Author Topic: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : Feb 6, 2018 : Discussion Thread 2  (Read 598000 times)

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It's art.

(And I'm getting a wide variety of critical responses on it as I'm showing people right now in Silicon Valley.)
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Uploaded on 5 Feb 2018 When Falcon Heavy lifts off, it will be the most powerful operational rocket in the world by a factor of two.  With the ability to lift into orbit nearly 64 metric tons (141,000 lb)---a mass greater than a 737 jetliner loaded with passengers, crew, luggage and fuel--Falcon Heavy can lift more than twice the payload of the next closest operational vehicle, the Delta IV Heavy, at one-third the cost.

Falcon Heavy's first stage is composed of three Falcon 9 nine-engine cores whose 27 Merlin engines together generate more than 5 million pounds of thrust at liftoff, equal to approximately eighteen 747 aircraft.

Following liftoff, the two side boosters separate from the center core and return to landing sites for future reuse.  The center core, traveling further and faster than the side boosters, also returns for reuse, but lands on a drone ship located in the Atlantic Ocean.

At max velocity the Roadster will travel 11 km/s (7mi/s) and travel 400 million km (250 million mi) from Earth. 

Falcon Heavy was designed from the outset to carry humans into space and restores the possibility of flying missions with crew to the Moon or Mars.

There are so many things wrong in that video...

* No FSS? 
* One engine boostback burns?
* Flip, boostback and landing happen at the same time for both boosters?
* Roadster separates from the second stage?
* Close flyby of Mars?

just to name a few...

I'm sure to save time they just took most of the video from previous Falcon heavy animation videos.
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There are so many things wrong in that video...

* No FSS? 
Musk borrowed some hardware from the Romulans.   It stays cloaked until the vehicle clears the tower.   See around 0:53 in the video for its first appearance.


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Whoever rendered the video may have not made that object group visible at first by accident, then after the render it was too late to fix it. Happens.
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 Think of this video as a Docudrama, not a Documentary. But seriously, who cares. Everything about this event is wonderfully epic.
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It's art.

Of course.  But you would be seriously mistaken to think that us space nerds won't pick over every detail anyway ;)

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Elon to hold a media event at 3:30 p.m. EST - per an e-mail from SpaceX.

Is there a link to where we can watch or listen to this media event?

Probably not.  It'll be for media onsite at KSC.  NSF's Chris Gebhardt is there so we'll hear about any new news right way, right here.  And all those reporters will then immediately file stories, so you'll read about it within an hour or two.  Don't know if reporters are allowed to stream live from the media event.
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Elon to hold a media event at 3:30 p.m. EST - per an e-mail from SpaceX.

Is there a link to where we can watch or listen to this media event?

Probably not.  It'll be for media onsite at KSC.  NSF's Chris Gebhardt is there so we'll hear about any new news right way, right here.  And all those reporters will then immediately file stories, so you'll read about it within an hour or two.  Don't know if reporters are allowed to stream live from the media event.
I belive most of them will be tweeting instantly all what they hear during the presser, articles will be posted later on.

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In short:
 * All liked it up to the point that the Roadster appeared.
 * Those who were long term space advocates, didn't like the gimmick
 * Those who were professional advertising, gave ton's of detailed criticism as an ad, being conflicted in what it was selling
 * Those who were in the music industry didn't think the Bowie number worked
 * Those in the financial services industry thought it trivialized the advantages of the booster reuse
 * Those in planetary science got irked when Mars came into view ("it's going to hit MAVEN?", "take out MRO", "planetary protection")
 * Those in aerospace wanted to see a real payload that made that mission worthwhile. (Missed the FSS too.)
 * Those with Tesla's really loved (and only focussed on) the car driving to Mars.
 * Those uncolleged youth also loved it for the thought of driving to Mars.
 * Those younger Gen X going in to venture to pitch this morning, thought it was fantastic, wanted to work it into their pitch.
 * Those in the robotics field ignored the car, focused on the four robotic vehicles as a transport system, loved it as well.
 * Those mathematicians/data scientists ... liked it but were irked by it conveying the math of such a mission all wrong.
 * Those into astronomy noted that the moon is last quarter now, not first quarter, wrong portion of sky.
 * Those who knew about orbital dynamics complained about the impossibility of the trajectory and lack of coast/second burn.

Everyone had an opinion. Most summed it up as an appeal to use commercial space to reach to the moon and Mars to those who voted for the current majority in office.
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At max velocity the Roadster will travel 11 km/s (7mi/s) and travel 400 million km (250 million mi) from Earth. 

Falcon Heavy was designed from the outset to carry humans into space and restores the possibility of flying missions with crew to the Moon or Mars.

Isn't 400m km just shy of Ceres orbit?

400 million km is about the distance that Mars is from Earth, at opposition.

*edit* conjunction. */edit*
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Seems like most already know this answer, but do we have confirmation yet that the Roadster won't seperate from the 2nd stage? That would be disappointing, if so, and kind of rob us of the image of a car floating serenely through the void of space, ready to be observed by future tourist flybys.

