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Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« on: 10/20/2017 08:30 pm »
Telesat, headquartered in Ottawa, Canada, is one of the companies planning a LEO broadband constellation.  They are on track to launch test satellites ahead of both SpaceX and OneWeb (although OneWeb is ahead of everyone else for production satellites), have ITU priority in Ka band, and should be one of the next two constellations approved by the FCC to access the U.S. market.  Their FCC filing can be found here.

In 2016 Telesat ordered two test satellites:
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OTTAWA, CANADA, April 27, 2016 – Telesat, a leading global satellite operator, has procured two prototype Ka-band satellites for operation in low earth orbit (LEO) that Telesat anticipates launching mid-to-late 2017 as part of a test and validation phase for an advanced, global LEO satellite constellation that Telesat is developing. Through an authorization issued by Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED), Telesat has secured priority rights to certain Ka-band spectrum in non-geostationary orbits (NGSO) at the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) to operate such a constellation.

Telesat has contracted with Space Systems Loral (SSL) of Palo Alto, California, and Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL), an independent British company within the Airbus Defence & Space group, for the procurement of the prototypes. By drawing on the advanced technologies and expertise of these leading manufacturers, Telesat will test and demonstrate two distinct spacecraft in LEO, a key step in optimizing the design and performance of Telesat’s contemplated LEO constellation.

SpaceNews published a Q&A with Erwin Hudson, VP of Telesat LEO that is worth reading:
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Our two Phase 1 LEO satellites will be launching later this year. One is being built by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. based in the U.K., a company within the Airbus Defence and Space group. It will be placed into LEO orbit using an ISRO Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV). The second is being built by Space Systems Loral, partnering with the Space Flight Laboratory at the University of Toronto, and will be delivered to orbit on a Soyuz launcher.
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https://iz.ru/664893/dmitrii-strugovetc-anastasiia-sinitckaia/novaia-orbita-vostochnogo
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In total, 17 sats are planned to be put into orbit from the Russian territory, among them LEO Vantage and AISSat-3 (both Canada), IDEA (Japan), SEAM (Sweden), two Landmapper-BC and 10 LEMUR (all USA), D- Star One (Germany).
As part of Roscosmos' commitments, the Russian student satellite Baumanets-2 will also be launched.

First of the Telesat LEO prototypes scheduled to launch Nov. 28, only weighs 70kg.

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There is podcast interview with Dan Goldberg of Telesat on spaceq.ca 19th Oct.

One market they are targeting is polar sites eg, mining, oil rig, military bases which struggle to get coverage from GEO sats.

With more mining moving to robotic remote control equipment, reliable low latency high band width data is vitual.

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SSL Small Satellite for Telesat Delivered to Launch Base in Eastern Russia

Will be one of Telesat’s two satellites launching into Low Earth Orbit this year as part of company’s planned global constellation

Palo Alto, CA – November 7, 2017 – SSL, a business unit of Maxar Technologies (formerly MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd.) (NYSE: MAXR; TSX: MAXR), announced today that the Low Earth Orbit (LEO) communications satellite it recently provided to Telesat has arrived at the Vostochny Cosmodrome in Eastern Russia where it will launch aboard a Soyuz-2 vehicle provided by Glavkosmos. This will be one of two Telesat Phase 1 satellites planned for launch this year that will allow Telesat to start testing key performance parameters of its next generation global LEO constellation.

“Developing this innovative LEO spacecraft for Telesat demonstrates our strength in collaborating with partners to meet new space goals,” said Dario Zamarian, group president of SSL. “With this satellite for Telesat, we have taken an entirely fresh approach to designing a high performing smallsat that will advance Telesat’s plans to launch an important next-generation business.”

The launch of this Phase 1 LEO will be a key step in Telesat’s goal to accelerate the world’s digital transformation by providing, through its LEO constellation, high performing, cost effective, fiber-like connectivity anywhere on the planet for business, government and individual users.

“Telesat’s LEO constellation will deliver fiber-like broadband on a global basis to commercial and government markets, and the launch of our Phase 1 LEO satellites is the starting point in making this next generation system a reality,” said Dave Wendling, Chief Technical Officer of Telesat. “Telesat is grateful to SSL for their many contributions during the design and construction of this innovative spacecraft. We look forward to a successful launch and beginning testing on our Phase 1 LEO satellites shortly after.” 

SSL has worked with Telesat for nearly 20 years to expand its satellite fleet and there are currently two Telesat geostationary satellites in production at SSL’s Palo Alto facility, where the company integrates space proven building blocks with technology advances that enable better performance and more power and capacity for broadcast and broadband applications. 

Telesat’s Phase 1 LEO smallsat is expected to launch in late November from Eastern Russia’s newest launch base, together with a Russian weather observation satellite and several other co-passengers. SSL partnered with the Space Flight Laboratory (SFL) of Toronto, Canada to build the spacecraft and SFL is managing launch base mission operations.

SSL’s growing LEO business includes satellites for Earth Observation, Communications and Satellite Servicing, and demonstrates the company’s agility in implementing new technologies and processes to drive innovation.

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[SpaceNews Nov. 6, 2017] FCC grants Telesat LEO market access despite ViaSat protests

Following market approval given to OneWeb in June, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission on Nov. 3 granted global fleet operator Telesat permission to reach the U.S. with a constellation of 117 low-Earth orbit satellites.

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Canada-based Telesat is the second LEO constellation after OneWeb to receive market access from the United States.

The FCC also granted Space Norway market access Nov. 3 to reach the U.S. with two satellites in non-geostationary elliptical orbits. Both Telesat and ViaSat sought to block Space Norway.

I don't see this on the FCC site yet.

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Soyuz Failure Results in Loss of First Telesat Phase 1 LEO Satellite

Vostochny Cosmodrome, Eastern Russia, November 28, 2017 – Telesat learned this morning that the Soyuz 2 launch vehicle that was to place 19 spacecraft into orbit, including Telesat’s first Phase 1 LEO satellite, has failed.

Notwithstanding this failure, Telesat’s plans to develop a state-of-the-art, high capacity LEO constellation that will deliver transformative, low latency, fiber-like broadband to commercial and government users worldwide, remain on track. A second Phase 1 LEO satellite is scheduled for launch in the coming weeks on ISRO’s Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) from the Sriharikota launch site.

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[Space News] PSLV launch a milestone for India and several companies
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The successful launch of an Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) Jan. 11 marked not just the return to flight of the rocket but also major achievements for several of the companies with payloads on board the vehicle.
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Canadian satellite operator Telesat also had a payload on the rocket, one of its two demonstration satellites for its planned low Earth orbit constellation. The 168-kilogram LEO Phase 1 satellite, built by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. in the United Kingdom, will test technologies Telesat plans to use in a 120-satellite constellation the company plans to deploy by 2021. The other satellite, built by the University of Toronto’s Space Flight Laboratory, was lost on a failed Soyuz launch in November.

“The launch of our Phase 1 satellite is the starting point in making our next generation LEO system a reality and we thank SSTL and ISRO for the success of the mission to date,” Dan Goldberg, president and CEO of Telesat, said in a statement. The company said it will use the satellite in trials with a number of customers in “growing enterprise segments” later in the year.

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Tweet from Jonathan McDowell:
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Another interesting object from the January PSLV launch was Telesat's LEO Vantage 1, deployed into a 496 x 508 km orbit. While I wasn't paying attention, it raised orbit slowly between Jan 21 and Apr 5 and is now in a 996 x 1004 km SSO.

Most of the LEO constellation sats will be doing this, including OneWeb (after the first flight) and Starlink.  Deploying at a moderate altitude lets them deorbit within 25 years if a sat is DOA.

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THALES ALENIA SPACE AND MAXAR TECHNOLOGIES’ SSL FORM CONSORTIUM TO FURTHER DESIGN AND DEVELOP TELESAT’S LEO SATELLITE CONSTELLATION

Telesat has selected consortium to participate in its LEO system ‘design phase’

07/30/2018
CANNES, France and WESTMINSTER, Colo. - July 30, 2018 - Thales Alenia Space, a Joint Venture between Thales (67 %) and Leonardo (33 %),  and SSL, a Maxar Technologies company (NYSE: MAXR; TSX: MAXR), have signed a consortium agreement to pursue the development and manufacture of Telesat’s highly advanced global LEO satellite constellation and end-to-end system. In addition the consortium, led by Thales Alenia Space, announced today that they have been awarded a contract by Telesat for a System Design and Risk Management Project for the Telesat LEO constellation.

