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#480
by
meekGee
on 24 Dec, 2017 13:51
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They need a license for the second stage, not for the roadster.
If there's no footage planned, why even bother launching it in the first place?
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#481
by
Oersted
on 24 Dec, 2017 14:07
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Does SpaceX have access to a big enough vacuum chamber to make sure nothing in the roadster explodes?
No, but they have access to SPACE!
Merry Christmas :-)
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#482
by
WizZifnab
on 24 Dec, 2017 15:04
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I assume that Elon maintains ownership of the Tesla after its deployed right? At what point could someone decide to 'salvage' it?
I was initially thinking about a time capsule in the trunk. But then thought maybe put some things that would appreciate in value. So that the longer its out there the more valuable they become. To actually encourage development of commercial technology to rendezvous and retrieve...at the very least as a 'prize'.
Maybe on Elon's death he releases a list of a few things that might encourage retrieval in the distant future? Hopefully the vehicle itself would be left orbiting in space.
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#483
by
tvg98
on 24 Dec, 2017 15:13
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I assume that Elon maintains ownership of the Tesla after its deployed right? At what point could someone decide to 'salvage' it?
I was initially thinking about a time capsule in the trunk. But then thought maybe put some things that would appreciate in value. So that the longer its out there the more valuable they become. To actually encourage development of commercial technology to rendezvous and retrieve...at the very least as a 'prize'.
Maybe on Elon's death he releases a list of a few things that might encourage retrieval in the distant future? Hopefully the vehicle itself would be left orbiting in space.
If I manage to find the Tesla Roadster in Mars orbit and retrieve it, can I keep it? @elonmusk
Yes
Tweets are not exactly legally binding, but someone's floated the idea to Elon already.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/944783379022540800
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#484
by
Coastal Ron
on 24 Dec, 2017 15:25
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If I manage to find the Tesla Roadster in Mars orbit and retrieve it, can I keep it? @elonmusk
Yes
Tweets are not exactly legally binding, but someone's floated the idea to Elon already.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/944783379022540800
That could create some level of demand to go to Mars (i.e. to retrieve something of potential value). Maybe not a $1B worth, but little by little Musk is likely enticing people to go to Mars...
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#485
by
Comga
on 24 Dec, 2017 16:57
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A dark red, carbon fiber bodied <3 m car in interplanetary space will be nigh on impossible to find.
A car attached to a white, 4 my 6 meter aluminum second stage has a somewhat greater chance.
What would be the advantage of separating other than seeing it drift off?
Given the Elon-logic of launching his car onto space, that may be enough
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#486
by
docmordrid
on 24 Dec, 2017 17:01
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Unless they want to test a higher mass payload adapters separation.
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#487
by
dodo
on 24 Dec, 2017 17:02
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Higher resolution images now released by SpaceX
Is there any reason why the car appears to be slanted on the adapter? Seems like the best way to have it sliding sideways during ascent.
P.S.: On second though, maybe a silly question. Perhaps it's the only way it fits.
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#488
by
meekGee
on 24 Dec, 2017 17:12
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A dark red, carbon fiber bodied <3 m car in interplanetary space will be nigh on impossible to find.
A car attached to a white, 4 my 6 meter aluminum second stage has a somewhat greater chance.
What would be the advantage of separating other than seeing it drift off?
Given the Elon-logic of launching his car onto space, that may be enough
A solar-powered beacon/transponder and a retro-reflector would be much better for locating it at some future date.
And yes, the drift-off shot is half the PR value here.
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#489
by
cscott
on 24 Dec, 2017 17:31
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P.S.: On second though, maybe a silly question. Perhaps it's the only way it fits.
Yeah. I think if you scroll back you can find NSF renders on a slanted orientation from before the Elon reveal, based solely on the published payload volume and the roadster dimensions. (And the fact that the jack points on the bottom frame of the car are the logical lift points.)
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#490
by
Comga
on 24 Dec, 2017 18:10
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P.S.: On second though, maybe a silly question. Perhaps it's the only way it fits.
