Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort Test : Jan. 19, 2020 : Discussion  (Read 366146 times)

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It is one of the fueling ports, it can either be the RP-1 or the LOX fueling port. It is there for every single booster.

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First look at IFA (ex-DM-2) Dragon + F9! Bonus: two three other stored boosters in the HIF too - I'll leave it to the booster tracker gurus to call them by name :)

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705
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First look at IFA (ex-DM-2) Dragon + F9! Bonus: two three other stored boosters in the HIF too - I'll leave it to the booster tracker gurus to call them by name :)

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705
That is a very crowded HIF so certainly not 39A and they're already integrating a rocket, the booster in the middle of the three has an upper stage being integrated. I remember SLC-40 being only able to hold one booster but I don't know if maybe they had optimized the available space there or not and now it can fit 3, otherwise this must be at one of the other cape hangars like the one at LZ-1 and places like that. It makes sense to integrate the rocket there and then move it through the cape to the launchpad when they are ready for the mission.

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First look at IFA (ex-DM-2) Dragon + F9! Bonus: two three other stored boosters in the HIF too - I'll leave it to the booster tracker gurus to call them by name :)

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705
That is a very crowded HIF so certainly not 39A and they're already integrating a rocket, the booster in the middle of the three has an upper stage being integrated. I remember SLC-40 being only able to hold one booster but I don't know if maybe they had optimized the available space there or not and now it can fit 3, otherwise this must be at one of the other cape hangars like the one at LZ-1 and places like that. It makes sense to integrate the rocket there and then move it through the cape to the launchpad when they are ready for the mission.

That is the 39A HIF.  You can see the TEL rails and the payload fairing support stand.
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First look at IFA (ex-DM-2) Dragon + F9! Bonus: two three other stored boosters in the HIF too - I'll leave it to the booster tracker gurus to call them by name :)

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705
That is a very crowded HIF so certainly not 39A and they're already integrating a rocket, the booster in the middle of the three has an upper stage being integrated. I remember SLC-40 being only able to hold one booster but I don't know if maybe they had optimized the available space there or not and now it can fit 3, otherwise this must be at one of the other cape hangars like the one at LZ-1 and places like that. It makes sense to integrate the rocket there and then move it through the cape to the launchpad when they are ready for the mission.

That is the 39A HIF

D'oh... you're right. The HIF door is the one from 39A's HIF and there are actually 4 boosters inside and not three. Next time I should look at it twice before posting haha

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https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705

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The @SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket and #CrewDragon spacecraft that will be used for the In-Flight Abort test have arrived at SpaceX facilities in Cape Canaveral, Fla. for preparation ahead of the test!

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Is that a converted FH side booster? Just wondering based on the oddly angled fixture on the top near the engines. But perhaps that is just a temporary lifting attachment.

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will the abort use parachutes or just be like the Orion one?
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I counted 4 as well... which immediately reminded me of this Star Trek TNG scene:




First look at IFA (ex-DM-2) Dragon + F9! Bonus: two three other stored boosters in the HIF too - I'll leave it to the booster tracker gurus to call them by name :)

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1179748212963528705
That is a very crowded HIF so certainly not 39A and they're already integrating a rocket, the booster in the middle of the three has an upper stage being integrated. I remember SLC-40 being only able to hold one booster but I don't know if maybe they had optimized the available space there or not and now it can fit 3, otherwise this must be at one of the other cape hangars like the one at LZ-1 and places like that. It makes sense to integrate the rocket there and then move it through the cape to the launchpad when they are ready for the mission.

That is the 39A HIF

D'oh... you're right. The HIF door is the one from 39A's HIF and there are actually 4 boosters inside and not three. Next time I should look at it twice before posting haha

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will the abort use parachutes or just be like the Orion one?

Parachutes. Land in the water and be retrieved. The landing under parachutes is part of the chute qualifaction process for Crew Dragon.

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D'oh... you're right. The HIF door is the one from 39A's HIF and there are actually 4 boosters inside and not three. Next time I should look at it twice before posting haha

The LC40 HIF is a lot smaller ( https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/crs-3_f9inhangar.jpg )

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D'oh... you're right. The HIF door is the one from 39A's HIF and there are actually 4 boosters inside and not three. Next time I should look at it twice before posting haha

The LC40 HIF is a lot smaller ( https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/crs-3_f9inhangar.jpg )

I know, I already said on the other comment that having more than one booster meant it was certainly not SLC-40 unless they suddenly upgraded it without us noticing and that it could still be one of the other hangars at the cape but that interior and the space for more than 3 booster indicates very clearly it is LC-39A

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Is that a converted FH side booster? Just wondering based on the oddly angled fixture on the top near the engines. But perhaps that is just a temporary lifting attachment.

Looking at the assembled Falcon Heavy stack, the gold-coloured lifting pin is too high on the body to be the fixture where the lower separator attaches. Indeed, you can see that on the assembled stack there are two of these pins on each core, facing upwards (+Z) when on the TE.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1114932679688900608

Comparing the pictures, for some reason this booster seems to be almost upside-down - compare with the right-hand (Minus Y, MY or -Y) booster in the FH picture, which is upside-down relative to the left-hand (Plus Y, PY or +Y) and the centre. We can see the fatter raceway, with the big lump half-way up (under the wrapping) that matches the big lump on the MY FH booster.

Therefore we would expect the separator hardware - if there was any - to be in the south-west position (225°). If it is there, we can't see it past the engines, nor can we see any cover plate that might reveal that it had been present!

I'm not sure what the 'gold' pin is for, but it's not obviously an indicator of re-used FH hardware.

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1181585837869297664
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Any date/timeframe you’re currently targeting for IFA?

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All hardware is at the Cape. Need to do static fire and reconfigure for flight. Launch probably late Nov / early Dec.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1181584415362707456
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We had to reallocate some resources to speed this up & received great support from Airborne, our parachute supplier. I was at their Irvine factory with the SpaceX team on Sat and Sun. We’re focusing on the advanced Mk3 chute, which provides highest safety factor for astronauts.

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I'm not sure what the 'gold' pin is for, but it's not obviously an indicator of re-used FH hardware.
Lifting point for ground handling. They're removed before flight. You can see them used when the bridge crane in the HIF is lifting a core, and they are re-attached to landed boosters for turnover

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https://twitter.com/chrisg_nsf/status/1189159428504932352

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Upcoming milestones at @NASAKennedy according to Science Tech #NAC meeting:
SpX In-Flight Abort - Early Dec.
Boeing OFT - NET 12/17/19
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What’s the timeline looking like for IFA?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1189363011967782913

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Hard to say with high accuracy, but 4 to 6 weeks is my best guess

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https://twitter.com/chrisg_nsf/status/1189540942266720256

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The #Falcon9 booster for In Flight Abort will be 4th flight of booster.  It was refurbed at Hawthorne, not KSC.  It was shipped back to KSC on 9/22/19.  #HEO #NAC

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twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1191132442964439040

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"We do expect that Falcon will break up." -  Benji Reed, SpaceX Director of Crew Mission Management, on the upcoming Inflight Abort Test for Crew Dragon.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/audio/episode_17_abort_3220774_rev_4.mp3

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1191132681557463045

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Reed adds that they do intent to fly the Crew Dragon from the Inflight Abort Test again. They have not decided on which mission that would be.

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Does Boeing have to perform an in-flight abort before flying a manned mission?  If not (I haven't heard they have to) why not?  ???
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