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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #1 on: 02/12/2018 04:12 PM »
Already available at the nasa website (https://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/index.html). Two specific items appear particularly interesting, and both are related to a new budget line named "Advanced Exploration Systems" which is about $1bn a year starting in FY19:
1) support to public-private partnerships with the purpose of developing small and medium-sized (500-1000kg) robotic lunar landers, towards a first flight opportunity of the small ones in FY2019 (!) and the medium ones in FY2022, and
2) the launch in FY2022 of a power and propulsion stage on a commercial launch vehicle instead of SLS...

edit: forgot another interesting element - a "potential Mars Sample Return mission incorporating commercial partnerships"?!
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #2 on: 02/12/2018 04:35 PM »
Attached is the budget overview for NASA from
https://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/index.html
NASA FY 2019 Budget Overview
ISS thru 2023, and a new item as described Xentry "Advanced Exploration Systems" , note that it is roughly 1 billion per year thru 2023.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #3 on: 02/12/2018 05:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/Berger_SN/status/963107389984641024

That is a major list of items they want cancelled, several of which are either in service or are ready to be.

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FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #4 on: 02/12/2018 05:01 PM »
The headline items to me are the attempt to cut NASA’s flagship astronomy mission in WFIRST and the attempted decimation of  earth sciences yet again. Plus cutting NASA’s Office of Education.

http://spacenews.com/nasa-budget-proposal-seeks-to-cancel-wfirst/

I’d be very, very surprised if this gets past Congress as is.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #5 on: 02/12/2018 05:55 PM »
Already available at the nasa website (https://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/index.html). Two specific items appear particularly interesting, and both are related to a new budget line named "Advanced Exploration Systems" which is about $1bn a year starting in FY19:
1) support to public-private partnerships with the purpose of developing small and medium-sized (500-1000kg) robotic lunar landers, towards a first flight opportunity of the small ones in FY2019 (!) and the medium ones in FY2022, and
2) the launch in FY2022 of a power and propulsion stage on a commercial launch vehicle instead of SLS...

edit: forgot another interesting element - a "potential Mars Sample Return mission incorporating commercial partnerships"?!

Advanced Exploration Systems itself is not a new start - the NextSTEP program is within AES, as well as Lunar CATALYST
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #6 on: 02/12/2018 06:24 PM »
Already available at the nasa website (https://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/index.html). Two specific items appear particularly interesting, and both are related to a new budget line named "Advanced Exploration Systems" which is about $1bn a year starting in FY19:
1) support to public-private partnerships with the purpose of developing small and medium-sized (500-1000kg) robotic lunar landers, towards a first flight opportunity of the small ones in FY2019 (!) and the medium ones in FY2022, and
2) the launch in FY2022 of a power and propulsion stage on a commercial launch vehicle instead of SLS...

edit: forgot another interesting element - a "potential Mars Sample Return mission incorporating commercial partnerships"?!

Advanced Exploration Systems itself is not a new start - the NextSTEP program is within AES, as well as Lunar CATALYST

That is correct, but note that at least part of the NextSTEP programme does NOT appear to be any longer within Advanced Exploration System, and is instead referred to in the "Exploration Research and Technology" - or at least that's what is written on p.18 of the NASA Budget Overview.
In addition, AES+ERT put together now represent nearly $2bn in the proposal for FY2019... it's still quite a budget increase for new exploration technologies taken as a whole, I think.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #7 on: 02/12/2018 07:26 PM »
Cancelling WFirst would be a shame. Hope that Congress doesn't go along with that.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #8 on: 02/12/2018 08:34 PM »
Ranking Member Johnson Statement on President’s FY2019 Budget Request

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“When I was first briefed on ‘highlights’ of President Trump’s budget request, I was incredulous at its treatment of our federal science agencies. To propose slashing EPA’s budget and DOE’s EERE, eliminating NASA’s education programs and several Earth science instruments and missions, and cutting NOAA’s oceans and atmospheric programs, just to name a few of the damaging proposals in this document, shows that this Administration has no appreciation for the role that these agencies play in driving the economy, keeping our nation competitive, and protecting the environment and public health.   The only good thing about this budget is that it’s so extreme, I have no doubt that it will be summarily rejected by both sides of the aisle.”

https://democrats-science.house.gov/news/press-releases/ranking-member-johnson-statement-president-s-fy2019-budget-request

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #9 on: 02/12/2018 10:41 PM »
Cancelling WFirst would be a shame. Hope that Congress doesn't go along with that.

