTO launches - 611km downrange. There isn't another permit for booster recovery operation of such mission.
Falcon9 has already launched similarly heavy Spacebus-4000B2 - that was Koreasat 5A, inserted to 285/50185km/22.0° GTO orbit, with booster ASDS recovery 625km downrange in same area.
Ok, block 5 has somewhat higher performance. However, SpaceX would also want to reliably recover this block 5 booster for thorough post-flight checks, because it's first one - it could mean that there will be not too much shortened entry burn, or/and not so aggressive landing burn.

As you know, SpaceX has recently released a new revision of the FCC application for launch vehicle communications of M1418, including shifted Operation Start Date to 04/30/2018, which is consistent with the Bangaband-1 postponement from 24 Apr to 4 May.
This mission was probably originally intended for complex 40, which maybe would explain a incorrectly mentioned pad. It could also be simply wrong information from previous grant 1732-EX-ST-2017 (Hispasat 30W-6). Surprisingly, even in newly revised application, pad 40 is still listed there.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #6 on: 04/18/2018 01:19 AM »
Mission 1397 had its preflight ground testing license granted today.


Quick side note: I feel like this thread needs to be stickied if it's actually going to get used. It finds its way to the second page of the Mission section in just a couple days at SpaceX's current rate of activity.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #7 on: 04/18/2018 01:59 AM »
Mission 1397 had its preflight ground testing license granted today.


Quick side note: I feel like this thread needs to be stickied if it's actually going to get used. It finds its way to the second page of the Mission section in just a couple days at SpaceX's current rate of activity.

I wasn't sure whether to pin this thread since we already have a few in the Missions section.  I have a lot of threads linked right under the SpaceX manifest table and in the fourth post of that thread.

It will be interesting to compare the permits to the flights over the next month or so.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #8 on: 04/18/2018 02:05 AM »
Ok, now I am completely and thoroughly confused.  I hope this is just a typo:
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Experimental first-stage recovery operation for Falcon 9 launch of SpaceX Mission 1380.
Operation Start Date:   06/17/2018

The launch permit for 1397 was also posted (SLC-40 NET 6/17).

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #9 on: 04/18/2018 02:19 AM »
Ok, now I am completely and thoroughly confused.  I hope this is just a typo:
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Experimental first-stage recovery operation for Falcon 9 launch of SpaceX Mission 1380.
Operation Start Date:   06/17/2018

The launch permit for 1397 was also posted (SLC-40 NET 6/17).

Oh god... I don't even know. I'll admit my eye twitched once or twice at "pad 40" in the 1397 preflight grant. SpaceX, please :(

And fair enough, Missions' pinned section is rather busy. It'll be useful to have the permits all (theoretically) in one thread for comparisons, though, as you mention :D

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #10 on: 04/18/2018 03:26 AM »
New recovery permit as well.

Surely this is an error? It lists Mission 1380 which is either TESS or Banga yet is NET June 17th. It seems to me that it should be Mission 1397 which also is NET June 17th.

Edit: Oh wait! The permit matches the ASDS location for the original TESS landing permit. Maybe this is a backup in case TESS is postponed to June due to Insight?

Edit 2: But the permit is valid for six months, and I cannot find any other changes unless I am missing something.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #11 on: 04/18/2018 03:43 AM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.

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« Reply #12 on: 04/18/2018 03:45 AM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.
Yeah, ok my current bet with what happened is this permit was suppose to be based off of the TESS recovery permit (they usually reference a past one), but instead they amended the TESS recovery permit and changed nothing but the NET.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #13 on: 04/18/2018 04:13 AM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.
Yeah, ok my current bet with what happened is this permit was suppose to be based off of the TESS recovery permit (they usually reference a past one), but instead they amended the TESS recovery permit and changed nothing but the NET.

That would be par for the course with these things. I started tracking the ASDS coordinates when they first began posting these permit applications and couldn't believe how many cut-and-paste errors there were. It seemed like someone spent roughly 5 minutes on average per application changing mission details from the last application.

It seems the job of writing these applications ranks right up there with keeping the supply room stocked.

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Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.

Bureaucratic agencies are ailing badly right now - many hundreds of federal appointments are vacant over the last couple years, much government administrative experience has been lost due to personnel retirement and attrition. This comment is pushing close to politics, and for that I apologize, but it's quite obvious no one in Washington has much interest in creating a smoothly and effectively functional government.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #15 on: 04/18/2018 02:24 PM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.

