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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #220 on: 12/03/2017 04:56 AM »
Future Tweet. "I really miss my old roadster. I'm gonna go get it!"

Imagine in 10 years or so, should BFR/BFS get up and running, the potential media goldmine of recovering said roadster, bringing it back to earth, and getting it running again!

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #221 on: 12/03/2017 05:31 AM »
I would have offered Bigelow a free ride to space for one of their biggest habs...

I doubt Bigelow has any space-worthy hardware ready to go. It's expensive to build large, complicated hardware and then just have it sit around hoping someone is going to launch it for free.

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...but a car seems like a wasteful indulgence. Ultimately, it's just another piece of space junk to clutter the solar system with.

You have to keep remembering what Musk's goal is - to inspire humanity to move to Mars.

If he can send his roadster there, then people will be more likely to believe that he can move humans there too.

And because this is a test flight, why waste an opportunity?
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #222 on: 12/03/2017 05:37 AM »
The amount of power in the batteries of a Roadster is phenomenal. Once the last S2 firing is accomplished the computer triggers a relay connecting the Roadsters batteries into the S2. This could power the S2 for a very long time. With power the S2 can maintain attitude and communications back to Earth complete with video/images of the Roadster as it gets farther away from Earth especially an image of Earth and the Moon far in the background behind the Roadster would be priceless. A camera mounted as if your the driver looking forward out the windshield would be an amazing shot.

How about a couple mannequins strapped into the seats?

At a 200w continuous discharge the 200kwhr Roadster battery would last 41 days.
Wrong Roadster model in your mind you have.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #223 on: 12/03/2017 05:52 AM »
A car seems like a waste of money - I would have offered Bigelow a free ride to space for one of their biggest habs, if they'd accept the risk. Come on - give a leg up to your fellow spacefarer, or something - but a car seems like a wasteful indulgence. Ultimately, it's just another piece of space junk to clutter the solar system with.

I don't think SpaceX holds such great fascination with Bigelow... I actually think they try to quietly stay away from that outfit.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #224 on: 12/03/2017 06:39 AM »
Alright - they could have sent up a large solar array also built by Tesla.

Surely that wouldn't be so hard for Tesla to do, considering they made a big battery reserve for Australia in record time.

A large solar array could be used as the basis to build out a space station or depot. It could also be a signature Tesla product. At least it would be more practical and useful than a car. Call it the Solar Roof Over the World, if you like.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #225 on: 12/03/2017 06:41 AM »
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To clarify, I said itís legit because the boss tweeted it out. I donít know any more info and Elonís the go to guy on this.

https://twitter.com/RocketJoy/status/937072189118939136

Ok, a crucial piece of evidence in favor of this being true just bit the dust. Not sure why she made the original comment. Clearly she didn't actually know if there would be cameras or not. Was probably just making a logical assumption.

My guess is that RocketJoy's follow-up was a hasty retraction cloaked in plausible deniability.  She may not have wanted to get ahead of Elon.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #226 on: 12/03/2017 09:25 AM »
It doesnít cost anything because itís just a necessary test of FH. NASA or itís traditional contractors would never do something like this which is exactly why itís genius and a Declaration of Independence. They wouldnít dare do something that might be seen as an indulgence.

I agree that the Roadster payload makes all sort of sense in terms of PR, but I don't think it's fair to say NASA would never do something like this. They used to do this when they still have their own launch capability, remember NASA launched two US senators to space (and tried to launch a teacher to space which unfortunately didn't end well). If we go back further, there's also Alan Shepard who played golf on the Moon. What are these actions if not indulgence? This is why I'm very surprised to see SpaceGhost is against Elon's latest PR gimmick, this is exactly the kind of move NASA used to make when they were the top dog.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #227 on: 12/03/2017 09:55 AM »
Shepard's golf stunt was unknown to NASA hierarchy, who probably would have discouraged him strongly if they had an inkling. But those few, whimsical moments at Fra Mauro have become some beloved moments of Apollo. And flying a Democrat (Nelson) and a Republican (Garn) in the 1980s was probably just wise investment for future support and funding. Yes; you can be completely cynical about the motivations, and justifiably so. But it got NASA some much needed support and publicity.

And there have been foreign Payload Specialists, too.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #228 on: 12/03/2017 10:16 AM »
The roadster could almost fit in the dragon trunk.
So what would fit in the Roadsterís trunk?
A wheel of cheese.
That would be wheely too cheezy :)

He sent up cheese last time, perhaps this time he could send up crackers or some South African red - maybe some Pinotage? Go on My Musk, send some South African Pinotage up there.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #229 on: 12/03/2017 10:25 AM »
Why Mars orbit - which apparently will not be an actual orbit around Mars in any case, but rather some distant orbit in the depths of space which Mars also sometimes passes through? The Roadster will be out of sight and effectively "lost in space" pretty quickly.