Don't agree. WFIRST was an out of control program that was on a path to become son of JWST budget and schedule-wise... and producing even less cutting edge science in the process.

Back to the drawing board for the next decadal review.  Maybe this time, the product designed will more closely reflect the original scientific intent, timeline, and budget of the review.

Full disclosure: I am an astronomer/astrophysicist.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #10 on: 02/12/2018 11:51 PM »
“State of NASA” Events Highlight Agency Goals for Space Exploration:



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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #11 on: 02/13/2018 05:48 AM »
Below is the teleconference with NASA’s acting Chief Financial Officer Andrew Hunter:

The slides are available here:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_fy_2019_budget_overview.pdf




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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #13 on: 02/13/2018 11:00 AM »
Cancelling WFirst would be a shame. Hope that Congress doesn't go along with that.

Don't agree. WFIRST was an out of control program that was on a path to become son of JWST budget and schedule-wise... and producing even less cutting edge science in the process.

Back to the drawing board for the next decadal review.  Maybe this time, the product designed will more closely reflect the original scientific intent, timeline, and budget of the review.

Full disclosure: I am an astronomer/astrophysicist.

I am surprised you didn’t suggest it be turned into a commercial program with of course Space X winning the contract.

No, but I do like the idea of a significant reduction of NASA's 'footprint.'
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #14 on: 02/13/2018 11:09 AM »
Cancelling WFirst would be a shame. Hope that Congress doesn't go along with that.

Don't agree. WFIRST was an out of control program that was on a path to become son of JWST budget and schedule-wise... and producing even less cutting edge science in the process.

Back to the drawing board for the next decadal review.  Maybe this time, the product designed will more closely reflect the original scientific intent, timeline, and budget of the review.

Full disclosure: I am an astronomer/astrophysicist.

I am surprised you didn’t suggest it be turned into a commercial program with of course Space X winning the contract.

No, but I do like the idea of a significant reduction of NASA's 'footprint.'

I was debating about posting my original comment but in the end decided to as I am fed up with seeing the perception incorrectly replicated online that NASA has this huge footprint that somehow stifles the commercial sector. When in fact without the money provided by NASA through their commercial partnerships companies such as Space X wouldn’t be where they are now. Something that certain commercial sector supporters seem to have a convenient mind blank on.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #15 on: 02/13/2018 11:45 AM »
NASA's money is good, no doubt, especially if you are starting a new rocketry business in the established NASA/NSS marketplace.  Problem is that too many out there are beholden to that cash flow and are compelled to admire the Emperor's new clothes.

NASA could do well with smaller headcount and fewer political demands on its funding -- SLS/Orion is a prime example.  A significant headcount (and center) reduction is long overdue.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #16 on: 02/13/2018 01:08 PM »
Eric Berger's sixth installment describes the rich NASA history as background for where we are today:
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Meanwhile, NASA's overhead costs have risen so high, and its plodding pace of development for new spaceflight hardware takes so long, that there is no funding left over to actually put new vehicles into use for human missions to the Moon, or to Mars—and no sense of urgency to do so, either. Warring fiefdoms weigh heavily on progress. Often, key spaceflight centers in Texas, Alabama, Florida, and California, along with their elected officials, squabble over funding and control, echoing the dynamic that dates to 1965 and Wernher von Braun's concerns for more work for Marshall Space Flight Center.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/the-greatest-leap-part-6-after-apollo-nasa-still-searching-for-an-encore/

We can continue to do the same things, over and over for the next decades... but must abandon all hope that this will produce different results (unless we are completely insane).  This budget battle will again be 'a squabble over funding and control' and the incumbents have all the political cards.