Bureaucratic agencies are ailing badly right now - many hundreds of federal appointments are vacant over the last couple years, much government administrative experience has been lost due to personnel retirement and attrition. This comment is pushing close to politics, and for that I apologize, but it's quite obvious no one in Washington has much interest in creating a smoothly and effectively functional government.

Political appointees in Washington don't type the mission numbers on the applications.  That's done by SpaceX.  And yes, pushing too close to politics (completely offtopic for this thread.)

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« Reply #16 on: 04/18/2018 04:29 PM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.

With great ease of cut-and-paste comes great responsibility -- to review the result!

That said, I can recall one poster to these fora (not a very frequent one, thank goodness) who viciously attacked a truly excellent space history website because, out of hundreds of thousands of pages on it, this guy found one copy/paste error.  That poster claimed that this invalidated any and all information found on that site, without any questions answered or quarter given.  After all, if they were so clumsy as to have committed a copy/paste error, well, they cannot be trusted to know their own names.

I am now looking forward to seeing the same guy viciously attack both SpaceX and the FCC over this obvious copy/paste error.  Unless, of course, the guy was being a troll and, while pretending to attack this space history site, was looking for an excuse to attack me personally... which I strongly suspect.

My point is, we are all human, and going ballistic (in this forum, it's important to note I mean that figuratively and not literally) over copy/paste errors is indicative that such people are completely bogged down in an underlying agenda.
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Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one. It makes you wonder if anyone at FCC even reads them.

Bureaucratic agencies are ailing badly right now - many hundreds of federal appointments are vacant over the last couple years, much government administrative experience has been lost due to personnel retirement and attrition. This comment is pushing close to politics, and for that I apologize, but it's quite obvious no one in Washington has much interest in creating a smoothly and effectively functional government.

Political appointees in Washington don't type the mission numbers on the applications.  That's done by SpaceX.  And yes, pushing too close to politics (completely offtopic for this thread.)
Thing is, those appointees are the bosses of the people doing the work, a lot of whom are either worried, demoralized or simply uncertain of the future. Based on personal experience, this sort of environment is not conducive to good, detail-oriented work or the proper quality assurance process for work done by others.

You can believe that or not, as you choose to.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #18 on: 04/18/2018 06:06 PM »

...we are all human, and going ballistic (in this forum, it's important to note I mean that figuratively and not literally) over copy/paste errors is indicative that such people are completely bogged down in an underlying agenda.

For the record, I regret raising the issue and will now suggest a return to regularly scheduled programming.  :)

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #19 on: 04/20/2018 03:49 PM »
Those permit applications have been rife with cut-and-paste errors almost from day one.
That's on SpaceX and it's a bit embarrassing for them, I think. Yea, probably enough about the topic.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #20 on: 04/24/2018 08:48 PM »
If you guess from looking at the dates that 1397 is Telstar 19V, then it does look like TESS had permits and that the launch pad doesn't need to be corrected between 39-A and 40 if they move a flight (at least not on the publicly released documentation on the web site.)  That kinda sucks for lining these up in the future.

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« Reply #21 on: 04/27/2018 01:44 AM »
1398 from SLC-40 NET July 2.  That would fit well with 1397 being Telstar 19V and 1398 being Telstar 18V.

0715-EX-ST-2018   1397 Launch Vehicle Comms      6/17/2018   SLC-40
0717-EX-ST-2018   First Stage Recovery (ASDS)      6/17/2018   
0762-EX-ST-2018   1398 Launch Vehicle Comms      7/2/2018   SLC-40
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #22 on: 05/08/2018 05:45 PM »
Mission 1342 - Iridium Flight 7 NET 07/09/2018
Launch Communications - File Number 0835-EX-ST-2018
Stage Recovery (ASDS) -  File Number 0836-EX-ST-2018, North  32  29  7   West  120  3  53

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« Reply #23 on: 05/08/2018 05:57 PM »
The STA for CRS-15 launch communications was filed a few days ago, it shows NET June 28.  0825-EX-ST-2018

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« Reply #24 on: 05/13/2018 01:42 AM »
SpaceX received it's NOAA remote sensing license on May 2nd, 2018 allowing them to broadcast video from the second stage.