Yeah. I think if you scroll back you can find NSF renders on a slanted orientation from before the Elon reveal, based solely on the published payload volume and the roadster dimensions. (And the fact that the jack points on the bottom frame of the car are the logical lift points.)
Not true
The roadster fits within a 3.0 meter circle.
Fitting within the dynamic envelope is not the reason for tiliting it.
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#491
by
aero
on 24 Dec, 2017 18:33
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Dimensions of the Tesla Roadster, 2011 - 155″ L x 44″ H
How does that fit into a 3-meter circle? A 4-meter circle, yes.
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#492
by
mme
on 24 Dec, 2017 18:54
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It would make some more sense to me to maximize the publicity for Tesla to launch the new roadster than the old one which is no longer available to buy.
There's no such thing as a new roadster unless you wait until 2020. I think using a new car (for models they are currently making) would be a real blunder given that Teslas tend to have long delivery times.
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#493
by
whatever11235
on 24 Dec, 2017 20:06
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It would make some more sense to me to maximize the publicity for Tesla to launch the new roadster than the old one which is no longer available to buy.
There's no such thing as a new roadster unless you wait until 2020. I think using a new car (for models they are currently making) would be a real blunder given that Teslas tend to have long delivery times.
There is a prototype of new roadster.
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#494
by
Jimmy Murdok
on 24 Dec, 2017 20:15
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The inner fairing is 4,6m the car is 3,946 mm x 1,873 mm. The hypotenuse is 4,367. Clearance is a bit tight but on space technology should be fine.
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#495
by
First Mate Rummey
on 24 Dec, 2017 20:48
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It would make some more sense to me to maximize the publicity for Tesla to launch the new roadster than the old one which is no longer available to buy.
There's no such thing as a new roadster unless you wait until 2020. I think using a new car (for models they are currently making) would be a real blunder given that Teslas tend to have long delivery times.
There is a prototype of new roadster.
Not only a prototype, already tested by some journalists (you can find videos on YouTube), but you can already also reserve it now, and it is quite expensive, so this would really be the right time for sponsoring it:
https://www.tesla.com/roadster?redirect=no
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#496
by
cscott
on 24 Dec, 2017 22:32
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Having built prototype hardware before---no *way* am I launching my only prototype into space. The custom tooling for one off prototypes (before mass production) starts is insanely expensive, and there's only a small number of prototypes so you'd be setting the entire r&d process by months-to-years by losing access to one.
It's a silly idea. The point of a mass simulator is to throw something you don't care about losing. Musk has 7 kids and a Model X as his daily driver. The first gen roadster, a fun toy from his bachelor life, fits the bill as a throwaway payload. The one-and-only next-gen roadster? Not.
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#497
by
Lar
on 24 Dec, 2017 22:46
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That could create some level of demand to go to Mars (i.e. to retrieve something of potential value). Maybe not a $1B worth, but little by little Musk is likely enticing people to go to Mars...
Or to Mars orbit, anyway...
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#498
by
Comga
on 25 Dec, 2017 00:04
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The inner fairing is 4,6m the car is 3,946 mm x 1,873 mm. The hypotenuse is 4,367. Clearance is a bit tight but on space technology should be fine.
There is no “hypotenuse” 😉
From above the car fits nicely in a circle the diameter of its length.
But your conclusion is correct.
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#499
by
garcianc
on 25 Dec, 2017 01:28
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The inner fairing is 4,6m the car is 3,946 mm x 1,873 mm. The hypotenuse is 4,367. Clearance is a bit tight but on space technology should be fine.
There is no “hypotenuse” 😉
From above the car fits nicely in a circle the diameter of its length.
But your conclusion is correct.
I think what Jimmy Murdok meant by hypotenuse is the diagonal, which is more important than the length. ~20cm of clearance (~10cm at each corner) is tight for a non-standard payload sitting atop a rocket that will shake the ground a mile away.