Only a restructured NASA with a renewed purpose (and smaller 'footprint') will be able to lead or even participate in a human exploration effort.  My bets are on it happening largely without them -- as a taxpayer, I'd prefer to see NASA slimmed down to fighting weight and again in the ring, but that's too great of a fantasy.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #17 on: 02/13/2018 04:31 PM »
Eric Berger's sixth installment describes the rich NASA history as background for where we are today:
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Meanwhile, NASA's overhead costs have risen so high, and its plodding pace of development for new spaceflight hardware takes so long, that there is no funding left over to actually put new vehicles into use for human missions to the Moon, or to Mars—and no sense of urgency to do so, either. Warring fiefdoms weigh heavily on progress. Often, key spaceflight centers in Texas, Alabama, Florida, and California, along with their elected officials, squabble over funding and control, echoing the dynamic that dates to 1965 and Wernher von Braun's concerns for more work for Marshall Space Flight Center.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/the-greatest-leap-part-6-after-apollo-nasa-still-searching-for-an-encore/

We can continue to do the same things, over and over for the next decades... but must abandon all hope that this will produce different results (unless we are completely insane).  This budget battle will again be 'a squabble over funding and control' and the incumbents have all the political cards.

Only a restructured NASA with a renewed purpose (and smaller 'footprint') will be able to lead or even participate in a human exploration effort.  My bets are on it happening largely without them -- as a taxpayer, I'd prefer to see NASA slimmed down to fighting weight and again in the ring, but that's too great of a fantasy.

The only fantasy is that NASA is too big. In fact NASA is tiny in the grand scheme of things and takes a tiny share of the federal budget. It has also time and again been recognised as one of the most efficient agencies.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #18 on: 02/13/2018 06:57 PM »
...

The only fantasy is that NASA is too big. In fact NASA is tiny in the grand scheme of things and takes a tiny share of the federal budget. It has also time and again been recognised as one of the most efficient agencies.

Could it be that the USG is too big when 'a tiny share' is twenty billion dollars and being 'one of the most efficient agencies' might not mean that you are anything close to efficient?  But I am getting a glimpse of that new set of clothes...
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #19 on: 02/13/2018 07:19 PM »
A reminder that a thriving thread for WFIRST exists:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39248.0
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #20 on: 02/13/2018 11:08 PM »
One of the interesting thing that this budget does is that it refocuses NASA on exploration as opposed to just a science agency. We have debated the merit of this in other threads but it seems that the administration has decided that this is the direction that they want to take. For the most part, it seems that NASA will essentially be doing the same things (SLS, Orion, Space Technology, etc.) in rebranded programs. But it will likely affect what future programs are pursued. 

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« Reply #21 on: 02/13/2018 11:17 PM »
The sad part is that it is nearly a flat line budget in the out years, meaning no adjustment for inflation, and reduced 'actual' working capital.

How NASA is expected to make these dreams a reality is beyond me.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #22 on: 02/13/2018 11:51 PM »
The sad part is that it is nearly a flat line budget in the out years, meaning no adjustment for inflation, and reduced 'actual' working capital.

How NASA is expected to make these dreams a reality is beyond me.

The budget deal is only for 2 years. What will happen after that is anybody's guess. In other words, the numbers for the out years shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Incidentally, updated FY19 budget numbers are supposed to come out tomorrow that reflect the recent budget deal.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #23 on: 02/14/2018 04:29 PM »
The sad part is that it is nearly a flat line budget in the out years, meaning no adjustment for inflation, and reduced 'actual' working capital.

How NASA is expected to make these dreams a reality is beyond me.

If NASA got out of the launch-vehcle business, which it doesn't seem to be very good at, and instead bought launch services, it could do more with less.

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« Reply #24 on: 02/15/2018 12:16 AM »
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #25 on: 02/15/2018 01:00 AM »
The sad part is that it is nearly a flat line budget in the out years, meaning no adjustment for inflation, and reduced 'actual' working capital.

How NASA is expected to make these dreams a reality is beyond me.

If NASA got out of the launch-vehcle business, which it doesn't seem to be very good at, and instead bought launch services, it could do more with less.

The way government works, they would just reduce the amount they give NASA...
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #26 on: 02/15/2018 12:12 PM »
The sad part is that it is nearly a flat line budget in the out years, meaning no adjustment for inflation, and reduced 'actual' working capital.

How NASA is expected to make these dreams a reality is beyond me.

If NASA got out of the launch-vehcle business, which it doesn't seem to be very good at, and instead bought launch services, it could do more with less.

The way government works, they would just reduce the amount they give NASA...

Fine with me.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #27 on: 02/16/2018 06:24 AM »
President Trump wants his moonshot without paying for it

http://spacenews.com/president-trump-wants-his-moonshot-without-paying-for-it/

The linked article is an analysis of how this president's space goal will likely go nowhere, like those of nearly all presidents before him.