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/files/2018_SpaceX_Public_Summary_Limited_License.pdf
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« Reply #25 on: 05/24/2018 08:10 PM »
FCC File Number 0915-EX-ST-2018
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This application uses information from previous grant 0416-EX-ST-2018. This STA is necessary for Dragon2 capsule telemetry, tracking, and command, for the upcoming SpaceX Commercial Crew vehicle demonstration mission to the International Space Station. The launch and re-entry licensing authority is the FAA. Launch is also to be coordinated with the Eastern Range. On-orbit rendezvous with the ISS is to be coordinated with the NASA.

Operation Start Date:   08/31/2018

There's a NET date at least, now to see how far that slips...
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« Reply #26 on: 06/01/2018 03:41 PM »
SpaceX finally filed for ASDS recovery on Telstar 18V, I was starting to wonder.     0998-EX-ST-2018 North  28  17  45   West  73  53  39

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« Reply #27 on: 06/01/2018 10:35 PM »
North  28  29  11   West  80  32  51

This is a location of the Cape ground station. ASDS position is North 28 17 45, West 73 53 39.
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« Reply #28 on: 06/02/2018 02:15 PM »
Another mission from the cape (SLC-40 on the paperwork) with ASDS recovery NET August 3.

Mission 1419 (Telkom 4?)
FCC File Numbers:
1002-EX-ST-2018 (launch vehicle comms)
1003-EX-ST-2018 (ASDS recovery) North  28  20  3   West  73  52  46
1005-EX-ST-2018 (pre-launch testing)

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #29 on: 06/20/2018 12:54 AM »
Four new grants today:

WJ9XHP (2x) (Mission 1419) - TTC prelaunch checkouts & launch vehicle comms, NET August 3
WJ9XFQ (Mission 1398) - Booster recovery ops, NET July 2 - ASDS location (North 28 17 45, West 73 53 39), Telstar 18V
WF9XGI - DM1 capsule communications, NET August 31

The two WJ9XHP grants are the same as the 1002 and 1005 filings gongora posted.
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« Reply #30 on: 06/20/2018 01:17 AM »
Up to 5 grants today now (there were only 2 when I looked earlier.)

Also a new one:

1111-EX-ST-2018
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Please explain in the area below why an STA is necessary:
The Experimental License application previously filed is required (0314-EX-CN-2018) for long term usage. This STA is meant to cover testing required months before the inaugural flight of the Crew Dragon spacecraft (STA: 0915-EX-ST-2018).

Purpose of Operation
Please explain the purpose of operation:    Low-power, pre-flight checkout/testing of flight hardware prior to launch.

Requested Period of Operation
Operation Start Date:   07/03/2018

Locations are Hawthorne factory and the DPF/NPF buildings at the Cape.

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« Reply #31 on: 06/28/2018 06:29 PM »
SpaceX filed a new Launch Vehicle Communications permit for Mission 1398 (1166-EX-ST-2018), which I've been thinking of as Telstar 18V.  The NET date changed to August 17 (which fits the latest schedule notes from Ben Cooper's site).  The reason for the new permit is they tweaked the communication frequencies and increased the bandwidth for the booster.  (They are actually showing two different emission designators for each of the two frequencies on the first stage, which is not the usual pattern.)
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« Reply #32 on: 06/29/2018 07:45 PM »
SpaceX has resubmitted the Telkom-4 (Mission 1419) permits to allow the August 2nd launch date. I am thinking that this mission can now go a day earlier because Telstar 18V has slipped to mid-August. It appeared to have been originally scheduled to go first.

Edit: Or maybe Parker Solar Probe deconfliction? If this one gets delayed a day things will get interesting.
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« Reply #33 on: 06/29/2018 09:39 PM »
SpaceX has resubmitted the Telkom-4 (Mission 1419) permits to allow the August 2nd launch date. I am thinking that this mission can now go a day earlier because Telstar 18V has slipped to mid-August. It appeared to have been originally scheduled to go first.

Edit: Or maybe Parker Solar Probe deconfliction? If this one gets delayed a day things will get interesting.

They submitted and already received grants for the launch vehicle communications and recovery operations, don't see anything for the third permit they had for the original date (pre-launch fairing re-rad test).  The payload order did switch.