Following a highly rigorous process involving leading satellite manufacturing companies, Telesat selected the Thales Alenia Space / Maxar consortium for its LEO design phase based on the consortium’s compelling proposal for the end-to-end system, the maturity of the required technologies, and the competitiveness of its solution. The three companies will work together on the design of the end-to-end system, including satellites, gateways, user terminals, operations centers, and ground network. Telesat will provide funding during this phase and anticipates selecting a prime contractor, either the Thales Alenia Space / Maxar consortium or an alternate team, in mid-2019 for Telesat’s LEO program – space segment, ground segment and system integration.   

Telesat’s LEO constellation will transform global communications by offering an unsurpassed combination of capacity, speed, security, resiliency and low cost with latency performance that is as good or better than the most advanced terrestrial networks. These capabilities will be available globally and will enable Telesat LEO to become a core component in satisfying many of the world’s most challenging communications requirements. Telesat LEO will accelerate 5G expansion, end the digital divide with fiber-like high speed services into rural and remote communities, and establish new levels of performance for commercial and government broadband on land, sea and in the air.

The Thales Alenia Space / Maxar consortium brings proven experience, industrial capability and a strong supplier base for fully integrated communications satellite systems, including payload antenna design, on-board processing and LEO satellite production. The companies have formed fully integrated teams across multiple work streams located in France, the U.S. and Canada in order to apply the consortium’s very best talent to every task. The Thales Alenia Space / Maxar solution will enable Telesat’s LEO constellation to deliver for its customers multi-Terabits of highly secure, low latency communications around the globe at the most competitive cost.

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Tweet from Peter B. de Selding:
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2's a crowd: @AirbusSpace @AirbusDefence has been hired by Telesat to perform design study for Telesat LEO program. @MDA_maxar @MaxarTech @sslmda & @Thales_Alenia_S are doing a competing study. Decision in early 2019 on who's the prime.

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https://twitter.com/telesat/status/1090950636957515778

Looks like Alphabet (Google's parent company) picked Telesat as a partner.
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https://twitter.com/telesat/status/1090950636957515778

Looks like Alphabet (Google's parent company) picked Telesat as a partner.

That's is a little weird, because they are investor in SpaceX (Starlink) and their compete together...
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https://twitter.com/telesat/status/1090950636957515778

Looks like Alphabet (Google's parent company) picked Telesat as a partner.

That's is a little weird, because they are investor in SpaceX (Starlink) and their compete together...

Google never have one product when three will do.  :)

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https://twitter.com/telesat/status/1090950636957515778

Looks like Alphabet (Google's parent company) picked Telesat as a partner.

That's is a little weird, because they are investor in SpaceX (Starlink) and their compete together...
Google is likely to be one of biggest customers for these networks. They want secure and fast server to server connections which these constellations can provide. Amazon is also likely to be big  customer of Telesat.

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I've long thought the Telesat constellation was a more formidable competitor than OneWeb.

People like to act like Musk is all hype and no action (dumb), but Wyler has been hyping OneWeb for much longer, and it STILL hasn't had anything launch. Telesat, on the other hand, has been quietly working.
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I've long thought the Telesat constellation was a more formidable competitor than OneWeb.

People like to act like Musk is all hype and no action (dumb), but Wyler has been hyping OneWeb for much longer, and it STILL hasn't had anything launch. Telesat, on the other hand, has been quietly working.

OneWeb has satellites at the launch pad.  Telesat hasn't even selected a contractor yet.

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I've long thought the Telesat constellation was a more formidable competitor than OneWeb.

People like to act like Musk is all hype and no action (dumb), but Wyler has been hyping OneWeb for much longer, and it STILL hasn't had anything launch. Telesat, on the other hand, has been quietly working.

OneWeb has satellites at the launch pad.  Telesat hasn't even selected a contractor yet.
Telesat has already launched prototypes over a year ago whereas OneWeb has not. The whole argument that “we can skip prototypes and go straight to production” is incredibly naive for a new company & just because Wyler’s good at hyping that solution doesn’t mean I have to be naive enough to believe it. But the horse race is missing the point: Telesat’s architecture is superior.
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 Launch is still biggest cost for these large LEO  constellations. I suspect Telesat have been waiting on NG to make this constellation financially viable.

Having a range of future small LVs available for emergency replacement satellites is also big bonus. They can keep few spares on ground and launch them on demand. Launch cost is lot higher but if they never need launching there are big savings to be had.

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I've long thought the Telesat constellation was a more formidable competitor than OneWeb.

People like to act like Musk is all hype and no action (dumb), but Wyler has been hyping OneWeb for much longer, and it STILL hasn't had anything launch. Telesat, on the other hand, has been quietly working.

OneWeb has satellites at the launch pad.  Telesat hasn't even selected a contractor yet.
Telesat has already launched prototypes over a year ago whereas OneWeb has not. The whole argument that “we can skip prototypes and go straight to production” is incredibly naive for a new company & just because Wyler’s good at hyping that solution doesn’t mean I have to be naive enough to believe it. But the horse race is missing the point: Telesat’s architecture is superior.

Can you say why you consider the architecture of Telesat superior to the Oneweb?

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I've long thought the Telesat constellation was a more formidable competitor than OneWeb.

People like to act like Musk is all hype and no action (dumb), but Wyler has been hyping OneWeb for much longer, and it STILL hasn't had anything launch. Telesat, on the other hand, has been quietly working.

OneWeb has satellites at the launch pad.  Telesat hasn't even selected a contractor yet.
Telesat has already launched prototypes over a year ago whereas OneWeb has not. The whole argument that “we can skip prototypes and go straight to production” is incredibly naive for a new company & just because Wyler’s good at hyping that solution doesn’t mean I have to be naive enough to believe it. But the horse race is missing the point: Telesat’s architecture is superior.

Can you say why you consider the architecture of Telesat superior to the Oneweb?
Not bent-pipe-only but also does inter-satellite links, like Starlink. And unlike Starlink or OneWeb, it's viable at a smaller minimum size, which makes it more viable from a capital efficiency standpoint as well.
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Blue Origin To Launch Satellites For Company Battling SpaceX And Others For Space Internet Supremacy

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Small launch vehicle developer Relativity announced April 5 a contract with Telesat to launch a portion of that company’s low Earth orbit broadband satellite constellation.
The contract covers the launch of an unspecified number of Telesat LEO satellites on Relativity’s Terran 1 launch vehicle, starting no earlier than 2021. The companies declined to disclose the terms of the contract.
https://spacenews.com/relativity-signs-contract-with-telesat-for-launching-leo-constellation/

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The Government of Canada and Telesat Partner to Bridge Canada’s Digital Divide through Low Earth Orbit (LEO) Satellite Technology, Over $1 Billion in Revenue for Telesat expected

July 24, 2019 12:15 ET | Source: Telesat Canada
OTTAWA, July 24, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Telesat and the Government of Canada have partnered to ensure access to affordable high-speed Internet connectivity across rural and remote areas of Canada through the development of Telesat’s LEO Satellite Constellation. The partnership is expected to generate $1.2 billion (CAD) in revenue for Telesat over 10 years, which includes a contribution of up to $600M (CAD) from the Government of Canada, supporting the company’s mission of deploying a transformational communications architecture that delivers affordable, high-speed broadband services across Canada and the rest of the world.

Additionally, the Government of Canada will contribute $85 million (CAD) to Telesat through the Government’s Strategic Innovation Fund (SIF).  Telesat, as part of the agreement,  will support approximately 500 jobs in Canada, invest $215 million (CAD) in R&D over the next five years, and promote STEM jobs and education in Canada through a newly created scholarship, university partnerships and other initiatives, with a strong focus on creating opportunities for women.

Over 48% of the world’s population does not have access to reliable, affordable, high-speed Internet. Telesat LEO is a transformational, space-based broadband infrastructure that will address this urgent need. The first Telesat LEO satellite launched in early 2018 and the full constellation will be comprised of 298 satellites. These LEO satellites will be 35 times closer to Earth than traditional satellites, resulting in a shorter trip for Internet signals and making low-latency, fiber-like Internet accessible anywhere in the world.

