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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #520 on: 12/26/2017 10:30 PM »
Musk said that if someone went and got it, they could have it.

That's not necessarily a binding statement but it is indicative.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #521 on: 12/26/2017 10:46 PM »
Who knows, we might see it hanging of the ceiling in the Blue Origin factory lobby in a decade. That might ruffle Elonís feathers a bit  ::)

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #522 on: 12/26/2017 11:26 PM »
Musk said that if someone went and got it, they could have it.

That's not necessarily a binding statement but it is indicative.
If the owner explicitly gives it up, then sure...  Not much to argue about...
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #523 on: 12/27/2017 03:04 PM »
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #524 on: 12/27/2017 03:06 PM »
Y'all are missing the point.
If someone has the ability to salvage this...that means someone has developed some awesome spacefaring technology and Elon would be thrilled.

Right now, only one publicly proposed vehicle might have the ability to do something like this...and that's BFR.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #525 on: 12/27/2017 04:23 PM »
If someone has the ability to salvage this...that means someone has developed some awesome spacefaring technology

Not necessarily.  One of the more low tech ways that it could be salvaged would be with side scan sonar, a ROV, and a ship with a crane.   Go Searcher and Go quest should be in good position to get there first if things go that way and other potential salvage ships will initially be outside the exclusion zone - a head start that Elon may have been thinking of when he said others could try salvaging it. This is if things go that way, not saying they will or not, actually hoping for a higher outcome.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #526 on: 12/27/2017 04:36 PM »
If someone has the ability to salvage this...that means someone has developed some awesome spacefaring technology

Not necessarily.  One of the more low tech ways that it could be salvaged would be with side scan sonar, a ROV, and a ship with a crane.   Go Searcher and Go quest should be in good position to get there first if things go that way and other potential salvage ships will initially be outside the exclusion zone - a head start that Elon may have been thinking of when he said others could try salvaging it. This is if things go that way, not saying they will or not, actually hoping for a higher outcome.

Go Searcher and Go Quest are not quite equipped for deep space salvage.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #527 on: 12/27/2017 04:47 PM »
If someone has the ability to salvage this...that means someone has developed some awesome spacefaring technology

Not necessarily.  One of the more low tech ways that it could be salvaged would be with side scan sonar, a ROV, and a ship with a crane.   Go Searcher and Go quest should be in good position to get there first if things go that way and other potential salvage ships will initially be outside the exclusion zone - a head start that Elon may have been thinking of when he said others could try salvaging it. This is if things go that way, not saying they will or not, actually hoping for a higher outcome.

Go Searcher and Go Quest are not quite equipped for deep space salvage.
I think maybe you missed OxCartMark's point...
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #528 on: 12/27/2017 05:35 PM »
If someone has the ability to salvage this...that means someone has developed some awesome spacefaring technology

Not necessarily.  One of the more low tech ways that it could be salvaged would be with side scan sonar, a ROV, and a ship with a crane.   Go Searcher and Go quest should be in good position to get there first if things go that way and other potential salvage ships will initially be outside the exclusion zone - a head start that Elon may have been thinking of when he said others could try salvaging it. This is if things go that way, not saying they will or not, actually hoping for a higher outcome.

Go Searcher and Go Quest are not quite equipped for deep space salvage.
I think maybe you missed OxCartMark's point...
I think OxCartMark is an optimist, if things go that way, you will need a strainer to find and pick up all the pieces.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #529 on: 12/27/2017 06:14 PM »
Space.com appear to have a photo of the Tesla mounted and awaiting closure of the fairing halves...

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #530 on: 12/27/2017 06:27 PM »
Space.com appear to have a photo of the Tesla mounted and awaiting closure of the fairing halves...

Something like this?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44375.msg1763413#msg1763413

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #531 on: 12/29/2017 07:10 AM »
I assume that Elon maintains ownership of the Tesla after its deployed right?  At what point could someone decide to 'salvage' it?

I was initially thinking about a time capsule in the trunk.  But then thought maybe put some things that would appreciate in value.  So that the longer its out there the more valuable they become.  To actually encourage development of commercial technology to rendezvous and retrieve...at the very least as a 'prize'.

Maybe on Elon's death he releases a list of a few things that might encourage retrieval in the distant future?  Hopefully the vehicle itself would be left orbiting in space.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #532 on: 12/29/2017 08:18 AM »
Is there any margin payload is not the roadster? It has been a funny joke, but seriously wtf? Even a tank of water would be more useful, as resource or fuel. And anyway, glasses of the car will break already on static fire test.....

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #533 on: 12/29/2017 09:23 AM »
Is there any margin payload is not the roadster? It has been a funny joke, but seriously wtf? Even a tank of water would be more useful, as resource or fuel. And anyway, glasses of the car will break already on static fire test.....

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Other than that: The Roadster has been treated like any other payload and has spent quite some time on the shaker.
Also, it will take a helluvalot more than launch vibrations to break that laminated windshield.
And there is the fact that the windshield is pretty much the only glass on the roadster. Most (if not all) of the other transparent stuff is plastic.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #534 on: 12/29/2017 07:33 PM »
Does "the shaker" reproduce the acoustic environment of a launch as well as the direct vibrations? I'm not sure if it will matter, it could be the fairings are sufficiently above and insulated from the sound to reduce it to a point it doesn't matter, but I had not considered this before.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #535 on: 12/29/2017 08:47 PM »
Does "the shaker" reproduce the acoustic environment of a launch as well as the direct vibrations? I'm not sure if it will matter, it could be the fairings are sufficiently above and insulated from the sound to reduce it to a point it doesn't matter, but I had not considered this before.

Yes, spacecraft are normally tested for acoustic effects as well as shake.  This can be done in a special acoustic chamber, as shown in Orion service module passes major shake test at NASAís Plum Brook Station.

Or you can build a circle of speakers around the object under test, called Direct Field Acoustic Testing as shown here:  Why Lockheed Martin Is Blasting The Orion Spaceship With 1,500 Speakers.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #536 on: 12/29/2017 11:55 PM »
Is there any margin payload is not the roadster? It has been a funny joke, but seriously wtf? Even a tank of water would be more useful, as resource or fuel.

You seem to not know what this FH launch is about. This is test launch. Tesla is not intended as useful payload. It was either Roadster or block of concrete.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #537 on: 12/30/2017 12:00 AM »
Might have been cheese again!

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #538 on: 12/30/2017 12:01 AM »
Other than that: The Roadster has been treated like any other payload and has spent quite some time on the shaker.
Also, it will take a helluvalot more than launch vibrations to break that laminated windshield.
And there is the fact that the windshield is pretty much the only glass on the roadster. Most (if not all) of the other transparent stuff is plastic.

I wonder how long it will be before his Tesla appears on eBay - buyer collect...
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #539 on: 01/01/2018 02:26 AM »
Other than that: The Roadster has been treated like any other payload and has spent quite some time on the shaker.
Also, it will take a helluvalot more than launch vibrations to break that laminated windshield.
And there is the fact that the windshield is pretty much the only glass on the roadster. Most (if not all) of the other transparent stuff is plastic.

I wonder how long it will be before his Tesla appears on eBay - buyer collect...

LOL, I was actually thinking of listing it.

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