Author Topic: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : Feb 6, 2018 : Discussion Thread 2  (Read 598035 times)

Offline speedevil

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Yep. Similar to "Why no stars showing". The camera's iris adjusts to the brightest source. A bright source means the iris closes and very little light comes in or the bright source will damage the pick-up (usually a CCD device these days).
- I'm unsure how to properly do this.

Scroll to 2:34:30 .
A fascinating display of lightning over africa, and some african cities, just before sunrise moments later.

The camera seemed to intentionally avoid images much of the time when it may pick up stars, either switching to lit engines, or sunlit views.


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I wonder if it would be possible to collect all the frames from when the earth is centered in the frame, align them, and just get a continuous time lapse of the earth receding. Any takers?


Something like this?

Exactly, thanks! Too bad they don't have footage after the escape burn.

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Edited or not the Starman photos and some launch and landing photos should be sold by Spacex . The Starman photo with the earth fading in the back ground should be on the wall in every science classroom in at least America if not the world.
Don't underestimate the power of that image. My less than interested in space/science/math son who is 13 last night asked how far away is Starman. We did a quick calc and the number really did not matter but the idea it was past the orbit of the moon hit home.

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And Elon showed up at Fishlips... How come no NSFers were there??


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I was able to use the JPL HORIZONS prediction to set up a series of images this morning with Telescope #14 at iTelescope.net' s observatory near Mayhill, NM. I annotated the images accordingly. These are 120-second shots. I know the Star Man has been captured in a few other images elsewhere too, I hope they can be used to refine the orbit.
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OCISLY and tug HAWK are now back in Port... early online pics show no obvious damage...  :)

On edit... link to postings in ASDS thread...
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39766.msg1785872#msg1785872
« Last Edit: 02/08/2018 06:21 pm by John Alan »

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And Elon showed up at Fishlips... How come no NSFers were there??


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They kicked me out at 6pm. SpaceXers starting arriving shortly after I did at around 4:30.  Upstairs and deck were closed to the public. Downstairs remained open until 6. They were expecting 600 plus and it was open bar....

They were also handing out free drink coupons for neighboring establishments to members of the public they turned away.
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And Elon showed up at Fishlips... How come no NSFers were there??
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They were also handing out free drink coupons for neighboring establishments to members of the public they turned away.

Kudos to Fishlips for the friendly customer service action in a potentially difficult situation.

I've known of restaurants where management would have pointed to the "closed for private party" sign and then, in so many words, told them "Sorry, you're just SOL."
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FYI, this is the second camera feed in the SpaceX YouTube video that was posted post flight. You can toggle between the two and they stay in sync.

Haven’t noticed this being posted:

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This is a static camera angle in @SpaceX Mission Control in Hawthorne of the #FalconHeavy launch.  Go to the 29-minute mark for just before launch. @GwynneShotwell's reactions in the front row are priceless.

https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/961663689249230850



FYI, this is the second camera feed in the SpaceX YouTube video that was posted post flight. You can toggle between the two and they stay in sync.

Haven’t noticed this being posted:

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This is a static camera angle in @SpaceX Mission Control in Hawthorne of the #FalconHeavy launch.  Go to the 29-minute mark for just before launch. @GwynneShotwell's reactions in the front row are priceless.

https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/961663689249230850



FYI, this is the second camera feed in the SpaceX YouTube video that was posted post flight. You can toggle between the two and they stay in sync.

Haven’t noticed this being posted:

Quote
This is a static camera angle in @SpaceX Mission Control in Hawthorne of the #FalconHeavy launch.  Go to the 29-minute mark for just before launch. @GwynneShotwell's reactions in the front row are priceless.

https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/961663689249230850



I’m sorry I’m a dolt but how does one toggle as is being discussed?  I’m really sorry I’m so dense.

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I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on what the likely duration of this trip.
A couple of estimates have been "a million year" and "a hundred million years".  But I am not so sure.