In Canada, there are currently 2.3 million households that do not have access to affordable and reliable high-speed Internet, which prevents Canadians from fully participating in and benefitting from the digital economy, including opportunities for education, job advancement and access to healthcare. This is partially due to the high cost of installing fiber-optic cables in remote regions of Canada. Telesat LEO will offer users high quality, reliable Internet access at affordable rates, making this partnership an important step towards bridging the digital divide in Canada.

“Telesat LEO is the most ambitious global broadband infrastructure program ever conceived and will revolutionize how Canadians, and everyone else in the world for that matter, experience and leverage the Internet,” said Dan Goldberg, Telesat’s President and CEO. “Today’s announcement will help achieve Canada’s goal of universal connectivity, ensuring that Canadians, regardless of where they work or live, have affordable, high quality, and high-speed Internet. Telesat LEO has garnered substantial interest from commercial enterprises and governments around the world. That interest, together with the funding received from the Strategic Innovation Fund and Canada’s plan to secure Telesat LEO capacity on a long-term basis for Canadians, underpin Telesat’s plan to fully bridge the digital divide with this advanced Telesat LEO Constellation.”

“Access to high-speed Internet is not a luxury; it is essential, and all Canadians should have access to it regardless of where they live,” said the Honourable Navdeep Bains, Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development. “Rural and remote areas need this service to do business, upgrade their education and build stronger communities. Today’s announcements will provide us with a glimpse of what future connectivity of rural and remote communities will look like. It will also ensure that innovative Canadian companies, like Telesat and its partners, remain world leaders, creating highly skilled jobs in Canada.”

“Affordable high-speed Internet and mobile wireless coverage is critical to the continued vibrancy and success of rural Canada,” said the Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Rural Economic Development. “Our government is leveraging various innovative and disruptive technologies to improve rural connectivity and to ensure that Canadians in all areas of the country have access to the latest technologies. LEO satellite technology will substantially increase capacity and offer better speed and signal strength for Canadians from Coast to Coast to Coast.”

The partnership was announced today at a press event hosted by the Government of Canada at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa, Canada, where The Honourable Navdeep Bains, Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development and Telesat President and CEO Dan Goldberg made remarks. The Government of Canada and Telesat signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) yesterday, outlining objectives for the partnership to address connectivity gaps via Telesat LEO satellite capacity. The MOU can be viewed at http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf11543.html. For more information on Telesat LEO, visit our website at www.telesat.com/connect-everyone.

About Telesat LEO
Telesat’s LEO constellation will leverage the company’s global, priority spectrum rights in Ka-band and patent-pending LEO architecture to transform global communications. It will offer a combination of capacity, speed, security, resiliency and affordability with ultra-low latency that is equal to, or better than, the most advanced terrestrial networks. Able to serve the entire globe, Telesat LEO will help satisfy many of the world’s most challenging communications requirements. It will bridge the digital divide with fiber-like high-speed services into rural and remote communities, accelerate 5G expansion, and set new levels of performance for commercial and government broadband connectivity on land and in key maritime and aeronautical markets.

About Telesat 
Telesat is a leading global satellite operator, providing reliable and secure satellite-delivered communications solutions worldwide to broadcast, telecom, corporate and government customers. Headquartered in Ottawa, Canada, with offices and facilities around the world, the company’s state-of-the-art fleet consists of 16 GEO satellites, the Canadian payload on ViaSat-1 and one Phase 1 LEO satellite which is the start of Telesat’s planned advanced global LEO satellite constellation that will offer ultra-low latency, extremely high throughput, affordable broadband services. Telesat is also a leading technical consultant providing high value expertise and support to satellite operators, insurers and other industry participants on a global basis. Privately held, Telesat’s principal shareholders are Canada’s Public Sector Pension Investment Board and Loral Space & Communications Inc. (NASDAQ: LORL). www.telesat.com

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This should be here too:

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1171445913245470725

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Mowry mentions Blue Origin’s deal with Telesat. Shotwell interjects: is that a real deal, signed contract? Mowry: yes it is.

Not surprising giving the announcement in January, but this puts Telesats operational deployment into 2022. Even if NG launches 2021 (which I doubt, but would love to be wrong), they will not hit the road running and any second launch or sequence of launches will take time after the first one. So Telesat might have an operational part of its constellation in 2022 at the earliest.

If nothing goes wrong with SpaceX in the meantime, they may realistically launch about 20 F9s next year (Shotwell advertised up to 24 launches next year, but lets tone that down a bit) full of about 60 Starlink sats each. That is 1200 in 2020 and say they repeat the performance in 2021. So Starlink would be at about 2400 sats by the end of 2021, or in other words, a fully operational constellation at half its design capacity.

This is a pretty hard place to start for Telesat, lets hope it works out for them.
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Telesat said at WSBW that they haven't selected a contractor to build the satellites yet, might select one later this year.

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[Space News] Maxar-Thales Alenia Space team breaks up, now competing separately for Telesat LEO
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Maxar Technologies and Thales Alenia Space abandoned plans to jointly compete to build Telesat’s low-Earth-orbit broadband constellation, setting up a now three-way race for a multibillion-dollar contract expected to be awarded soon.

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Maxar backs away from Telesat LEO competition

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Maxar Technologies no longer expects, at least initially, to win any manufacturing contracts for Telesat’s future multibillion-dollar broadband megaconstellation of roughly 300 satellites.

Dan Jablonsky, Maxar’s chief executive, said Aug. 5 during an earnings call that a procurement decision for the constellation, called Telesat LEO, remains delayed — an announcement was expected in mid-2019 — and no longer looks like a significant business opportunity for Maxar.

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Not sure what this is about, the article is behind a paywall

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1308542359798525952

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@Telesat proposes to liberate 400MHz of C-band spectrum & sell half itself to fund LEO constellation, return other half to Flag of Canada Gov for public auction. C$85m funding & C$600m commitment over next decade not enough - more Gov support needed. Launch in 2023.

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You can read the article by viewing the HTML text. The article says that Telesat wants to build a LEO constellation at 1000 km altitude, in order to reduce internet access latency. 292 satellites total with 72 in polar orbit and 220 in an inclined orbit. Telesat is funding the project using equity and debt. Telesat is planning to go public next year. Requires agreement from current owners the Canadian Public Sector Pension Investment Board and Loral Space & Communications. They have to sell some of their spectrum for 5G. Will sell 400 MHz if 200 MHz can be sold to telecoms with funds used for constellation. Has received $65M from Canada and $600M commitment over next 10 years for delivery of broadband. Service planned to start in 2023.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-telesat-canada-preparing-to-go-public-next-year/
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C-band operators in the US are getting billions of dollars to vacate part of that spectrum, Telesat is looking to do something similar in Canada.  Apparently they haven't managed to come up with funding for their LEO constellation as it keeps getting pushed into the future.

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Telesat to announce satellite, launch contracts by year’s end

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Canadian satellite fleet operator Telesat is in advanced discussions with vendors seeking to build and launch satellites for its multibillion dollar, 298-satellite Telesat LEO constellation.

“My expectation is that we’d be in a position to make some announcements about who those vendors are by the end of this year,” Telesat CEO Dan Goldberg said during an Oct. 29 earnings call.

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Telesat remains optimistic about prospects for LEO constellation

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Telesat announced Nov. 9 that it finalized an agreement with the Canadian government to provide subsidized broadband internet services to rural communities in the country. The government will pay Telesat $600 million Canadian ($460 million) over 10 years, and Telesat will, in turn, offer a “dedicated pool” of broadband capacity for rural communities at “greatly reduced rates.”

Telesat will start receiving that funding once the Telesat LEO constellation enters service. However, the company has yet to select a manufacturer for those satellites, let alone start deploying them. In an Oct. 29 earnings call, Telesat Chief Executive Dan Goldberg said the company should make “some announcements” about satellite manufacturers before the end of the year.

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Telesat created a subsidiary for the LEO constellation, appropriately named Telesat LEO Inc.

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Telesat remains optimistic about prospects for LEO constellation

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Telesat announced Nov. 9 that it finalized an agreement with the Canadian government to provide subsidized broadband internet services to rural communities in the country. The government will pay Telesat $600 million Canadian ($460 million) over 10 years, and Telesat will, in turn, offer a “dedicated pool” of broadband capacity for rural communities at “greatly reduced rates.”