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NASA’s topline budget will be flat for the foreseeable future — which means an effective decrease in real dollar funding for the agency. As a result, President Trump may see his Moon plans come crashing down to Earth.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #28 on: 02/16/2018 07:46 PM »
He seems to be advocating for an increase in NASA's budget which seems unlikely and unncessary.

He also criticizes the 5 year freeze but as I said above, the 5 year freeze is because the budget deal only covers 2 years. I would take that 5 year freeze with a grain of salt.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #29 on: 02/16/2018 07:51 PM »
My bets are on it happening largely without them -

you would lose

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« Reply #30 on: 02/16/2018 09:45 PM »
My bets are on it happening largely without them -

you would lose
Some commercial space companies have had some successes in space, that's great, good for them.  The pivot to commercializing space is a natural direction for humans.  But some people are ready to burn down the establishment that allowed/provided/supported and continues to support them during the "trials and tribulations" of spaceflight. 
According to my hearing, all appears great as evidenced by the chorus of applause and jeers of excitement as these modern milestones in space are played out.  Through all this acoustic stimulation, I am able to sense something else, not unappreciation, but perhaps underappreciation of hesternal achievement in space.  Though the "flavour" is slight, it IS there.  It's akin to someone making some tea, and after the "perfect" 4 minute steep, they wring the daylights out of the teabag.  Such actions leave a "bitter" taste in my mouth. 
Without NASA and the people working within(past, present, future) there would be very little spaceflight related activity, to be tasted or to be heard.


I remember the NASA budget graphs that showed the massive amounts of budget that would be available for use after Shuttle was T&R'd.  Some of the graphs were more than 1/2 Shuttle related.
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« Reply #31 on: 02/17/2018 08:46 AM »
My bets are on it happening largely without them -

you would lose

Careful there Jim. That is your opinion, and your opinion only. Much like AncientU's opinion is his only.
You might wanna try adding "IMO" to your posts.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #32 on: 02/18/2018 09:21 PM »
Seems to me I have heard this song before... or a similar tune, in 2009-10... I panicked then, but I won't panic now... The ebb and flow of support for Science / Exploration will swing with the pendulum of time, and we will see a return to science... Keep Calm and Carry On :D This is just a bit of Scotch Mist...
as for WFIRST, wasn't it a mothballed program to begin with... so worst comes to worst, it will be put back into storage, waiting for better days..
Science, well, there will be some science that will have to be done regardless, so perhaps the private sector can step up to the plate.... just as Cities did after America abandoned the Paris Climate Accord
American / World's capacity for ingenuity is quite large.. Now where is "Radar" O'Reilly when you need him???
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« Reply #33 on: 02/19/2018 06:33 AM »
Now where is "Radar" O'Reilly when you need him???

He is either out fishing or collecting stamps.

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« Reply #34 on: 02/19/2018 02:51 PM »
Seems to me I have heard this song before... or a similar tune, in 2009-10... I panicked then, but I won't panic now... The ebb and flow of support for Science / Exploration will swing with the pendulum of time, and we will see a return to science... Keep Calm and Carry On :D This is just a bit of Scotch Mist...
as for WFIRST, wasn't it a mothballed program to begin with... so worst comes to worst, it will be put back into storage, waiting for better days..
Science, well, there will be some science that will have to be done regardless, so perhaps the private sector can step up to the plate.... just as Cities did after America abandoned the Paris Climate Accord
American / World's capacity for ingenuity is quite large.. Now where is "Radar" O'Reilly when you need him???

Science isn't being cut. There is less priority on climate change but that is about it. The Trump administration tried to cut the same climate change missions last year but it didn't work. Appropriation bills need Democratic support in the Senate (60 votes are required). So Earth science ends up not being cut at all. 
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« Reply #35 on: 02/19/2018 08:26 PM »
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According to the White House proposed FY 2019 #NASA budget Mars Opportunity Rover funding ends in 588 days. nasa.gov/sites/default/… @MarsRovers @NASA

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/965693354058055680

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« Reply #36 on: 02/20/2018 05:22 AM »
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According to the White House proposed FY 2019 #NASA budget Mars Opportunity Rover funding ends in 588 days. nasa.gov/sites/default/… @MarsRovers @NASA

https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/965693354058055680

Notice that NASA support to Mars Express ends in FY 2020 and Mars Odyssey in FY 2021.
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« Reply #37 on: 02/21/2018 08:36 PM »
This is exactly the wrong time to retreat from space

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On July 20, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin bounded across the lunar surface as Michael Collins orbited above. We now sail across our solar system. Rovers gambol on Mars, the Cassini spacecraft just plunged through a gap in the rings of Saturn, and the Voyager spacecraft soars into interstellar space, more than 13 billion miles away, still sending back signals to Earth.