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In short:
 * All liked it up to the point that the Roadster appeared.
 * Those who were long term space advocates, didn't like the gimmick
 * Those who were professional advertising, gave ton's of detailed criticism as an ad, being conflicted in what it was selling
 * Those who were in the music industry didn't think the Bowie number worked
 * Those in the financial services industry thought it trivialized the advantages of the booster reuse
 * Those in planetary science got irked when Mars came into view ("it's going to hit MAVEN?", "take out MRO", "planetary protection")
 * Those in aerospace wanted to see a real payload that made that mission worthwhile. (Missed the FSS too.)
 * Those with Tesla's really loved (and only focussed on) the car driving to Mars.
 * Those uncolleged youth also loved it for the thought of driving to Mars.
 * Those younger Gen X going in to venture to pitch this morning, thought it was fantastic, wanted to work it into their pitch.
 * Those in the robotics field ignored the car, focused on the four robotic vehicles as a transport system, loved it as well.
 * Those mathematicians/data scientists ... liked it but were irked by it conveying the math of such a mission all wrong.
 * Those into astronomy noted that the moon is last quarter now, not first quarter, wrong portion of sky.
 * Those who knew about orbital dynamics complained about the impossibility of the trajectory and lack of coast/second burn.

Everyone had an opinion. Most summed it up as an appeal to use commercial space to reach to the moon and Mars to those who voted for the current majority in office.


And one of us 5 years ago thought  this was exactly what SpaceX should do with the first Falcon Heavy, because its awesome. ;)


They should use the flight to test the fairing, and with the same mindset that put the first wheel of cheese in space, under that fairing should be a Tesla roadster. The first car in space and with a reignition of the second stage, the first car in solar orbit or on an escape trajectory out of the solar system. Inside the car, cameras and a telemetry system, powered by the car's lithium ion cells, which should last while a while if low powered enough or indefinitely with solar panels on the hood, roof and rear deck lid. Imagine the marketing and PR buzz.

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In short:
 * All liked it up to the point that the Roadster appeared.
 * Those who were long term space advocates, didn't like the gimmick
 * Those who were professional advertising, gave ton's of detailed criticism as an ad, being conflicted in what it was selling
 * Those who were in the music industry didn't think the Bowie number worked
 * Those in the financial services industry thought it trivialized the advantages of the booster reuse
 * Those in planetary science got irked when Mars came into view ("it's going to hit MAVEN?", "take out MRO", "planetary protection")
 * Those in aerospace wanted to see a real payload that made that mission worthwhile. (Missed the FSS too.)
 * Those with Tesla's really loved (and only focussed on) the car driving to Mars.
 * Those uncolleged youth also loved it for the thought of driving to Mars.
 * Those younger Gen X going in to venture to pitch this morning, thought it was fantastic, wanted to work it into their pitch.
 * Those in the robotics field ignored the car, focused on the four robotic vehicles as a transport system, loved it as well.
 * Those mathematicians/data scientists ... liked it but were irked by it conveying the math of such a mission all wrong.
 * Those into astronomy noted that the moon is last quarter now, not first quarter, wrong portion of sky.
 * Those who knew about orbital dynamics complained about the impossibility of the trajectory and lack of coast/second burn.

Everyone had an opinion. Most summed it up as an appeal to use commercial space to reach to the moon and Mars to those who voted for the current majority in office.


And one of us 5 years ago thought  this was exactly what SpaceX should do with the first Falcon Heavy, because its awesome. ;)


They should use the flight to test the fairing, and with the same mindset that put the first wheel of cheese in space, under that fairing should be a Tesla roadster. The first car in space and with a reignition of the second stage, the first car in solar orbit or on an escape trajectory out of the solar system. Inside the car, cameras and a telemetry system, powered by the car's lithium ion cells, which should last while a while if low powered enough or indefinitely with solar panels on the hood, roof and rear deck lid. Imagine the marketing and PR buzz.
I'm not into gimmicks, very much a functionalist. So I really don't connect with it.

But yes, I gotta hand it to you, you did call it spot on, from the first.

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The real question is, did he just predict it accurately, or did his prediction make its way back to Elon, and he loved the idea....

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....400 million km is about the distance that Mars is from Earth, at opposition.

Opposition is when Mars is closest to the Earth. Varies roughly between 56 and 101 million kilometers depending on where Mars is in its orbit.
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As art, judging by the many replies to Elon's tweet of the video, it has connected with many people.

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....400 million km is about the distance that Mars is from Earth, at opposition.

Opposition is when Mars is closest to the Earth. Varies roughly between 56 and 101 million kilometers depending on where Mars is in its orbit.

Yup, seems I used the opposite term lol. Correct is "conjunction."

Thanks, Douglas
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Think of this video as a Docudrama, not a Documentary. But seriously, who cares. Everything about this event is wonderfully epic.

Absolutely, it has been a long time coming, but think about the evolution of the F9 and SpaceX's capabilities in that time?

It's amazing, now with this bird where can they be in the next few years with reuse, flight rate, Dragon 2. 

What a wonderful time to be a space nut.
Starship, Vulcan and Ariane 6 have all reached orbit.  New Glenn, well we are waiting!

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Thumbnail of mission patch (from someone who put pic of their press pass on social media, which I understand is rather frowned on by security so I won’t link).
Making of the patch: https://www.pscp.tv/STEMX/1yoKMMPomRpKQ

Edit: wrong Link, I think.
Edit 2: Not sure wether this is real or fan art, moved to discussion
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