Telesat will start receiving that funding once the Telesat LEO constellation enters service. However, the company has yet to select a manufacturer for those satellites, let alone start deploying them. In an Oct. 29 earnings call, Telesat Chief Executive Dan Goldberg said the company should make “some announcements” about satellite manufacturers before the end of the year.

So, this hasn't happened yet.

Is the 460 million tied to milestones or can Telesat start to cash in and hypothetically start launching near the end of the ten year period?

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Is the 460 million tied to milestones or can Telesat start to cash in and hypothetically start launching near the end of the ten year period?

It's for providing discounted service.  Only supposed to be paid out when the system is active.

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Telesat to Redefine Global Broadband Connectivity with Telesat Lightspeed, the World’s Most Advanced Low Earth Orbit (LEO) Satellite Network

Thales Alenia Space Selected to Manufacture First-of-its-kind Dynamic LEO Broadband Network with Services Starting in 2023

OTTAWA, CANADA – February 09, 2021 – Telesat, one of the world’s largest satellite operators, announced today that it has entered into an agreement with Thales Alenia Space to be the prime manufacturer of Telesat’s global LEO constellation, Lightspeed, initially comprised of a fleet of 298 next-generation satellites integrated with an advanced ground network. Lightspeed is the most innovative, cutting-edge broadband satellite network ever conceived. Thales Alenia Space and its affiliate Telespazio have made a Lightspeed capacity commitment in connection with the agreement.

Telesat and Thales Alenia Space have engaged in substantial and sustained collaboration on Lightspeed’s innovative design.  Specifically, Lightspeed has been optimized to serve the fast-growing broadband connectivity requirements of fixed and mobile network operators, aeronautical and maritime users, enterprise customers and governments. Operating under Telesat’s global Ka-band priority spectrum rights, the first Lightspeed satellites are expected to be launched in approximately two years, with customer beta testing beginning shortly thereafter and commercial services commencing in the second half of 2023.

“We are very pleased to be moving forward with Thales Alenia Space on Lightspeed, the most advanced and capable LEO network in the world,” stated Dan Goldberg, President and CEO of Telesat. “As the world’s leader in manufacturing and implementing cutting edge global satellite constellations, Thales Alenia Spaceis the right industrial partner to deliver Lightspeed, a fully integrated global communications network that will revolutionize satellite-delivered broadband and give Telesat and its customers a decisive competitive edge in this high growth market.”

Goldberg added: “The name Lightspeed underscores the essential speed advantages inherent to Telesat’s LEO design. Lightspeed is the most technologically capable satellite communications network in history and exploits the latest advances in space-based data processing, laser communications, digital antenna technology and machine learning.”

Lightspeed will provide fibre-like connectivity across the entire Earth at price points that allow network operators to efficiently and economically enhance their network coverage, performance and profitability. Designed with a deep understanding of the bandwidth intensive applications and cloud-based network connectivity that users require, Lightspeed will eliminate the hurdles that telecommunications service providers face today when incorporating satellite into their networks.

Operating roughly just 1,000 kilometers above Earth in LEO, Lightspeed will be free from the long latency delays and capacity limitations that are inherent to satellites in geostationary and medium Earth orbits. In addition, Lightspeed satellites incorporate leading-edge technologies and features, including:

Sophisticated phased array antennas on each satellite that are combined with advanced beam hopping technology to create approximately 135,000 beams that can dynamically focus multiple Gbps of capacity – an order of magnitude higher than any other system – into demand hot spots like remote communities, large airports or major sea ports;

Nearly 1,200 high capacity optical links – four on each satellite – that combine to create a first-ever, highly resilient, flexible and secure space-based IP network, moving data across the network and around the world at the speed of light;

Data processing in space, including full digital modulation and  demodulation on the satellite, coupled with a revolutionary end-to-end network operating system, that improves link performance and gives customers unprecedented flexibility for routing traffic across the globe, eliminating gateway hops for the fastest, most secure, end-to-end delivery of data; and

A patent-pending architecture for the constellation of satellites, which features satellites operating in both polar and inclined orbital planes. This results in true pole-to-pole global coverage, concentrating capacity in areas where it is most needed to maximize network efficiency and achieve superior unit cost economics.

Telesat is developing affordable end-user terminals, with a range of antennas and modems optimized for each of the market verticals Lightspeed will serve. In addition, Lightspeed leverages industry-wide network interface standards to enable simple, seamless integration with customers’ terrestrial networks, without the need to integrate proprietary hardware or software.

Under the terms of the Agreement, the parties have provided for the advancement of the program while the financing for the project is being finalized. The commencement of full construction activities and the final constellation deployment schedule are subject to, and conditional upon, the progress of the financing for the program.   

As a responsible owner and operator of space assets for nearly 50 years, Telesat has designed and will operate the Lightspeed satellites in a manner that ensures that LEO orbits are safely available for other users and that the night sky is safeguarded for astronomical observation.

More details about Lightspeed can be found at https://www.telesat.com/lightspeed. Related resource: Lightspeed Specifications
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Very interesting quotes in this CNBC article https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/telesat-building-5-billion-lightspeed-global-satellite-internet.html

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"This is not a consumer broadband play," Goldberg said.
SpaceX claimed several times they want to go into the long-distance business and compete against submarine cables on latency. Maybe Telesat is attempting the same? It could just mean they're focused on institutions that function at isolated locations.

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One of the key technologies that Goldberg said the Lightspeed satellites will leverage is intersatellite links
Starlink doesn't currently have inter-satellite links but probably will by the time the Telesat launches.

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Telesat plans to begin launching the first Lightspeed in 2023, with initial satellites launched by Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin on its New Glenn rocket. Goldberg said he's been tracking New Glenn's development "closely," as the rocket's inaugural launch is planned in the next year, but he's confident that "it will be ready" when Telesat begins launching in two years. Telesat will also "be announcing other launch providers in the coming months."
Primary launcher seems to be New Glenn, but not exclusive. This would likely be a large number of launches.

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The network, known in the industry as a constellation, will consist of 298 next-generation satellites that orbit the Earth at an altitude of about 1000 kilometers, or a little over twice the altitude of the International Space Station.
Despite what people might claim I do not believe that this is a positive aspect. Higher orbits are worse for space debris and also for light polution.
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The network, known in the industry as a constellation, will consist of 298 next-generation satellites that orbit the Earth at an altitude of about 1000 kilometers, or a little over twice the altitude of the International Space Station.
Despite what people might claim I do not believe that this is a positive aspect. Higher orbits are worse for space debris and also for light polution.
It's not quite linear, because a higher orbit also reduces the number of satellites needed for a given throughput.  There are probably different maxima for debris mitigation, light pollution, average throughput, minimum throughput, satellite idle time, etc, all of which were likely taken into account when designing the constellation.

But yes, each satellite will take much longer to deorbit passively (unless an end-of-life drag system is added), and potentially create more light pollution (depending on what mitigation efforts they take) than those operated at lower altitudes, on average.
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Telesat has designed and will operate the Lightspeed satellites in a manner that ensures that LEO orbits are safely available for other users and that the night sky is safeguarded for astronomical observation.
On one hand, it's good that they've got this in mind.  It would be foolish for any new operator to ignore what have become very public concerns with satellite constellations (even as far back as the original Iridium in some cases).  On the other hand, talk is cheap - it's hard to know how committed they are until we know more about their mitigation efforts, or see them in action.  In the worst case (which I think is very unlikely), they may simply claim that operating relatively few satellites is enough to satisfy their obligation.
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One of the key technologies that Goldberg said the Lightspeed satellites will leverage is intersatellite links
Starlink doesn't currently have inter-satellite links but probably will by the time the Telesat launches.

They have on select satellites:

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There have been at least two Starlink satellites launched with the laser interlinks. On September 3rd, 2020, SpaceX announced the two spacecraft had successfully tested the laser interlinks on board the satellites.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/01/spacex-launch-first-starlink-mission-2021/

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Telesat Lightspeed to Receive $400 Million Investment from the Government of Québec

The Lightspeed program is expected to bring $1.8 billion of investment into the Québec aerospace sector, creating 600 new highly-skilled, high-paying jobs and billions of dollars in economic growth.