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« Reply #34 on: 07/04/2018 03:54 PM »
Looks like something (most likely SAOCOM-1A) is launching before Iridium 8 at Vandenberg. There is a license application for a mission 1335 today launching NET September 5.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=85871&RequestTimeout=1000

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« Reply #35 on: 07/04/2018 05:11 PM »
Looks like something (most likely SAOCOM-1A) is launching before Iridium 8 at Vandenberg. There is a license application for a mission 1335 today launching NET September 5.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=85871&RequestTimeout=1000

Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached. 

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« Reply #36 on: 07/04/2018 05:26 PM »
Looks like something (most likely SAOCOM-1A) is launching before Iridium 8 at Vandenberg. There is a license application for a mission 1335 today launching NET September 5.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=85871&RequestTimeout=1000

Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached.

As I see it, September 5 would be ~45 days between NEXT launches, whereas the average for the last four is more like 65 days. Matt recently quoted Iridium-8 as NET "September/October" and Brian Webb's VAFB Launch Alert put it at NET "Oct/Nov".

I'd say 40/60 odds for iridium-8/SAOCOM-1A in early September.
« Last Edit: 07/04/2018 05:27 PM by vaporcobra »

Looks like something (most likely SAOCOM-1A) is launching before Iridium 8 at Vandenberg. There is a license application for a mission 1335 today launching NET September 5.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=85871&RequestTimeout=1000

Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached.

They're usually trying for 8 weeks turnaround from one Iridium launch to the next and they often miss it by a bit.  I don't think they could do it in 6 weeks.  I expect Iridium-8 in late September or October.

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« Reply #38 on: 07/04/2018 06:03 PM »
Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached.
Mission numbers for Iridium missions, excluding Iridium-6 with GRACE-FO (which was contracted later I guess), are consecutive, so Iridium-8 should be 1343.
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GO for launch, GO for age of reflight

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« Reply #39 on: 07/04/2018 06:15 PM »
Also have seen flight schedule for SAOCOM

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« Reply #40 on: 07/05/2018 04:03 AM »
Why do we think this is something before IR8?  Last I saw, IR8 was NET Sept 2018 with no definitive date attached.
Iridium-8 has been NET Late September/Early October according to Matt in the Iridium-7 video. I am guessing that it will slip into mid-October. Not surprised that SAOCOM is going first. Let's see what type of recovery permit they file for.  8)
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« Reply #42 on: 07/21/2018 03:08 PM »
Another RTLS at Vandenberg, Mission 1396 NET 2018-09-25.  SSO-A?  I would expect RCM to have a much lower mission number.

1303-EX-ST-2018
1305-EX-ST-2018

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« Reply #43 on: 07/21/2018 06:00 PM »
Another RTLS at Vandenberg, Mission 1396 NET 2018-09-25.  SSO-A?  I would expect RCM to have a much lower mission number.

1303-EX-ST-2018
1305-EX-ST-2018

I think SSO-A was recently said to be slated for October/November.

Iridium-8 seems to fit the date best, but it's unclear if that will RTLS (it should be possible and I speculate that even Iridium-7 could have done RTLS but SpaceX wants to first try it on a mission with higher fuel margins).

Alternatively, I've seen NET H2 2018 for SARah 1, so that's another option.

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« Reply #44 on: 07/21/2018 07:51 PM »
I think SSO-A fits best based on the information we have right now, but I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
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« Reply #45 on: 08/02/2018 03:30 PM »
Does this thread need a "how to"?

Maybe something like:

To see if new permits have been applied for/granted/denied/amended
 
Go to https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

In applicant name box enter "Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)" and click 'start search' button.

This produces a list of permits granted/denied/updated etc.

The last page currently shows

Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1180-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   06/29/2018   Granted   06/29/2018
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Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1201-EX-ST-2018   WG9XHP   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/04/2018   Granted   07/24/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1202-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/04/2018   Granted   07/17/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   N/A   N/A   1303-EX-ST-2018   WG9XHP   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/20/2018   Pending   07/20/2018
Initial
Current   N/A   N/A   View correspondence associated with this filing   View grant associated with this filing   1305-EX-ST-2018   WJ9XFQ   Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)   07/20/2018   Granted   08/01/2018

(Ugg that needs tidying up)

So the last three are
1202-EX-ST-2018
1303-EX-ST-2018 and
1305-EX-ST-2018

and there are links to see those permits.

1305-EX-ST-2018 states "This STA uses information from previous application 1202-EX-ST-2018." so 1202-EX-ST-2018 has been updated and has become permit ref 1305-EX-ST-2018.


