Author Topic: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : Feb 6, 2018 : Discussion Thread 2  (Read 598044 times)

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Though fully hoping for the launch to be today, we all know full well there’s also a high likelihood of a scrub. There’s a lot riding on this launch, and I mean beyond SpaceX - a lot of folks have converged to watch this historic event and not everyone has the luxury of extending their stay to accommodate a scrub.

So... what’s the likelihood of this happening?
Probably the same it was for the static fire... So good I guess...
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Though fully hoping for the launch to be today, we all know full well there’s also a high likelihood of a scrub. There’s a lot riding on this launch, and I mean beyond SpaceX - a lot of folks have converged to watch this historic event and not everyone has the luxury of extending their stay to accommodate a scrub.

So... what’s the likelihood of this happening?
Probably the same it was for the static fire... So good I guess...

Should be better than the static fire. The whole point of the static fire is to show that everything is working for the launch.

There's still a good chance of a scrub, they can't control the weather or wayward boats, and they might run into something odd during the countdown. But they've already done everything except release the hold down clamps.

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#SpaceX spokesperson says the company credentialed around 400 members of the media today. #FalconHeavy

https://twitter.com/spacebrendan/status/960901006438658049

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Extended coasting allows the upper stage to circularize the orbit at apogee.  So, instead of delivering to a transfer orbit where the payload has to finish raising the orbit and circularizing, the upper stage does it all and injects the payload into a full direct GEO or direct MEO (Semi-Sychronous orbit).

The different EELV reference orbits can be found HERE
That makes sense, thanks. So the six hours is kind of a placeholder where IF we were going to GEO, we would be using that time to move to the final position?

What would a failure look like in this (FH Demo) case? Let's say we get to orbit, no problem. Start the coast phase and then BAM? Something goes wrong while coasting? I guess I am saying this (coasting) sounds easy, but I know it isn't easy.
In this case, failure would most likely just look like the upper stage failing to ignite for the final burn that is supposed to send it on its hyperbolic, escape trajectory.  In that case, based on the more informed deductions of posters like Lou, jcm, and others, it would be left in an elliptical Earth orbit with a ~6 hour period. 
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01:00 UTC is an hour and a half after local sunset in Ecuador.  If the burn goes as expected [big IF] it ought to be spectacular and astronomy clubs there [and  in parts southeast along the track where any fuel dump will occur] ought to be notified of the possibility NOW.
« Last Edit: 02/06/2018 03:16 pm by JimO »

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I see venting!

are you on-site or do you have some stream you're looking at?

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And the update thread keeps adding stuff faster than I can hit refresh!

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I'm no expert for the stratosphere or jetstreams, but looking at https://www.windy.com/ it seems that the upper level winds will shift from "crosswind" more towards the flight direction later in the launch window.
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So what's the duration of these proceedings - from liftoff to Trans-Mars Injection? About 13 hours?
Any timeline available on the internet?

« Last Edit: 02/06/2018 04:13 pm by sanman »

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So what's the duration of these proceedings - from liftoff to Trans-Mars Injection? About 13 hours?



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So what's the duration of these proceedings - from liftoff to Trans-Mars Injection? About 13 hours?
Any timeline available on the internet?
Closer to 7. TMI is 6 hours after the second burn, and the second burn is no more than an hour after liftoff.

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Though fully hoping for the launch to be today, we all know full well there’s also a high likelihood of a scrub. There’s a lot riding on this launch, and I mean beyond SpaceX - a lot of folks have converged to watch this historic event and not everyone has the luxury of extending their stay to accommodate a scrub.

So... what’s the likelihood of this happening?
Probably the same it was for the static fire... So good I guess...

Should be better than the static fire. The whole point of the static fire is to show that everything is working for the launch.

There's still a good chance of a scrub, they can't control the weather or wayward boats, and they might run into something odd during the countdown. But they've already done everything except release the hold down clamps.
My statement holds true when I made it earlier since the WX was go at the time. Check my WX update posting... Lose the "negative energy" it's bad for you... ;)
« Last Edit: 02/06/2018 04:16 pm by Rocket Science »
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This is quite popular among general folk. My brother in Wisconsin just texted me saying,

 "My office is playing David Bowie music and will be showing the Falcon Heavy launch in the main presentation room on a 20ft screen".

He doesn't work in any industry related to space.
« Last Edit: 02/06/2018 04:17 pm by mlindner »
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It's a beautiful day for a rocket launch from my favorite launchpad. #FalconHeavy

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Has any mention been made of the payload mass for this mission?  I presume that, in addition to the roadster, there would be some additional dummy load.

 - Ed Kyle
The dummy in the drivers seat...
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Is the window timing tomorrow the same as today? Trying to schedule meetings, just in case...

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They're slipping minute by minute right now, won't let it cross the 2h threshold.  Not getting a warm fuzzy the wind situation is improving.

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How often do they send up weather balloons? Every 15 min?

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Curious how the LTE coverage is around the cape today. I was there a few years ago for a launch (the wayward boat launch that got scrubbed) and the service was really bad right around T-0 when everyone was trying to figure out what was going on.


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How often do they send up weather balloons? Every 15 min?

They are a couple hours apart

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