Telesat selects Canada’s MDA to deliver the state-of-the-art phased array antennas for Lightspeed satellites.

Telesat’s prime contractor, Thales Alenia Space, will establish the Lightspeed satellites’ final assembly and manufacturing in Québec and is in discussions with Québec-based partners.


MONTRÉAL, CANADA, February 18, 2021 – Telesat, one of the world’s largest satellite operators, announced today that it has entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Government of Québec for an investment of $400 million into Telesat Lightspeed, Telesat’s highly advanced Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite network. Telesat will invest $1.6 billion into Québec, both directly and through its supply chain, which will include a significant portion of Lightspeed manufacturing and operations. The Lightspeed program will create 600 high-paying STEM jobs, leverage Québec’s substantial aerospace expertise and infrastructure, and allow the province to harness the significant economic growth from the burgeoning New Space Economy.

Lightspeed, the most innovative, cutting-edge broadband satellite network ever conceived, will bridge the Digital Divide both in Canada and throughout the rest of the world. All $ amounts referenced in this release are in Canadian dollars.

Agreement with the Government of Québec

Under the terms of the MOU, the investment by the Government of Québec will consist of $200 million in preferred equity as well as a $200 million loan. It is expected that a final agreement will be completed in the coming months. This collaboration comes on the heels of Telesat’s selection of Thales Alenia Space as prime contractor for Lightspeed and its recently completed $600 million partnership with the Government of Canada to affordably bridge Canada’s digital divide through Telesat Lightspeed.

Telesat Lightspeed operations to be located in Québec

As a result of this agreement and given Québec’s world-class expertise and competencies in the aerospace sector, Québec will be a key partner for the manufacturing and operations of Lightspeed. Specifically, the province will be home to a large Telesat campus that will house a broad range of Lightspeed technical operations, including the Network Operating Centre, a Satellite Control Centre, the Cybersecurity Operations Centre, the Engineering Lab and an advanced Landing Station providing secure, high-capacity communication links to the Lightspeed constellation. This new campus will host approximately 320 new, highly skilled Telesat jobs, largely in STEM.

Telesat selects MDA to manufacture sophisticated phased array antennas in Québec

In light of their world-class expertise, Telesat has selected leading Canadian space technology company MDA to manufacture the cutting-edge phased array antennas to be incorporated into the Lightspeed satellites. In manufacturing these revolutionary antennas, MDA will leverage 3D additive manufacturing and will incorporate advanced beam hopping technology that will allow the Lightspeed constellation to dynamically and flexibly focus high capacity broadband links into rural and remote communities and other demand hot spots around the world.

Lightspeed satellite manufacturing in Québec, positioning the province to be a global leader in the New Space Economy

Telesat’s prime contractor, Thales Alenia Space, will establish the final manufacturing of the advanced Lightspeed satellites at an assembly, integration and testing facility in Québec and, in this regard, is in discussions with Québec-based partners. This state-of-the-art facility will leverage next-generation manufacturing capabilities to deliver on average one Lightspeed satellite per day. Lightspeed satellites are the most advanced LEO broadband satellites ever conceived, incorporating a wide range of cutting-edge, disruptive technologies.

“Telesat welcomes and appreciates the strong support and participation of the Government of Québec as we embark on Lightspeed, the most ambitious and consequential program in our more than 50-year history,” said Dan Goldberg, Telesat’s President and CEO. “The vast aerospace expertise resident in Québec, coupled with the Government’s leadership and vision for the fast-growing New Space Economy, provides an overwhelmingly compelling rationale for Telesat to make substantial investments in the province, including the manufacture of the Lightspeed satellites and the establishment of our extensive technical operations. We deeply value the world-class talent and capabilities in Québec and we are excited to welcome that talent into the Telesat family.”

“Today’s news is extraordinary, both for Québec’s aerospace sector and for Québec as a whole. The preservation of 650 jobs and the creation of a further 600 jobs at about $100,000 a year is an example of how Québec will bridge the wealth gap with neighbouring jurisdictions. I am in politics to achieve this goal. The pandemic will have an ongoing impact on aircraft construction, and this is the ideal time to accelerate the pace of satellite development, a new and promising field for the aerospace industry. Your government will continue to invest to create better-paid jobs in Québec, to build a more prosperous Québec, and ensure a prouder Québec!”

François Legault, Premier of Québec
“The Telesat project will raise the international profile of Québec engineering and our space industry. It gives us a key position in the new, private-sector space race. This investment will boost our aerospace industry, which has suffered over the last year. Québec is already a leader in the field, but with today’s announcement, we show that we will do what it takes to remain a leader into the future.”

Pierre Fitzgibbon, Minister of Economy and Innovation
“We are very proud to be selected for this critical role on Telesat Lightspeed, which will enable us to expand our presence in Québec and create highly-skilled, high-paying jobs while engaging with our local supply chain on this ground-breaking program.  With this key role in developing next-generation antenna technology, combined with our advanced manufacturing capabilities, we anticipate major growth in our Montreal-based Satellite Systems business. We would like to thank Telesat for its confidence in MDA, and the Government of Québec for its financial support.”

Mike Greenley, Chief Executive Officer, MDA
To learn more about Lightspeed, visit https://www.telesat.com/lightspeed.

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TESAT partners with MDA for Telesat Lightspeed

  Telesat Lightspeed © Telesat

Backnang, 22.03.2021: TESAT is honored to announce its collaboration with MDA for the upcoming Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite broadband network Telesat Lightspeed. MDA, a Canadian space manufacturer, has been selected to provide one of the critical technology subsystems for this innovative constellation.

TESAT has partnered with MDA as part of the development of the Direct Radiating Array (DRA), a revolutionary phased array that will herald the future of satellite communications.

MDA will deliver over 1000 units for which TESAT, as a collaboration partner, will provide essential power components. These RF modules are based on TESAT’s longtime heritage and knowhow in the development and production of space equipment, paired with its capability and experience in the high reliable and high volume space module production.

“MDA is excited to collaborate with TESAT on the Telesat Lightspeed program. TESAT’s ability to deliver high quality RF modules at a high production rate will be key to the success of the Direct Radiating Array program.”

-Amer Khouri, VP Satellite Systems, MDA.

 

About Tesat
At TESAT in Backnang, around 1,000 employees develop, manufacture and distribute systems and equipment for telecommunications via satellite. The product range spans from smallest space-specific components to modules, entire assemblies or payloads. As the world's only provider and technology leader of in-orbit-verified optical terminals for data transmission via laser (LCTs), TESAT has a focus on commercial and institutional space programs.

About MDA
Serving the world from its Canadian home and global offices, MDA is an international space mission partner and a robotics, satellite systems and geointelligence pioneer with a 50-year story of firsts on and above the Earth. With over 2,000 employees across Canada, the US and the UK, MDA is leading the charge towards viable Moon colonies, enhanced Earth observation, communication in a hyper-connected world, and more. With a track record of making space ambitions come true, MDA enables highly skilled people to continually push boundaries, tackle big challenges, and imagine solutions that inspire and endure to change the world for the better, on the ground and in the stars. www.MDA.space

https://www.tesat.de/news/press/899-tesat-partners-with-mda-for-telesat-lightspeed
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I haven't listened to the earnings call yet, but SpaceNews has an article with some info from it.

https://spacenews.com/telesat-ready-to-move-fast-on-selling-spectrum-to-fund-lightspeed-constellation/
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It has lined up Blue Origin and Relativity Space, which have yet to conduct an orbital launch, and Goldberg said it is in talks with others that he expects to announce this year.

He said he is confident Blue Origin will be up and running by the time it needs to launch.
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The New Glenn rocket Blue Origin is developing could launch around 30 of its satellites at a time, he said, depending on the orbit. SpaceX could launch 15-16 satellites to an inclined orbit on a Falcon 9 and “something like 13” to a polar orbit.

Launches will happen “around two years time,” he added.

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Telesat unlikely to get a C-band windfall for Lightspeed network

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The Canadian government said May 21 that it will hold an auction for the 3800 MHz band in early 2023 and not Telesat.

It is unclear whether Telesat will be compensated for satellites, gateways and other infrastructure it loses as it relocates broadcast services to other parts of the band.