1303-EX-ST-2018 states "This application uses information from previous grant, 1201-EX-ST-2018. This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396"

Note there is no easy way to see what which mission, " SpaceX Mission 1396" relates to. So if you want to know whether a particular mission has been granted a permit or not, then you have to follow the posts on this thread to see if that mission has been identified or not.

So the current status is that there are X permits namely

1305-EX-ST-2018 {link} covers the experimental first-stage recovery operation, following a Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base

1303-EX-ST-2018 {link} authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396

1201-EX-ST-2018 {link} authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1335

1180-EX-ST-2018 covers the experimental first-stage recovery operation following a Falcon 9 launch from Cape Canaveral

1178-EX-ST-2018 authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1419

1176-EX-ST-2018 testing of the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launch vehicle systems from the SpaceX Rocket Development and Test Facility in McGregor

1166-EX-ST-2018 authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1398 Operation Start Date: 08/17/2018 Operation End Date:   02/17/2019
This would appear to be Telstar 18V (I am guessing from the date)

...

I sure experienced people will think all this is obvious, but maybe newbies like me might not know where to start.


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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #46 on: 08/02/2018 03:56 PM »
Does this thread need a "how to"?

probably

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Maybe something like:

To see if new permits have been applied for/granted/denied/amended
 
Go to https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

In applicant name box enter "Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)" and click 'start search' button.

This produces a list of permits granted/denied/updated etc.

I'm pretty sure we've had a conversation about that before but I don't remember when or what thread it was in.

For the applicant name I just put "space".  You're more likely to see all of the relevant entries that way.  I use the Receipt Date field to narrow it down to just recent entries.

You may have noticed that some of the entries have notes or attachments when you find them this way.  That's why people posting about them should always include the File Number so others can easily look them up.  I haven't noticed any way to just give a link to the full information for the filing, you have to go through the Generic Search page.

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1303-EX-ST-2018 states "This application uses information from previous grant, 1201-EX-ST-2018. This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1396"

The "This application uses information from previous grant..." part may or may not be useful.  A lot of times it's completely irrelevant and the old filing it refers to has nothing to do with the current filing.  And then sometimes it does.  Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

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Note there is no easy way to see what which mission, " SpaceX Mission 1396" relates to. So if you want to know whether a particular mission has been granted a permit or not, then you have to follow the posts on this thread to see if that mission has been identified or not.

Yep.  I think a few of us maintain spreadsheets/lists/databases to help keep track of them.

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I sure experienced people will think all this is obvious, but maybe newbies like me might not know where to start.

No, it's not obvious.  The vast majority of people here aren't really interested in looking this stuff up.  The ones who are interested will eventually try to figure it out and ask for tips, which you are doing.  If you haven't looked at the fourth post in the SpaceX Manifest thread you may want to browse through some of those links (and let me know if you run across other useful ones).

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« Reply #47 on: 08/07/2018 03:46 PM »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.
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« Reply #48 on: 08/08/2018 11:17 PM »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.

Is there anything commercial on STP-2? Lightsail 2 (a non-profit but maybe commercial slipped in to indicate non govermental)?
DM1 or abort test seem unlikely.
Arabsat seems unlikely to be that soon.
I thought Es'hail was SLC-40 but maybe that has changed but if STP-2 and DM1 are both November from KSC 39A it seems unlikely they will fit something else in before these.

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« Reply #49 on: 08/09/2018 01:37 AM »
A Dragon mission wouldn't have fairing re-rad testing.  STP-2 is not a commercial mission.  Only things on the Florida manifest are comsats and Arabsat said their launch window didn't start until December.  There just aren't a lot of options if everything in the permit is actually correct.  (There is really no difference between launching from LC-39A or SLC-40, payloads can move between them.  We've seen them switch pads and launch with a different pad number on the FCC paperwork before.)

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« Reply #50 on: 08/10/2018 12:15 AM »
Time for another Starlink prototype launch?
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« Reply #51 on: 08/10/2018 03:39 AM »
I am not "interested in looking this stuff up" but I am intensely grateful that others are.
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« Reply #52 on: 08/11/2018 05:54 PM »
1392-EX-ST-2018

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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1392. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

Es'hail 2?  I don't know if that is scheduled for October but I don't even have another guess unless it's another undisclosed "commercial" NSS flight.  Or the application has a typo, which does happen sometimes.