The roadster is in an orbit with a period of about 1.6 years.  So every 1.6 years, it will be in the vicinity of Earth's orbit.  Given the relative speed of the Earth and the roadster, it would seem that it has to be within a 12 hour segment of Earth's orbit to be significantly affected.  So, once every 1.6 years it has about a 0.5/365 chance of closing in the right segment of Earth's orbit.  The next factor I will have to guess at.  I would imaging that its orbital plane does not match that of Earths.  So most of the time, it will meet the Earth orbit only in 2 of the 3 dimensions.  So I will guess that the orbital planes are fairly close and it will match well enough in the 3rd dimension about 2% of the time.

So that's one significant interaction every 1.6*365/(0.5*0.02) = about 1 interaction every 60,000 years, about 17 every million years.

That seems to me more like a million year trip than a 100 million year trip.  And if it happens to loose energy relative to the Earth orbit on the first interaction - perhaps a lot less than that.
Depends on orbit inclination. I guess the chance of interaction is much lower than that.
Also Jupiter's disturbance will have an impact, making it less likely to intersect Earth's path.

Probabilistically, the vast majority of inner solar system bodies are eventually either thrown out of the system by Jupiter, or swallowed by the sun.

"Millions of years" is a huge understatement for the former possibility: once the starman is clear of the solar system it will be a long long trip.  Or of course his trip could end more quickly in the sun. "Some say the [starman] will end in fire. Some say in ice," as the poet Robert Frost would have said.

Some rough simulations were done and showed Jupiter to be a major influence within a few thousand years. So I'm with Frost: "Ice. Is also great. And would suffice."

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Similar sound here


Looks like an open field but we don't see what's behind the camera.

I suggest that the answer is in the title of the video you linked.

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(sorry to clog up the Update tread with this - maybe this conversation can be moved in entirety someplace else - or deleted once it's served its purpose...)


First off, I don't think this feature is available on mobile platforms. It must be viewed in on a desktop. On the YouTube video, look to the lower right-hand corner for an icon that looks kinda like a suitcase with the left<-->right arrow inside it. If you click that you will be able to change camera views. In this instance the two views are completely different streams.
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Probabilistically, the vast majority of inner solar system bodies are eventually either thrown out of the system by Jupiter, or swallowed by the sun.

"Millions of years" is a huge understatement for the former possibility: once the starman is clear of the solar system it will be a long long trip.  Or of course his trip could end more quickly in the sun. "Some say the [starman] will end in fire. Some say in ice," as the poet Robert Frost would have said.

Some rough simulations were done and showed Jupiter to be a major influence within a few thousand years. So I'm with Frost: "Ice. Is also great. And would suffice."
If Starman gets thrown out, he could become some other solar system's Oumuamua, or first-found intruder from interstellar space.  That would puzzle their scientists, for sure.

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The C3 of the trajectory shows to be 12km^2/s^2, which seems to be about the minimum for a Mars transfer according to some Porkchop plots I could find. However, the Aphelion of the trajectory is substantially higher than Mars orbit. Could someone explain this? Is it because a difference in inclination?
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Similar sound here


Looks like an open field but we don't see what's behind the camera.

I suggest that the answer is in the title of the video you linked.

Those high pitched noises sound a lot like distant vibration-activated car alarms.

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Apologies if repost. GREAT audio and angle of the booster(s) landing.


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I didn't find this information anywhere: Did the roadster separate from the second stage or is it still attached?
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I didn't find this information anywhere: Did the roadster separate from the second stage or is it still attached?

AFAIK, I'm not sure there is definitive information but consensus is almost certainly they remain attached.  No reason to separate.

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I didn't find this information anywhere: Did the roadster separate from the second stage or is it still attached?

AFAIK, I'm not sure there is definitive information but consensus is almost certainly they remain attached.  No reason to separate.

Plus the aliens that find it will want to know how we got it there :)
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Which side booster has landed on the LZ-2?

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