C-band holders in the U.S. are getting billions of dollars from the FCC’s auction for reimbursements and incentive payments to expedite the clearing process.

However, Canada has a history of revoking spectrum and not providing compensation to incumbent users.

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@Thales_Alenia_S will provide the Optical Inter Satellite Links for @Telesat ’s #Lightspeed LEO 298-satellite #constellation http://thls.co/XaHV50F8j1G Building on 20 years of @Thales_Alenia_S ’s expertise in optical communications and optoelectronics instruments in #Switzerland

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@Thales_Alenia_S will provide the Optical Inter Satellite Links for @Telesat ’s #Lightspeed LEO 298-satellite #constellation http://thls.co/XaHV50F8j1G Building on 20 years of @Thales_Alenia_S ’s expertise in optical communications and optoelectronics instruments in #Switzerland

Allegedly using ThalesAlenia Space OPTEL-C lasercomm terminals, which apparently can do greater than 10Gbit full duplex...

https://gandh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/6_Buchheim_TASCH_OFC19-1.pdf

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Ontario’s government invests in Lightspeed constellation

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Telesat has struck a deal with Ontario’s government to partly fund its Lightspeed constellation, which will dedicate some of its satellite capacity to improving connectivity in the Canadian province.

The Ottawa, Ontario-headquartered satellite operator said the five-year agreement is worth 109 million Canadian dollars ($87 million), and focuses on extending high-speed internet and cellular networks to unserved and underserved communities.

Lightspeed, the low Earth orbit broadband constellation that Telesat aims to bring into service in 2023, will offer internet service providers and cellular operators substantially reduced rates for part of its capacity under the plan.

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Telesat close to completing Lightspeed funding

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Telesat is close to securing all the funds it needs for Lightspeed, after the Canadian government said it would inject more than a billion dollars into the low Earth orbit constellation.

The government plans to invest 1.44 billion Canadian dollars ($1.15 billion) in the project, which aims to start launching a network of nearly 300 broadband satellites next year.

In return, Telesat will invest in Canadian infrastructure to build out Lightspeed, including hundreds of jobs and scholarships.

It means Telesat has now made arrangements for about 4 billion Canadian dollars of funding for Lightspeed, more than two-thirds of its expected overall cost. Telesat has put a $5 billion price tag on Lightspeed, or 6.3 billion Canadian dollars.

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Telesat to become a public company next week amid Lightspeed delay [dated Nov. 10]

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Canadian satellite operator Telesat expects to start publicly trading shares next week, broadening potential funding sources for its delayed $5 billion low Earth orbit Lightspeed broadband network.

Telesat expects to finish its merger with Loral Space & Communications, a major shareholder that already trades on the Nasdaq, Nov. 19 following a two-day closing process.

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Diversifying funding sources is becoming increasingly important for the operator as pandemic-related component shortages cause delays at Europe’s Thales Alenia Space (TAS), which is prime manufacturer for Lightspeed under a $3 billion contract.

Dan Goldberg, Telesat’s CEO, said during the company’s quarterly financial results call Nov. 5 that TAS “recently informed us that the global supply chain issues out there will delay the construction of the Lightspeed satellites, which in turn will delay our getting into commercial service.

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A Telesat official said the company does not anticipate any issues with the operator’s ITU filings, however, it will need to seek an extension to meet commitments made with the Federal Communications Commission.

“In regards to the FCC, Telesat does not expect to deploy 50% of its currently-authorized satellites prior to the FCC’s 50% deadline of November 3, 2023,” the official told SpaceNews.

“However, we can seek a waiver under precedents in which the FCC has extended milestones based on factors such as substantial expenditures and concrete progress toward completion of satellite construction.”

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Telesat goes public in a boost for LEO constellation funding talks [dated Nov. 19]

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Satellite operator Telesat started trading as a public company Nov. 19 in the U.S. and Canada, boosting talks with export-credit agencies about funding the rest of its $5 billion Lightspeed broadband constellation.

Ottawa-based Telesat did not raise cash in listing on Nasdaq and the Toronto Stock Exchange by merging with shareholder Loral Space & Communications, but the move should help accelerate years of discussions with debt lenders to secure the final $2 billion it needs for a network comprising nearly 300 satellites in low Earth orbit.

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The biggest obstacle in the way of finalizing Telesat Lightspeed’s funding is the uncertainty around the constellation’s deployment schedule, however, as its European manufacturer Thales Alenia Space runs into pandemic-related supply chain issues.

Goldberg said Telesat is still waiting to hear from Thales about the magnitude of these delays.

“Our teams are meeting on a daily basis figuring this out,” he said, adding that Thales has to “go back through their supply chain and whatnot, so it takes a little bit of time, but we’ll know shortly.”

The company does not expect any issues with Telesat Lightspeed’s International Telecommunication Union filings, but it has said it will need an extension to meet deployment commitments made with the U.S. Federal Communications Commission.

Without a waiver from the FCC, Telesat has to deploy 50% of Lightspeed’s satellites by Nov. 3, 2023.

Lightspeed’s manufacturing delays will not result in a “meaningful change” in cost for Telesat, Goldberg added, and potentially give it more time to optimize the network’s design.

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He expects to have clarity on Telesat’s discussions with Canada’s export-credit agency, and its counterpart in France, “in the coming months” to finalize the constellation’s financing in the near term.

The next step after completing the financing will be to “hit the big green button” on production, according to Goldberg.

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Telesat Lightspeed aiming to break ground early next year

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Landing stations that can connect to Telesat’s planned low Earth orbit (LEO) broadband network will start being built in spring 2023, according to an executive for the Canadian satellite operator.

Danish equipment supplier Cobham SATCOM plans to install the first of 30 global landing stations in Canada, Telesat LEO landing station and user terminal director Aneesh Dalvi said after announcing their partnership Feb. 1.

Cobham SATCOM built the landing station for testing the Telesat Phase 1 prototype that was launched to LEO in January 2018, and is also in the process of replacing most of the ground infrastructure for U.S.-based satellite operator Globalstar.

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Telesat mulls downsizing delayed LEO plan as costs mount

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Telesat is considering ordering fewer satellites for its planned low Earth orbit broadband constellation as inflation and supply chain woes drive up the price tag and push out its completion to 2026.

During a March 18 earnings call about Telesat’s 2021 results, CEO Dan Goldberg told analysts, “we either need to raise more money, or we need to descope the constellation” to keep it within a previously projected $5 billion budget.

Telesat chose Thales Alenia Space of France and Italy in February 2021 as prime contractor for the 298-satellite Lightspeed constellation. By late last year, Thales told Telesat it had run into pandemic-related production delays.

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Telesat adjusts polar satellite design to tackle supply issues

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Telesat has upgraded a quarter of its planned low Earth orbit constellation as supply chain issues force it to consider ordering fewer satellites for the delayed broadband network.

The Canadian company’s plan to double the antennas onboard Telesat Lightspeed’s first 78 satellites brings the constellation back to a single satellite design that, according to a company executive, will help cut costs as production delays push out the service’s debut a year to 2026.

These initial satellites are destined for polar orbits and the changes mean they will have two pairs of antennas like the inclined satellites planned for the rest of the constellation, said Erwin Hudson, Lightspeed’s system development vice president.

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Telesat to order 100 fewer satellites for LEO constellation

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Increasing costs and delays have forced Telesat to downsize plans for 298 low Earth orbit satellites by a third to keep within its $5 billion budget.

The Canadian satellite operator plans to order just 188 satellites plus 10 in-orbit spares from Thales Alenia Space, Telesat CEO Dan Goldberg said during the company’s May 6 earnings call.

That is still enough for the Telesat Lightspeed network to provide “something like 10 terabits of capacity” globally, according to Goldberg, which is more capacity than all current satellites in geostationary orbit combined.

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Risky to interpret individual career moves, but Isabelle Buret, @Thales_Alenia_S chief engineer for @Telesat Lightspeed LEO network & former Thales design director for @IridiumComm Next constellation, has left to become VP, advanced system development, at @OneWeb.

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.@Telesat Lightspeed @ITU deadline beyond reach, co will ask for extension; new @Thales_Alenia_S inflation-adjusted cost estimate plus @Bpifrance @ExportDevCanada contingency funding demand could increase cost by $1B, to $6B. https://bit.ly/3vPNNDI

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Amazon and Telesat coordinate their planned NGSO constellations

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Amazon and Telesat said Sept. 21 they have finalized spectrum arrangements to keep their planned satellites in non-geostationary orbit (NGSO) from interfering with each other.

