Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort Test : Jan. 19, 2020 : Discussion  (Read 366121 times)

Offline Roy_H

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Question - won’t the AFSS automatically sense the departure of the capsule as a flight anomaly triggering a termination command?

Only if they defined such a rule for this mission.  The booster regularly shuts down its engines, separates from the upper stage, moves around, relights engines, etc.  AFTS fires if it strays outside of the defined flight corridor.  They are shutting down the booster engines first, which the capsule (or wherever the logic resides in avionics) should sense as abnormal at that point in the flight, register it as a launch vehicle failure, and trigger the capsule abort.

Now that you mention this, it got me thinking that the AFTS should eventually trigger depending on how the launch corridor is defined. If the corridor is a 2D map then it will most likely not detonate unless strong winds pull the Falcon outside, bit it most likely will if the corridor is defined a 3D thing, like a bent pipe. Anyone knows how it is defined for FTS purposes?

Their concern is if any rocket pieces fall outside the launch corridor, so I imagine it is set up as 2D by your description.
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Back up to T - 12 days after the slip to the 18th. But it was T - 20 days, so it's tracking in.

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Hearing that NASA and SpaceX are now targeting no earlier than Jan. 18 for Crew Dragon's Inflight Abort Test. Falcon 9 static fire set for as early as the end of this week.

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1214271793113919488

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AAaand news source of that tweet is this site. Small circles.
« Last Edit: 01/07/2020 01:44 am by HVM »

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I KNOW this has been asked but I can't find it. Do we know that the second stage or even the booster will be fully loaded? It seems like an option to put nitrogen in the second stage and to short fuel the first stage. RP-1 and LOX are not terribly expensive, but dumping the fuel over the ocean seems like a silly thing to do if there is an easy alternative.

If both stages are fully fueled I'm very excited to see a Rapid Scheduled Disassembly. I might drag some friends out but I'm not sure how much to hype the exploding rocket if it just falls back to earth like some boring EELV. This may be my only opportunity to root for an explosion!

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I KNOW this has been asked but I can't find it. Do we know that the second stage or even the booster will be fully loaded?

Yes, I think so, because this fueling process counts towards Commercial Crew certification, it's one of the x (x = 5?) number of CC fueling processes SpaceX needed to demonstrate, I heard the CC fueling process is slightly different from the normal unmanned launches.

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Hearing that NASA and SpaceX are now targeting no earlier than Jan. 18 for Crew Dragon's Inflight Abort Test. Falcon 9 static fire set for as early as the end of this week.

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1214271793113919488


I'm starting to worry that this might push back the crewed flight.
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wrt this tweet...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211497049906196480

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Crew Dragon should be physically ready & at the Cape in Feb, but completing all safety reviews will probably take a few more months

Appears that we may have an NET of at least April 2020. I would think "first half" of 2020 would still be awesome. :)

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I'm starting to worry that this might push back the crewed flight.

We all want to see it fly but let's not rush it. It's vastly more important to get it right than to meet a target date.
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NET January 18, 2020 on Falcon 9 (core 1048.4) from LC-39A at Kennedy Space Center.
Here is the error
core 1048.4 -> SpaceX Starlink-1 (v1.0)
core 1046.4 -> Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort

Offline Captain Crutch

I'm starting to worry that this might push back the crewed flight.
I doubt that this would be the cause of the delay. It seems like delays at this point would be due to testing hardware and certification rather than a few day delays of this test. Now if this test were to fail this would obviously delay DM-2 by many months, but if successful and delayed a week or two there should be no impact on the current schedule unless this launch gets delayed to just before or after DM-2, as DM-2 relies on the success of IFA. But given the current schedule, I don't see IFA slipping that much into DM-2's window given we currently have a NET of February for that mission, with a high likelihood of slipping.


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IFA - In Flight Abort (UM) - UnManned V1.2 - changes in procedure

WAG (wild ass guess)

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The last comment triggered the question


Where is the Dragon recovery crew ship deployed on a crew launch? Near where a first stage failure would cause the dragon to land? Where a second stage failure would drop it?

Will they "cheat" and station the ship near the expected splash down from maxq?

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The last comment triggered the question


Where is the Dragon recovery crew ship deployed on a crew launch? Near where a first stage failure would cause the dragon to land? Where a second stage failure would drop it?

Will they "cheat" and station the ship near the expected splash down from maxq?

There is another option: On "hot" stand-by in port.
Both CCP providers have to meet a requirement that the capsule needs to stay afloat a minimum of 24 hours after splash-down.
Also: NASA has enlisted the aid of rapid response teams from the USAF. Those are air-dropped where ever the spacecraft came down after an abort.
« Last Edit: 01/17/2020 10:12 am by woods170 »

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Tim Dodd will be doing his own life stream of the IFA


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I’m looking forward to putting this milestone behind us and move on to actual crew flights.

I expect this to look a similar to the failed CRS-7 flight. Maybe I’m missing something.

It will be nice to get this done, SpaceX clear that milestone and get some $, and then back to Starlink and wait for the first crew launch.

Indeed.  Blink and you might miss the Superdraco fiery goodness, though  ;)


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The last comment triggered the question


Where is the Dragon recovery crew ship deployed on a crew launch? Near where a first stage failure would cause the dragon to land? Where a second stage failure would drop it?

Will they "cheat" and station the ship near the expected splash down from maxq?

Note that pararescue from the AF will be on standby to pick up the  astronauts in case of an abort.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/rescue-operations-take-shape-for-commercial-crew-program-astronauts

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Over on SFN they mention that the plan is to shut the 9 Merlins off before separation.  Isn't the whole point of doing the test at max Q is to verify it will work in an actual flight?  That is to say with the engines firing as they normally would.
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Over on SFN they mention that the plan is to shut the 9 Merlins off before separation.  Isn't the whole point of doing the test at max Q is to verify it will work in an actual flight?  That is to say with the engines firing as they normally would.

My understanding is that an abort signal automatically triggers an engine shutdown. (So a 'normal' abort is with the engines off. it would take a another set of failures for dragon to decide to abort while the first stage doesn't know and continues firing) (and yes I know that during CRS-7 the first stage continued firing, but I'm sure that was before the system was designed for crew)

From the NASA press release:

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Once the launch escape sequence begins, Falcon 9’s first stage Merlin engines will shut down and Crew Dragon’s SuperDraco thrusters will begin their firing sequence

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/spacex-nasa-gear-up-for-in-flight-abort-demonstration

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