Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort Test : Jan. 19, 2020 : Discussion  (Read 366120 times)

Offline Chris Bergin

NASA media accreditation is open, a good sign this is indeed December.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1199431587613544448
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The test has to be after 13 December because special logistics requests are due by then :)

November 26, 2019
MEDIA ADVISORY M19-133
NASA Invites Media to SpaceX In-Flight Abort Test for Commercial Crew
SpaceX Crew Dragon spacecraft


Media accreditation is open for SpaceX’s In-Flight Abort Test as part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program. The flight test of SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket and Crew Dragon spacecraft is targeted for no earlier than December – an exact test date still is to be determined -- from historic Launch Complex 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

This will be among the final major tests for the company before NASA astronauts will fly aboard the Crew Dragon spacecraft. As part of the test, SpaceX will configure the spacecraft to trigger a launch escape shortly after liftoff and demonstrate Crew Dragon’s capability to safely separate from the rocket in the unlikely event of an in-flight emergency. The demonstration also will provide valuable data toward NASA certifying SpaceX’s crew transportation system for carrying astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

Media accreditation deadlines are as follows:

    International media without U.S. citizenship must apply by 4 p.m. EST Friday, Dec. 6, for access to Kennedy media activities.
    U.S. media must apply by 4 p.m. Friday, Dec. 13.

All accreditation requests should be submitted online at:

https://media.ksc.nasa.gov     

For questions about accreditation, please email [email protected]. For other questions, contact Kennedy’s newsroom at 321-867-2468.

Reporters with special logistics requests for Kennedy, such as space for satellite trucks, trailers, tents, electrical connections, or work spaces, must contact Tiffany Fairley at [email protected] by Dec. 13.

NASA’s Commercial Crew Program is working with the American aerospace industry through a public-private partnership to launch astronauts on American rockets and spacecraft from American soil for the first time since 2011. The goal of the program is safe, reliable and cost-effective transportation to and from the International Space Station, which could allow for additional research time and increase the opportunity for discovery aboard humanity’s testbed for exploration. The space station remains the springboard to NASA's next great leap in exploration, including future missions to the Moon and eventually to Mars.

For test coverage, NASA's launch blog, and more information about the test, visit:

https://www.nasa.gov/commercialcrew
« Last Edit: 11/26/2019 08:12 pm by Targeteer »
Best quote heard during an inspection, "I was unaware that I was the only one who was aware."

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At the point where Dragon and the
trunk separate, the first and second stage would become unstable and break up approximately 2–4 miles
down range from the shore

It says FTS will be installed, but doesn't say it would be used unless the vehicle strays outside of the approved flight path.

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Off-nominal Scenario 3: For early aborts where Falcon 9 velocity, and hence dynamic pressure,
are still relatively low, if no autonomous flight termination rules are violated, Falcon 9 might
impact the ocean’s surface intact. For aborts closer to the abort time frame, an intact impact is
unlikely. In the event of Falcon 9 intact impact, propellant is expected to be consumed in the
higher yield explosion resulting from propellant mixing upon impact.

Hope we have cameras pointing at all the action, including "higher yield explosion" if it occurs!

That’s surprisingly sloppy language as rockets don’t “explode” on impact. Technically they conflagrate. Fuel and oxidizer burn together as they are not premixed or well mixed.  And that’s technically not “high yield”.

It would be over the horizon for observers not high above the ground. Do we have an estimate of how far offshore the impact would occur?   

The likelihood is that the first and second graves will disintegrate in an uncontrolled and unstable supersonic tumble, and the capsule will streak away from a nice conflagration. Should be spectacular.

Will the second stage be fueled to keep the rocket at the usual mass?

Staging is easily visible from the ground at the launch site, and the abort will happen about 70 seconds into the flight, well before staging would normally occur (at about 150 seconds). People and cameras on the ground will have a good view of the abort, although at roughly 10 miles altitude it may not look like much to the naked eye.

Per the FAA Draft EA, the Dragon will be recovered anywhere from 9-42 miles from shore. The projected debris field from the Falcon 9 is broad, about 10 miles wide, and spans 2-20 miles offshore.
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From CRS-19 SpaceX webcast:

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IFA test targeting February 2020

Edit to add:

Someone misspoke?!

https://twitter.com/lorengrush/status/1202643820690771969

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This was short lived! I'm now being told it hasn't shifted to February
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Hmm, so what is happening in Feb 2020 ...

https://twitter.com/stephenclark1/status/1202651561157111813

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I’m told Crew Dragon in-flight abort might still occur before the end of this month. The host of SpaceX’s webcast apparently misspoke when he said February 2020.

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May have meant DM-2 for February...?

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May have meant DM-2 for February...?
Or it's slipped internally but they haven't announced that yet.

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May have meant DM-2 for February...?
Or it's slipped internally but they haven't announced that yet.
I'm starting to think the same. He would not have had estimated dates for DM-2 if he misspoke.
« Last Edit: 12/05/2019 06:35 pm by EspenU »

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https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1202657201048948738
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SpaceX is targeting NET December for its key Crew Dragon launch escape test and first quarter 2020 for the Demo-2 mission, which will be the company's first launch with crew.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1202660222382333953
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No, I'm told the comment made on today's livestream was an honest mistake.