The coordination deals “ensure the coexistence” of their broadband constellations, the companies told the Federal Communications Commission in a letter.

Both constellations plan to use Ka-band spectrum to provide broadband services to user terminals.

Amazon secured a spectrum license for its Project Kuiper network as part of the FCC’s 2020 NGSO processing round, while Telesat’s Lightspeed was processed as part of an earlier 2016 round.

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The Telesat Lightspeed constellation uncertainty continues:

Anuvu gets deal to resell Starlink to maritime customers amid Telesat uncertainty [dated Jan. 18]

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Mobile satellite connectivity specialist Anuvu said Jan. 17 it has signed a deal to resell Starlink services as plans to use a rival constellation proposed by Telesat remain uncertain.

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Around the middle of this year, SpaceX is slated to launch the first two small GEO satellites for Anuvu’s dedicated constellation. Anuvu ordered the satellite from Astranis in 2021 four months after emerging from bankruptcy protection.

The dedicated satellites are part of an expansion plan that in February 2022 saw Anuvu sign “the largest yet in a series of satellite capacity deals” with Telesat, a Canadian company with a fleet of GEO satellites.

Their agreement covered capacity on GEO satellites using terminals designed to be forward-compatible with the Canadian operator’s proposed Lightspeed LEO constellation.

Mike Pigott, Anuvu’s executive vice president for connectivity, described the agreement at the time as “setting the stage for LEO connectivity with Telesat Lightspeed.”

However, Telesat’s LEO plans are beset by cost overruns and delays that have pushed any commercial service launch to at least 2026.

Telesat said last year that it expected to finalize funding for the constellation of nearly 200 satellites around the end of 2022, enabling Europe’s Thales Alenia Space to kick-start full-scale production.

Asked for an update, Telesat told SpaceNews Jan. 18 that the operator is “not issuing any new public statements at this time.”

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Telesat  publishes Q4-2022 quarterly report, finally admits won't meet FCC milestones for Lightspeed, says might not get extension, explains ITU milestones but won't mention 01-JAN-23 deadline for milestone 1 as in Q4-2021 report. Is Lightspeed dead?

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1641148573659037720

https://spacenews.com/telesat-eyes-2026-for-first-lightspeed-launches-amid-funding-delays/

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Telesat now expects to start deploying satellites for Lightspeed around 2026, six years later than originally planned as talks to fund the low Earth orbit broadband constellation drag on.

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Speaking during the company’s quarterly earnings call with analysts, Goldberg said inflationary pressures have since stabilized but he did not give an update on Lightspeed costs or launch agreements for the nearly 200 satellites to be built by Europe’s Thales Alenia Space.

Telesat has previously said it plans to use rockets still under development by Blue Origin and Relativity Space to deploy the constellation.

Telesat has left its deal with Thales Alenia for manufacturing of its Lightspeed constellation. The 198 satellite LEO network will now be manufactured by MDA, which is expected to save Telesat $2 billion. The satellites are also expected to be slightly smaller then the previous design while maintaining the same levels of performance. The first 156 satellites will be funded through equity contribution from Telesat and other vendor funding, with the remaining satellites to be funded by initial Lightspeed cashflow. Launches still expected to start in mid 2026, with global service starting in late 2027. The launch vehicles to be used were not mentioned in this release, but I believe Blue and/or Relativity have been considered in the past.

https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/telesat-contracts-mda-as-prime-satellite-manufacturer-for-its-advanced-telesat-lightspeed-low-earth-orbit-constellation/ [Aug 11]

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OTTAWA, CANADA – August 11, 2023 –Telesat (NASDAQ and TSX: TSAT), one of the world’s largest and most innovative satellite operators, today announced that space technology company MDA Ltd. (TSX: MDA) will build 198 advanced satellites for the Telesat Lightspeed Low Earth Orbit (LEO) program. Telesat also announced that Telesat Lightspeed is now fully funded through global service delivery taking into account the company’s own equity contribution, certain vendor financing, and aggregate funding commitments from its Canadian federal and provincial government partners.   
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There was a media conference earlier this morning, Space News article has a few more details from this.

https://spacenews.com/telesats-leo-constellation-fully-funded-after-manufacturer-switch/ [Aug 11]

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MDA is building 198 satellites for Telesat’s Lightspeed constellation under a contract worth 2.1 billion Canadian dollars ($1.6 billion), with launches slated to start in the middle of mid-2026.

Weighing 750 kilograms each, Telesat CEO Dan Goldberg said the satellites are 75% smaller than earlier versions planned by Thales Alenia Space, but would have the same performance by using digital beam-forming array antennas instead of the analog terminals MDA was due to supply as a subcontractor.

Telesat expects the total cost for 156 satellites to be around $3.5 billion, when factoring in launches and other expenses, including the ground systems and user terminal technology that would also be used for the 42 follow-on satellites.

Glenn Katz, Telesat’s chief commercial officer, told SpaceNews the company has contracted all the launch vehicles required to complete the 198-satellite constellation, but declined to disclose details.

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Glenn Katz, Telesat’s chief commercial officer, told SpaceNews the company has contracted all the launch vehicles required to complete the 198-satellite constellation, but declined to disclose details.
Seems likely Telsat has call up the Hawthonre folks to deploy their Lightspeed constellation. The alternate launch options seems to be under capacity and expensive.

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Glenn Katz, Telesat’s chief commercial officer, told SpaceNews the company has contracted all the launch vehicles required to complete the 198-satellite constellation, but declined to disclose details.
Seems likely Telsat has call up the Hawthonre folks to deploy their Lightspeed constellation. The alternate launch options seems to be under capacity and expensive.

Yes I agree that SpaceX would be the "safe" bid here, but they may also go with Blue. I dont think Relativity will be around in time to support but who knows. Whats also interesting is this; I assume that all launches will be going to a polar orbit. This is similar to Rivada's LEO network that SpaceX is launching on F9, set to start in April 2025 and span 14 months with 12 launches. That brings us to mid 2026, right when Telesat wants to start launching. It would probably take 12 or so launches for F9 to launch all of the Lightspeed constellation, and SpaceX could start doing so from Vandenburg right after Rivada is all deployed, basically without skipping a beat. Of course they may have SLC-6 up and running by then to help out. The only other factor that might be an issue would be satellite size, fitting in that 5 meter fairing, but honestly I doubt that was a problem before, and it should be less of a problem now as the satellites have shrunk by about 250kg.

For the other potential providers apart from ULA, they would have to take the polar corridor out east as both Blue and Relativity dont currently have a west coast launch site. But we'll see what happens.

Imagine if this happens though. Who would have thought SpaceX would not only launch their own LEO constellation, but also 3 others at the same time (OneWeb, Rivada, and Telesat). Only Kuiper remains, but they may have to bite the bullet if their 3 providers dont come through soon.
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About 10x F9R launches so $600-650m.

About 10x F9R launches so $600-650m.

I only said 12 because that works out to be about the same mass per launch as the Rivada constellation will have, 300 sats/12 launches*500kg = 12.5 tons per launch, and 198 satellites/12 launches*750kg = 12.375 tons. I assume its a little lower for the Rivada system then what might be F9's theoretical performance because its going polar but also because they may want to deploy the satellites a bit higher, maybe >500km. Iirc the operational altitudes for both these systems is about 1000km. Also as far as I know neither of these systems is using flatpack sats like starlink, so the dispenser tower or whatever it will be will definitely add a bit of mass.
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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #68 on: 08/17/2023 09:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1692252015722692781
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MDA: Our $1.55B, 198-satellite @Telesat Lightspeed contract's a huge help to our bids for other LEO constellations, several of which have passed our credibility test. Supply chain decisions - bus, laser terminals - yet to come.
https://www.spaceintelreport.com/mda-ltd-ceo-our-198-satellite-1-55b-telesat-lightspeed-contract-positions-us-for-other-constellation-wins/
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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #69 on: 09/11/2023 12:37 pm »
And Telesat goes with SpaceX!