Would a launch into Earth orbit not have been a better publicity stunt? People could then track the Tesla with telescopes, and maybe even take the odd snapshot of it if you have a high enough resolution camera. It would be an equally impressive feat to the vast majority of the population, given that a "car was launched into space". But its closer proximity would give it a greater presence in people's minds, I reckon.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #230 on: 12/03/2017 11:01 AM »
This is the attitude that has killed space exploration. The strange disdain of fun. The solar system is made of junk.  Planets are just accreted junk piles.  So this seems fitting to me.
Bigelow, 'shudder', a lawsuit magnet. 

If you absolutely have to be practical, they might monitor the car to see how various materials behave, in particular the battery, as they are going to need a lot of them, eventually.
IDK if this is a real thing but it has some very attractive features.

What's the recurring worry about electric vehicles?

Range anxiety of course.

What better demonstration of the viability of an EV than 140 million miles on 1 charge.  :)
« Last Edit: 12/03/2017 03:24 PM by john smith 19 »
BFS. The worlds first Methane fueled FFORSC engined CFRP structured A380 sized aerospaceplane tail sitter capable of flying in Earth and Mars atmospheres. BFR. The worlds biggest Methane fueled FFORSC engined CFRP structured booster for BFS. First flight to Mars by end of 2022. Forward looking statements. T&C apply. Believe no one. Run your own numbers. So, you are going to Mars to start a better life? Picture it in your mind. Now say what it is out loud.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #231 on: 12/03/2017 12:56 PM »
The amount of power in the batteries of a Roadster is phenomenal. Once the last S2 firing is accomplished the computer triggers a relay connecting the Roadsters batteries into the S2. This could power the S2 for a very long time. With power the S2 can maintain attitude and communications back to Earth complete with video/images of the Roadster as it gets farther away from Earth especially an image of Earth and the Moon far in the background behind the Roadster would be priceless. A camera mounted as if your the driver looking forward out the windshield would be an amazing shot.

How about a couple mannequins strapped into the seats?
Top Gear, you are outdone.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #232 on: 12/03/2017 12:59 PM »
"And we're going to trust this childish man ... to launch our billion dollar payload? Can anyone get a straight answer out of him? Anyone? Are we sure he's not joking ... again?"

Either missing the point completely, or trolling.  Which one?

It makes no sense to risk any payload intended to be of future use--launch may fail catastrophically.

With no particular developed and integrated means of course correction--and we have seen none--there aren't many scientific payloads that make much sense either.  Whimsical choices of ballast thereby are of no valence towards the evaluation of any speculated inutile state of mind in the chooser.

As for helodrvr's snark, falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus ... Tesla had no problems paying back their government loan available to all automakers in the crash.  They paid it back early in full.
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #233 on: 12/03/2017 01:26 PM »
Some naysayer see a man launching a car to Mars, I see a man giving his old Roadster a proper viking funeral...

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #234 on: 12/03/2017 02:23 PM »
Some naysayer see a man launching a car to Mars, I see a man giving his old Roadster a proper viking funeral...

So, are you saying it is going to be on fire?.  I think that is a wrong analogy.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #235 on: 12/03/2017 02:28 PM »
Some naysayer see a man launching a car to Mars, I see a man giving his old Roadster a proper viking funeral...

So, are you saying it is going to be on fire?.  I think that is a wrong analogy.

It gets accidentally dropped from some incident on launch, otherwise really long odds of reentry on any planetary body, or it hangs around in orbit for a billion years or three until the Sun goes nova. 

It's gonna burn. 

Viking funeral.   ;D

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #236 on: 12/03/2017 02:41 PM »
Why Mars orbit - which apparently will not be an actual orbit around Mars in any case, but rather some distant orbit in the depths of space which Mars also sometimes passes through? The Roadster will be out of sight and effectively "lost in space" pretty quickly.

Would a launch into Earth orbit not have been a better publicity stunt? People could then track the Tesla with telescopes, and maybe even take the odd snapshot of it if you have a high enough resolution camera. It would be an equally impressive feat to the vast majority of the population, given that a "car was launched into space". But its closer proximity would give it a greater presence in people's minds, I reckon.

Some reasons why not Earth orbit.

1) Earth orbit doesn't undeniably 'prove' the abilities of the FH to 'throw deep'.
2) Enough space junk in Earth orbit already.
3) "Hello, Nationwide?  Yeah, uh... well... I just sideswiped the ISS in my Tesla Roadster.  Accident forgiveness?"
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #237 on: 12/03/2017 02:49 PM »
Elon (H.H Harriman) Musk

Edit: I think you mean D. D. Harriman. Also let's dial back the purely party posts a bit, ok? ++Lar
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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #238 on: 12/03/2017 02:57 PM »
"And we're going to trust this childish man ... to launch our billion dollar payload? Can anyone get a straight answer out of him? Anyone? Are we sure he's not joking ... again?"
Ironically, I'm not 100% sure you're serious, but I'll assume you are.

People do understand viral marketing, and this is that.  It's also a bit of fun.  And of course it accomplishes the objective of the demo mission, as much as a wheel of cheese.

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Re: Falcon Heavy Demo Mission Payload Discussion
« Reply #239 on: 12/03/2017 03:02 PM »
Elon (H.H Harriman) Musk

D. D. Harriman

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