But proposed budgets drastically cut support for telescopes that tell us about the universe’s origins and spacecraft that trace the changes on our home planet. And the United States has stood on the sidelines as nations across the world develop the next generation of land-based optical observatories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/this-is-exactly-the-wrong-time-to-retreat-from-space/2018/02/20/befd8dd6-15bc-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_story.html

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FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #38 on: 03/07/2018 08:06 PM »
New article from Mr Foust.

House members question balance of NASA programs in 2019 budget proposal

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A particular area of concern for Bera was the plan in the budget proposal to cancel the Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope, or WFIRST, the next flagship astrophysics missions at NASA after the James Webb Space Telescope. WFIRST, he noted, was the top priority large mission in the 2010 astrophysics decadal survey, where astronomers prioritized mission concepts for the next decade.

“The decadal survey has served us well, and not looking at this scientific-based prioritization and moving away from that can certainty set a dangerous precedent,” Bera said.

Lightfoot tried to downplay the effects of the proposed cancellation on astrophysics research. Asked later in the hearing by Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) about the consequences of not flying WFIRST, Lightfoot suggested other missions, including the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) scheduled to launch in April, could fill in.

“We’re counting on TESS and James Webb to fill the astrophysics needs for quite a bit of time,” he said, but acknowledged there would be a “gap” in data. “To the astrophysics community, that’s a challenge from a scientific perspective.”

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Babin also reminded Lightfoot that NASA had yet to deliver both the ISS transition plan and an exploration roadmap required by last year’s NASA authorization bill. Those documents were supposed to be delivered to Congress last December. Lightfoot later said that the exploration roadmap should be delivered by the end of the month.

http://spacenews.com/house-members-question-balance-of-nasa-programs-in-2019-budget-proposal/
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #39 on: 03/07/2018 11:22 PM »
Hearing - An Overview of the NASA Budget for Fiscal Year 2019
House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology
Wednesday, March 7, 2018
Witness: Mr. Robert M. Lightfoot Jr., acting administrator, NASA
https://science.house.gov/legislation/hearings/subcommittee-space-overview-national-aeronautics-and-space-administration

Here is the archived video (starts at 25m):

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #40 on: 04/13/2018 02:32 AM »
FY 2019 Budget Hearing - National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:00 AM in H-309, The Capitol
Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies

Witness
Robert M. Lightfoot
Acting Administrator 
NASA

https://appropriations.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=395214

Here is the archived video (starts at 7m):

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #41 on: 04/14/2018 02:03 PM »
One important thing that Lightfoot mentioned at 1h28 and 1h46 of the Hearing above is that NASA is considering spacing out some of the upcoming purchased Soyuz flights (which would mean extended stays for the astronauts) in order to make sure that there is no gap between the remaining purchased Soyuz seats and commercial crew.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #42 on: 04/14/2018 02:38 PM »
Concerning the future of the ISS, Lightfoot said that the plan after 2025 was for NASA to buy habitat services from a commercial company. This could be done by a company commercializing the ISS or by buying services from a company that has its own commercial habitat module. He also said that there was some flexibility as to the exact date when this will happen (could be 2026, for example), depending on when habitat services from commercial companies would be available.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #43 on: 04/14/2018 02:41 PM »
Lightfoot also said that the Europa clipper could fly on EM-2 if it is ready by that time. He also said that it could use the iCPS.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #44 on: 04/15/2018 04:54 PM »

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #45 on: 05/09/2018 01:01 AM »
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #46 on: 05/09/2018 02:06 AM »
Quote from: House FY19 CJS Appropriations bill summary
National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) –

NASA is funded at $21.5 billion, $810 million above the 2018 enacted level. This funding includes:

$5.1 billion for Deep Space Exploration Systems – $294 million above the fiscal year 2018 enacted level. This includes funding to continue the development of the Orion crew vehicle, Space Launch System, and related ground systems.

