Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Iridium NEXT Flight 5 : March 30, 2018 @ Vandenberg : Discussion (Read 92071 times)

gongora · « **Reply #80 on:** 03/30/2018 02:07 pm »

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

rockets4life97 · « **Reply #81 on:** 03/30/2018 02:09 pm »

Quote from: gongora on 03/30/2018 02:07 pm

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

Maybe a consequence of starman?

whitelancer64 · « **Reply #82 on:** 03/30/2018 02:17 pm »

VERY nice view of the first stage from the second stage!!

Prettz · « **Reply #83 on:** 03/30/2018 02:18 pm »

A one-engine boostback burn?

Mader Levap · « **Reply #84 on:** 03/30/2018 02:19 pm »

What was that about NOAA? They are proceeding with webcast normally so far...

ChrisN4BSA · « **Reply #85 on:** 03/30/2018 02:19 pm »

Why would NOAA request an end of live coverage?

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #86 on:** 03/30/2018 02:20 pm »

FYI:

Eric Berger
@SciGuySpace
Initial response from NOAA to a query about their restrictions on viewing this launch: "Huh?"

William Harwood
@cbs_spacenews
F9/Iridium5: NOAA public affairs officer says he's not aware of any NOAA restriction on Falcon 9 rocketcam video

Eer · « **Reply #87 on:** 03/30/2018 02:21 pm »

Maybe someone didn't get the license paperwork filed in time for this flight? That would impose a restriction, if they didn't have the license, I suppose.

Brovane · « **Reply #88 on:** 03/30/2018 02:22 pm »

Quote from: ChrisN4BSA on 03/30/2018 02:19 pm

Why would NOAA request an end of live coverage?

I am sure the NSF journalist will get us a answer on why we are having NOAA restrictions now on live video coverage of launches after years of having live video coverage.

envy887 · « **Reply #89 on:** 03/30/2018 02:23 pm »

Quote from: gongora on 03/30/2018 02:07 pm

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

That's rediculous. This is launch telemetry, not remote sensing. Launch telemetry is licensed by the FAA, not by NOAA.

Mader Levap · « **Reply #90 on:** 03/30/2018 02:24 pm »

Quote from: Brovane on 03/30/2018 02:22 pm

Quote from: ChrisN4BSA on 03/30/2018 02:19 pm
Why would NOAA request an end of live coverage?

I am sure the NSF journalist will get us a answer on why we are having NOAA restrictions now on live video coverage of launches after years of having live video coverage.

Or these alleged restrictions always existed but this time SpaceX didn't managed to fill paperwork in time for whatever reason...

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #91 on:** 03/30/2018 02:25 pm »

Quote from: envy887 on 03/30/2018 02:23 pm

Quote from: gongora on 03/30/2018 02:07 pm
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

That's rediculous. This is launch telemetry, not remote sensing. Launch telemetry is licensed by the FAA, not by NOAA.

Well even the NOAA PAO seems to agree with you:

Eric Berger

@SciGuySpace
More from NOAA spox RE today's @SpaceX launch:

"I can only think it's an error. I would double check with them. Happy to follow up here if there is a NOAA connection."

Pete · « **Reply #92 on:** 03/30/2018 02:25 pm »

Quote from: envy887 on 03/30/2018 02:23 pm

Quote from: gongora on 03/30/2018 02:07 pm
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

That's rediculous. This is launch telemetry, not remote sensing. Launch telemetry is licensed by the FAA, not by NOAA.

Possibly relevant that they has to cut the broadcast just 1 second before seco.
I.E. "launch" is ended, vehicle is now "in orbit"

I think I smell a bureaucrat throwing his weight around.
If this was any other country, I would expect that someone had not been paid his routine bribe...

mrhuggy · « **Reply #93 on:** 03/30/2018 02:27 pm »

I think the issue is the rocket cam once in orbit is effective remote sensing, I guess SpaceX and others haven't realised this.

cleonard · « **Reply #94 on:** 03/30/2018 02:27 pm »

Hard to see the launch this morning from my front yard in Santa Clarita just north of Low Angeles. Just a tiny white dot with a minimal trail. Not the big clear contrails of the previous launch.

Couldn't see the second stage at all.

Edit: From other posts there was a con trail. It was just not visible to me as it was under my local horizon.

docmordrid · « **Reply #95 on:** 03/30/2018 02:28 pm »

I smell a SpookSat secondary payload....

clongton · « **Reply #96 on:** 03/30/2018 02:29 pm »

Why would NOAA have any jurisdiction of any kind over a private spacecraft - in space - over international airspace? Over American airspace I might concede the point, but international airspace? That's just wrong!

envy887 · « **Reply #97 on:** 03/30/2018 02:30 pm »

Quote from: Pete on 03/30/2018 02:25 pm

Quote from: envy887 on 03/30/2018 02:23 pm
Quote from: gongora on 03/30/2018 02:07 pm
https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/CRSRA/licenseHome.html

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It is unlawful for any person who is subject to the jurisdiction or control of the United States, directly or through any subsidiary or affiliate to operate a private remote sensing space system without possession of a valid license issued under the Act and the regulations.

Odd that it just became a problem, they've been showing satellite separations on orbit for years now.

That's rediculous. This is launch telemetry, not remote sensing. Launch telemetry is licensed by the FAA, not by NOAA.

Possibly relevant that they has to cut the broadcast just 1 second before seco.
I.E. "launch" is ended, vehicle is now "in orbit"

I think I smell a bureaucrat throwing his weight around.
If this was any other country, I would expect that someone had not been paid his routine bribe...

Telemetry is licensed by the FAA through the duration of the mission, not just until the vehicle hits orbit.

abaddon · « **Reply #98 on:** 03/30/2018 02:32 pm »

Quote from: docmordrid on 03/30/2018 02:28 pm

I smell a SpookSat secondary payload....

More likely, some oversight/regulation changes being implemented due to those troublesome Bees.

kessdawg · « **Reply #99 on:** 03/30/2018 02:32 pm »

Was that Matt Desch doing the countdown?