And now a similar (not identical) submission for pre-launch testing at 39A with the same date (NET 10/23/2018) as the last one, with mission number 1385.  (If mission numbers are chronological that would be in the expected range for Es'hailSat 2.)

1442-EX-ST-2018

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Please explain in the area below why an STA is necessary:
This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1385. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 39a at Kennedy Space Center. This STA is not for flight.

Purpose of Operation
Please explain the purpose of operation:    Pre-launch checkout of TTC links for commercial payload mission, including operation of the fairing re-rad system, prior to flight.

Operation Start Date:   10/23/2018

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« Reply #53 on: 08/12/2018 10:37 PM »
Am I smelling the friendly investors from an upcoming secretive space start-up? Aka Zuma 2 - electric boogaloo?

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« Reply #54 on: 08/28/2018 08:46 PM »
Two new filings for mission 1385, NET October 31 from 39A (if the paperwork is correct).  ASDS landing.

1517-EX-ST-2018 : This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1385, a commercial launch from Complex 39a, Kennedy Space Center.
1518-EX-ST-2018 : North  28  21  9   West  73  52  57   Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles

Given the timing, if it is really launching from that pad (which I wouldn't exactly bet my life on), the most likely suspects are either DM-1 or a GTO mission to bring the pad back up after not having a launch for about six months?  If it's a GTO mission I don't see anything other than Es'hail 2 on the schedule, but I also haven't seen anything else saying Es'hail 2 is ready or being transported to the Cape yet (it hasn't shown up in Volga-Dnepr's transportation filings).

I'm assuming the pre-launch testing permit for mission 1392 was a mistake and it was replaced by the permit for mission 1385.

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« Reply #55 on: 08/28/2018 09:07 PM »
Two new filings for mission 1385, NET October 31 from 39A (if the paperwork is correct).  ASDS landing.

1517-EX-ST-2018 : This STA is necessary to authorize launch vehicle communications for SpaceX Mission 1385, a commercial launch from Complex 39a, Kennedy Space Center.
1518-EX-ST-2018 : North  28  21  9   West  73  52  57   Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles

Given the timing, if it is really launching from that pad (which I wouldn't exactly bet my life on), the most likely suspects are either DM-1 or a GTO mission to bring the pad back up after not having a launch for about six months?  If it's a GTO mission I don't see anything other than Es'hail 2 on the schedule, but I also haven't seen anything else saying Es'hail 2 is ready or being transported to the Cape yet (it hasn't shown up in Volga-Dnepr's transportation filings).

I'm assuming the pre-launch testing permit for mission 1392 was a mistake and it was replaced by the permit for mission 1385.
ASDS location is definitely a GTO mission and no way that DM-1 doesn't RTLS. Slight chance that these two permits could be unrelated though. The start date for the ASDS permit is three days earlier, but I am guessing they are the same.
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« Reply #56 on: 09/14/2018 07:09 PM »
1602-EX-ST-2018
CRS-16 Dragon tracking permit filed for a start date of 11/20/18.
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« Reply #58 on: 09/14/2018 07:47 PM »
Do we know if the Crew Dragon flights require the same permits/licences as the Cargo Dragon Missions or the paperwork is managed my the NASA CCP?

A similar FCC permit was filled a few months ago, so I guess yes. There will probably be a launch and post landing FCC permit for DM-1 in the next few weeks. Same for CRS-16, this was only the communications permit with Dragon.

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« Reply #59 on: 09/29/2018 02:58 AM »
Mission 1404 (CRS-16) Launch Vehicle Communication 1693-EX-ST-2018 and RTLS Recovery 1694-EX-ST-2018 from SLC-40

edit: I'm guessing that means Missions 1404-1408 will be CRS-16 through CRS-20
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« Reply #60 on: 10/09/2018 06:05 PM »
SpaceX got a 5-year LLO for Falcon 9 flights from Vandenberg on October 4.