$6.7 billion for NASA Science programs – $459 million above the fiscal year 2018 enacted level. This targets funding to planetary and other sciences to ensure the continuation of groundbreaking scientific missions.

The bill fully funds the requested amounts for robotic and human exploration of the moon, including $504.2 million for the lunar orbital platform; $116.5 million for advanced lunar and surface capabilities; $218 million for planetary science, including rovers and science instruments; and $150 million for commercial low-earth orbit development.

https://appropriations.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=395291
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #47 on: 05/09/2018 11:48 PM »
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #48 on: 05/09/2018 11:49 PM »

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #49 on: 05/19/2018 03:23 AM »
House CJS Appropriations report (NASA starts at page 57):
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AP/AP00/20180517/108330/HRPT-115-HR.pdf
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #50 on: 05/19/2018 03:33 AM »
It doesn't cancel WFirst:

Quote from: page 64 of the Report
Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope (WFIRST).—The recommendation includes $150,000,000 for WFIRST, which was included as the first priority in the 2010 Astrophysics Decadal Survey. The Committee is concerned about the growing cost of the prime mission as noted by a recent independent examination. To reduce mission costs and ensure that overlap with James Webb Space Telescope is maximized, NASA should implement the most efficient development program for the telescope and its instruments. Further, to enhance the cost effectiveness of science operations, NASA shall leverage more extensively the experience acquired on Hubble, Spitzer, and Wise. The recommended amount shall include continued development of the chronograph as a technology demonstration mission. Further, within amounts provided for WFIRST, $20,000,000 is for continued development of the Starshade technology demonstration effort. The Committee understands that WFIRST is already ‘‘Starshade-ready’’ within the $3,200,000,000 cost cap. The Starshade, in tandem with WFIRST, will enable NASA to identify the nearest Earth-like planet around the nearest star, and thereby identify a target or multiple targets for the interstellar mission NASA has been developing.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #51 on: 05/23/2018 09:27 PM »
Not sure if this belongs here or in the Bridenstine thread but he testified today before Senate Appropriations on the FY19 budget request:

https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/hearings/watch?hearingid=95932B63-5056-A066-60A8-2ADF97345C4F
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #53 on: 05/24/2018 09:40 PM »
It was an interesting hearing, much better (i.e. less acrimonious) than his confirmation hearing. A number of Democratic Senator made Bridenstine state that his views on Earth science have "evolved" and that he now believes that human activity is the "leading cause" for carbon emissions that create climate changes.

Bridenstine spoke about James Webb, he said that NASA may need to ask for more than the cap of $8B (will know for sure in June). He spoke of WFirst. He said that it was not canceled since it was funded in the FY18 Appropriations bill but that NASA had some concerns of creating another expensive Webb-like project that would prevent other smaller projects from being funded.   Most of the other questions by Senators were very specific to their state.

In summary, Bridenstine was well prepared for the hearing but he didn't announce anything that we didn't already know. 
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #55 on: 05/25/2018 04:57 PM »
A number of Democratic Senator made Bridenstine state that his views on Earth science have "evolved" and that he now believes that human activity is the "leading cause" for carbon emissions that create climate changes.

And one Democratic senator has given Bridenstine credit for his evolution.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #57 on: 06/19/2018 10:28 PM »
Report of the Senate CJS Appropriations Committee for FY2019 budget:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-115srpt275/pdf/CRPT-115srpt275.pdf

(Edited copy with only front page and NASA pages attached)

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #58 on: 06/20/2018 02:22 AM »
Some highlights:

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WFIRST.—The Committee rejects the proposal to cancel this mission which was the highest priority of the most recent Astrophysics decadal survey to settle fundamental questions about the nature of dark energy and has provided $352,000,000 for WFIRST to be developed on a timeline that allows a 2025 launch date. The Committee is concerned about the growing cost of the prime mission and expects NASA to use a firm $3,200,000,000 mission cost cap in its future planning of the mission. To reduce mission costs and ensure that overlap with the James Webb Space Telescope is maximized, NASA should implement the most efficient development program for the telescope and its instruments.