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Given he was probably reading off a prompter, I suspect the mistake was by whoever prepared the text, not the presenter.  In any case, it is good to have that clarified.

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Given he was probably reading off a prompter, I suspect the mistake was by whoever prepared the text, not the presenter.  In any case, it is good to have that clarified.

The individual who made the "statement" is a Dragon engineering manager...I am reasonably confident that he would be aware of the more important "flight windows" and may have  just mixed up milestones/events while "live" on stream.

They may have a teleprompter or cue cards to keep each broadcast to a format...but seriously, I think most of these individuals could roll it off the top of their heads...the broadcast is geared towards the general public.

SpaceX employs humans ...they are allowed to make a minor non destructive broadcast ooopsie...don't need to cover for them.

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https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1202657201048948738
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SpaceX is targeting NET December for its key Crew Dragon launch escape test and first quarter 2020 for the Demo-2 mission, which will be the company's first launch with crew.

Where can one find DM-1 footage that gif was created from?

EDIT: Is it available anywhere else exept here? :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXpAXIGA5fg
« Last Edit: 12/06/2019 11:27 am by ugordan »

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https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1203092891201085441

Quote from: NASA Commercial Crew
.@NASA & @SpaceX are targeting no earlier than Jan. 4 for an In-Flight Abort Test of the #CrewDragon 🐉 from Launch Complex 39A at @NASAKennedy.

The test of the escape system is one of the final tests before astronauts will fly aboard the spacecraft: http://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/12/06/spacex-in-flight-abort-test-launch-date-update/

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https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1203128237364105217

"Hello from Hawthorne. Got to see the Dragon for the Demo-2 crewed mission. SpaceX aims to ship it out of factory by the end of year for thermal vacuum testing. Gwynne Shotwell says the target date for the in-flight abort test is Jan. 4. She says Demo-2 as soon as February."

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SpaceX In-Flight Abort Test Launch Date Update

NASA and SpaceX are targeting no earlier than Jan. 4, 2020, for a critical In-Flight Abort Test of the Crew Dragon spacecraft from Launch Complex 39A at the Kennedy Space Center, Florida, pending U.S. Air Force Eastern Range approval.

As part of the test, SpaceX will configure Crew Dragon to trigger a launch escape shortly after liftoff and demonstrate Crew Dragon’s capability to safely separate from the Falcon 9 rocket in the unlikely event of an in-flight emergency. The demonstration also will provide valuable data toward NASA certifying SpaceX’s crew transportation system for carrying astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

The demonstration of Crew Dragon’s launch escape system is part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program and is one of the final major tests for the company before NASA astronauts will fly aboard the spacecraft.

The In-Flight Abort Test follows a series of static fire engine tests of the spacecraft conducted Nov. 13 near SpaceX’s Landing Zone 1 on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.

Author Marie LewisPosted on December 6, 2019

https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2019/12/06/spacex-in-flight-abort-test-launch-date-update/

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I am not sure of which "shutdown" you have referenced. If the "shutdown" is due to "government funding"..tough to forcast for that and it will be a problem. If the Eastern Range "shutdown" for holidays  or scheduled maintenance was your intention...this is taken into consideration and has demonstrated flexibility in the past.

edit: The post that this one was a possible answer to, appears to have been deleted.
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https://twitter.com/raul74cz/status/1205932074462597124

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After High Altitude In-Flight Abort Test #CrewDragon will splashdown 31km east of the KSC LC-39A! Planned recovery boat location by purple pin, based on issued FCC application. https://t.co/sNLoxe58re

https://twitter.com/spacexfleet/status/1205934940149428225

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The Falcon 9 booster is expected to break apart following the abort. The debris is anticipated to fall into the area shown below. SpaceX intends to recover all floating debris.

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[NASA] SpaceX In-Flight Abort Test Launch Date Update

NASA and SpaceX are targeting no earlier than Jan. 11, 2020, for a critical In-Flight Abort Test of the Crew Dragon spacecraft from Launch Complex 39A at the Kennedy Space Center, Florida, pending U.S. Air Force Eastern Range approval.

As part of the test, SpaceX will configure Crew Dragon to trigger a launch escape shortly after liftoff and demonstrate Crew Dragon’s capability to safely separate from the Falcon 9 rocket in the unlikely event of an in-flight emergency. The demonstration also will provide valuable data toward NASA certifying SpaceX’s crew transportation system for carrying astronauts to and from the International Space Station.

The demonstration of Crew Dragon’s launch escape system is part of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program and is one of the final major tests for the company before NASA astronauts will fly aboard the spacecraft.

The In-Flight Abort Test follows a series of static fire engine tests of the spacecraft conducted Nov. 13 near SpaceX’s Landing Zone 1 on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. SpaceX will also conduct a static fire test of its Falcon 9 rocket ahead of the In-Flight Abort Test.
« Last Edit: 12/18/2019 04:49 pm by gongora »

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Is this date firm?  Are we actually into the countdown?  T-20 days.

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