LLO 18-111
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(a) "Flight" shall mean the flight of a Falcon 9 launch
vehicle, commencing with ignition of the first stage from
SLC-4E at Vandenberg Air Force Base (VAFB) and transporting
communications, remote sensing, or navigation class
payloads to low Earth orbit. Flight includes flyback of
the first stage booster for landing at Landing Zone 4 at
VAFB, landing on a droneship, or splashdown in the ocean
as
described in the application.
...
Authorization: SpaceX is authorized to conduct flights of
launch vehicles:
(a) Using a Falcon 9 launch vehicle;
(b) From Space Launch Complex 4E at Vandenberg Air Force
Base, California;
(c) On a flight azimuth between 173 and 209 degrees;
(d) Transporting a communications, remote sensing, or
navigation class payloads to low Earth orbit
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(e) According to the launch vehicle, launch vehicle
systems, and safety management program represented in
the SpaceX application as of the date of this order,
and any amendments to the license application
approved by the FAA, in writing.
...
4. Liability Insurance: SpaceX shall maintain a policy or
policies of liability insurance (or otherwise demonstrate
financial responsibility) in accordance with 14 C.F.R.
§ 440.9(b) in the amount of:
(a) Fifty Million Dollars ($50,000,000) for covered claims
resulting from flight of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle
from Vandenberg Air Force Base (VAFB), and
(b) Nine Million Dollars ($9,000,000) for covered claims
resulting from pre-flight operations performed at VAFB.
5. Government Property Insurance: SpaceX shall maintain a
policy or policies of insurance (or otherwise demonstrate
financial responsibility) in accordance with .14 C.F.R
§ 440.9(d) in the amount of:
(a) One Hundred Million Dollars ($100,000,000) for covered
claims resulting from flight of the Falcon 9 la-unch
vehicle from VAFB, and
(b) Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) for covered claims
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Mission 1376 from SLC-40 NET Dec. 8, 2018

That's the right time for GPS-III, which theoretically might not need these permits.

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« Reply #62 on: 10/25/2018 04:28 AM »
PSN VI?  Is this DM-1?

1829-EX-ST-2018 Launch from 39A NET Dec. 10, 2018

1831-EX-ST-2018 ASDS Landing
North  31  43  23   West  76  58  47

Based on all of the other info we've seen recently on the SpaceX schedule I wouldn't expect this to actually launch in December.
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« Reply #63 on: 10/25/2018 07:12 AM »
Maybe this is SpX-16. DM-1 has been delayed to January next year.
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« Reply #64 on: 10/25/2018 12:02 PM »
Maybe this is SpX-16. DM-1 has been delayed to January next year.

It's a NET date.

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« Reply #65 on: 10/25/2018 12:14 PM »
Maybe this is SpX-16. DM-1 has been delayed to January next year.

Isn't SpX-16 going from 40?

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« Reply #66 on: 10/25/2018 02:27 PM »
Maybe this is SpX-16. DM-1 has been delayed to January next year.

Isn't SpX-16 going from 40?
And they already filed the CRS-16 paperwork. CRS-16 is an RTLS too as you would expect. Maybe for the crewed launches they need extra margin for abort and anomaly scenarios.
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« Reply #67 on: 10/25/2018 06:49 PM »
Crew launches need especially flat trajectory, because of less G's on the crew during an eventual abort.
492km downrange distance for ASDS landing looks like flatter profile for LEO. Agree with DM-1.
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PSN VI?  1844-EX-ST-2018
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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1384. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 40 at Cape Canaveral AFS. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   12/12/2018

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #69 on: 10/26/2018 09:58 PM »
PSN VI?  1844-EX-ST-2018
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This STA is intended to cover pre-launch testing for a commercial payload on mission 1384. Tests involve fairing re-rad operations at pad 40 at Cape Canaveral AFS. This STA is not for flight.

Operation Start Date:   12/12/2018
Re rad rings a bell regarding PSN VI and Es,hail as both have to re rad per FCC request.

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #70 on: 11/02/2018 01:44 AM »
1877-EX-ST-2018
Iridium 8, there is also an ASDS recovery permit
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #71 on: 11/06/2018 02:16 PM »
PSN VI?  1844-EX-ST-2018
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Looking at the correspondence, they talk about the SpaceIL lunar lander so yes, it seems this is for PSN VI

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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #72 on: 11/08/2018 02:02 AM »
ASDS landing NET Nov. 19 from Vandenberg.  I would guess SSO-A.
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Re: SpaceX Mission Paperwork (FCC/FAA/etc. permits/licenses)
« Reply #73 on: 11/08/2018 04:57 AM »
How far will this be of the coast?

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« Reply #74 on: 11/08/2018 05:37 AM »
How far will this be of the coast?
Landing position is unfortunately unknown. ASDS coordinates point to LZ4 position, which is obviously another error in the FCC request.

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