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Nuclear Propulsion.—NASA is continuing its work to develop the foundational technologies and advance low-enriched uranium nuclear thermal propulsion systems that can provide significantly faster trip times for crewed missions than non-nuclear options. Not less than $75,000,000 shall be expended to support the development and demonstration of a nuclear thermal propulsion system. Within 180 days of the enactment of this act, NASA, in conjunction with other relevant Federal departments and agencies shall submit a multi-year plan that enables a demonstration no later than 2024 and describes future missions and propulsion and power systems enabled by this capability.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #59 on: 06/20/2018 02:26 AM »
Other highlights of the report:

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Advanced Exploration Systems [AES].—The Committee provides $1,043,700,000 for AES. Within these amounts, $504,200,000 is for development of the Lunar Orbital Platform in support of development of the initial power and propulsion element. The Committee is supportive of the Human Research Program, but does not agree with NASA’s proposed move of this activity and other activities funded in this account in fiscal year 2018 into Space Technology and instead provides funding for this activity within AES.

Advanced Cislunar and Surface Capabilities [ACSC].—The Committee provides $116,500,000 for ACSC. As NASA embarks on a return to the Moon as part of its larger human exploration strategy, the need for the development of a range of lander technologies to support such missions is critical. Small and medium-sized landers will be needed for exploration activities while building up to larger landers and eventually human ascent vehicles. NASA should ensure that its investments in this account and in science are coordinated and that between the two accounts, the agency is pursuing the development of landers of varying sizes and capabilities so as to meet its long-term science and exploration goals. Public-private partnerships [PPPs] with U.S. commercial space companies could help expedite development of lunar landers, including development of hardware, propulsion, communications, and software necessary for lunar landing vehicles, and NASA is encouraged to use firm fixed-price partnerships with PPPs, as appropriate. To ensure that landers in a range of sizes are a part of ACSC, NASA shall allocate $25,000,000 within its lunar lander demonstration program in fiscal year 2019 to meet the goal of delivering medium to large payloads to the lunar surface by 2023.

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #60 on: 06/20/2018 02:29 AM »
More highlights from the Senate Report:

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Commercial Low-Earth Orbit Development [LEO].—The Committee supports maintaining the International Space Station [ISS] with direct Federal funding beyond 2025 until a viable alternative exists to achieve NASA’s objectives in LEO. The Committee supports public-private partnerships to advance commercial capabilities in LEO, particularly those involving in-kind contributions by NASA, such as making a docking node on the ISS available for partnership opportunities. The agreement provides $40,000,000 for port implementation analysis and power augmentation studies necessary to enable potential future commercial activities at the ISS.
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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #61 on: 09/29/2018 01:59 AM »
A CR and a mini-bus was signed into law today (CJS which includes NASA is under a CR):
https://appropriations.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=395419

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #62 on: 09/29/2018 08:43 PM »
More highlights from the Senate Report:

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Commercial Low-Earth Orbit Development [LEO].—The Committee supports maintaining the International Space Station [ISS] with direct Federal funding beyond 2025 until a viable alternative exists to achieve NASA’s objectives in LEO.

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what are "NASA’s objectives in LEO"?

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The Committee supports public-private partnerships to advance commercial capabilities in LEO, particularly those involving in-kind contributions by NASA, such as making a docking node on the ISS available for partnership opportunities. The agreement provides $40,000,000 for port implementation analysis and power augmentation studies necessary to enable potential future commercial activities at the ISS.

This one is interesting, since it implies that some degree of future commercial interest would be moderated by a lack of physical access to the ISS.

I wonder if they have actual examples of such interest, or they are just trying to make sure the ISS is as available as possible for potential commercial users?
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Re: FY19 NASA Budget Request
« Reply #63 on: 10/10/2018 06:08 PM »
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but what are "NASA’s objectives in LEO"?

NASA's ISS Transition report addresses their ongoing requirements in LEO, albeit vaguely: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/iss_transition_report_180330.pdf

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This one is interesting, since it implies that some degree of future commercial interest would be moderated by a lack of physical access to the ISS.

I wonder if they have actual examples of such interest, or they are just trying to make sure the ISS is as available as possible for potential commercial users?

Axiom has been arguing for some time - going back to the Obama administration IIRC - for NASA to make a "spare" ISS port available for a company to attach a commercial module to. The idea would be to start with a commercial module attached to ISS then evolve to a dedicated commercial platform. I think other companies are interested as well - perhaps Bigelow and/or Nanoracks.

I can't remember which hearing it was, but recently Suffredini expressed some frustration in congressional testimony that NASA has yet to decide or announce how they would competitively award such an opportunity after years of talking about it. 

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