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Great News!Telesat Lightspeed satellites will be launched into orbit by SpaceX using their Falcon 9 rocket. The launches are scheduled to begin in 2026 and SpaceX’s rapid launch cadence will ensure worldwide services available to Telesat customers by 2027

https://twitter.com/Telesat/status/1701198286147764565?s=20

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Telesat and SpaceX Announce 14-Launch Agreement for Advanced Telesat Lightspeed LEO Satellites

OTTAWA, CANADA and HAWTHORNE, CALIFORNIA – September 11, 2023 –Telesat (NASDAQ and TSX: TSAT), one of the world’s largest and most innovative satellite operators, and SpaceX, which designs, manufactures and launches the world’s most advanced rockets and spacecraft, today announced a multi-launch agreement to deliver the Telesat Lightspeed constellation to Low Earth Orbit (LEO).

Telesat has contracted 14 launches on SpaceX’s Falcon 9, the most reliable and only reusable orbital rocket flying today, which will carry up to 18 Telesat Lightspeed satellites to LEO per launch. The launch campaign is scheduled to commence in 2026 and will take advantage of SpaceX’s high launch cadence to rapidly deploy the satellites and enable Telesat to begin providing global service in 2027. Launches for the campaign will lift off from SpaceX’s launch facilities in California and Florida.

Designed from inception to serve the demanding, mission-critical connectivity requirements of enterprise and government users, the optically-linked Telesat Lightspeed network will provide multi-Gbps data links and highly secure, resilient, low-latency broadband connectivity anywhere in the world. With the August signing of MDA as the prime satellite manufacturer and all necessary launch contracts in place for global constellation deployment, Telesat is well-positioned to begin delivering unmatched, enterprise-class connectivity in late 2027.

“SpaceX has been a trusted and effective launch provider to Telesat on our geostationary satellite programs and I am delighted that they will be supporting us with their highly reliable Falcon 9 rocket to deploy the Telesat Lightspeed constellation, the most ambitious program in Telesat’s 54-year history,” stated Dan Goldberg, Telesat’s President and CEO. “Given the dedication and professionalism of the SpaceX team, and their outstanding track record of reliability and demonstrated high launch cadence, I have the utmost confidence that they will be an outstanding partner in helping us bring Telesat Lightspeed into service in a timely and low risk manner.”

“With growing demand for high-speed internet around the world, SpaceX is proud to launch and deploy Telesat’s Lightspeed constellation” said SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell. “Building upon our successful launch partnership to-date, we look forward to flying Telesat once again as they expand connectivity capabilities for their customers across the globe.”

On a side note, Blue needs to update their website now ;D

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #70 on: 09/11/2023 04:17 pm »
While we're wondering, I wonder if this might have any impact on the Amazon shareholder lawsuit, and if we might see any of the contract details exposed to demonstrate a realistic case for what a large multi-launch order from SpaceX might have cost Amazon had they selected them as a launcher for Kuiper.  Presumably Telesat isn't paying the oft-cited $67 million a launch public listed price...

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #71 on: 09/11/2023 04:30 pm »
I'd guess they get a multi-launch discount, but I'll also guess SpaceX provides the deployers, so that may add back a little.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #72 on: 09/11/2023 04:39 pm »
Given lack of launch competition Telesat may not have received that much of a discount.



Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #73 on: 09/11/2023 05:24 pm »
https://spacenews.com/telesat-qa-getting-back-to-lightspeed/

I put some of the more interesting quotes here, bolded is question from the interviewer.

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Does the plan call for more prototypes, or will the next launch for Lightspeed be full-scale satellites?

The first launch will be the actual satellites, although maybe we’ll launch just a couple of them and do a bunch of in-orbit testing and whatnot before getting on a very active launch cadence to populate the constellation.

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My expectation is mass production will probably be in the middle of the second half of 2025.

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You have previously talked about launch agreements with Blue Origin and Relativity Space. Is that still the plan?

We have those arrangements in place, and we’ve got another announcement that’ll be coming as well [Telesat announced a contract with SpaceX Sep. 11 for 14 Falcon 9 launches, enough for deploying the entire constellation].

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How would 198 satellites improve services versus 156?

The initial 156 will give us a hugely capable, multi-terabit constellation, but getting up to 198 will give us some incremental capacity and densify the network.


Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #74 on: 09/11/2023 05:27 pm »
https://spacenews.com/telesat-signs-multi-launch-spacex-deal-covering-all-lightspeed-satellites/

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She said Telesat did not intend to use Relativity for the initial constellation deployment. Instead, Telesat would use the 3D printing specialist for single satellite launches to replace a satellite or add to the constellation.

Based on this, sounds like they were only planning on using Terran 1. Now that thats gone, I doubt Terran R will be used at all now that they signed with Falcon and are keeping the Blue contract open for later launches.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #75 on: 09/11/2023 05:42 pm »
https://spacenews.com/telesat-signs-multi-launch-spacex-deal-covering-all-lightspeed-satellites/

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She said Telesat did not intend to use Relativity for the initial constellation deployment. Instead, Telesat would use the 3D printing specialist for single satellite launches to replace a satellite or add to the constellation.

Based on this, sounds like they were only planning on using Terran 1. Now that thats gone, I doubt Terran R will be used at all now that they signed with Falcon and are keeping the Blue contract open for later launches.
I suspect that they will re-evaluate and possibly ask for bids whenever a change in the LV industry warrants it. That might be each time a new LV actually becomes operational. Planning on using an LV that is not yet operational has proven to be a bad idea.

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« Reply #76 on: 09/11/2023 09:39 pm »


Planning on using an LV that is not yet operational has proven to be a bad idea.

Its OK if you plan to share launches with operational LV. Not such a good idea when 3 of 4 LVs are new and yet to fly and 4th is end of life ie Kuiper. 


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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #77 on: 09/12/2023 02:02 am »
I'd guess they get a multi-launch discount, but I'll also guess SpaceX provides the deployers, so that may add back a little.

I highly doubt they were provided with any discount. SpaceX could charge a premium based on “congested supply” and still win easily.

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« Reply #78 on: 09/12/2023 02:39 am »
I'd guess they get a multi-launch discount, but I'll also guess SpaceX provides the deployers, so that may add back a little.

I highly doubt they were provided with any discount. SpaceX could charge a premium based on “congested supply” and still win easily.

It would be hard for SpaceX to argue that they don't have the capacity, even with Starlink launches. SpaceX wants to move to Starship as quickly as possible for Starlink, which by the time the Telesat constellation is ready to launch may already be happening. So if anything Telesat would be benefiting from all the high tempo launch rates Starlink is mandating today.

As for launch pricing, SpaceX advertises their prices publicly for the basic launch, and I don't think they would feel the need to discount - nor increase. If anything I think SpaceX President Shotwell would relish the ability to show that SpaceX provides standard pricing regardless if you are a competitor - it would only increase their customer base for launches.
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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« Reply #79 on: 09/12/2023 03:05 am »
Any big space project more than 3 years in the future is dubious, due to ongoing possibility of a big economic crash.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #80 on: 09/12/2023 08:25 am »
https://spacenews.com/telesat-signs-multi-launch-spacex-deal-covering-all-lightspeed-satellites/

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She said Telesat did not intend to use Relativity for the initial constellation deployment. Instead, Telesat would use the 3D printing specialist for single satellite launches to replace a satellite or add to the constellation.

Based on this, sounds like they were only planning on using Terran 1. Now that thats gone, I doubt Terran R will be used at all now that they signed with Falcon and are keeping the Blue contract open for later launches.
Or they batch up satellites for Terran R launches, as occurred with Orbcomm OG2 after the Falcon 1 cancellation in favour of Falcon 9.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #81 on: 09/12/2023 01:26 pm »
Any big space project more than 3 years in the future is dubious, due to ongoing possibility of a big economic crash.
I know of no big space project that has ever met a scheduled date more than 3 years in the future, except the Apollo Moon landing. No big economic crash is needed. Space industry schedules are fantasies.  Telesat actually has a better chance than most, since they intend to use a proven LV.

I could be wrong, Counterexamples welcome.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #82 on: 09/12/2023 10:40 pm »
Any big space project more than 3 years in the future is dubious, due to ongoing possibility of a big economic crash.
I know of no big space project that has ever met a scheduled date more than 3 years in the future, except the Apollo Moon landing. No big economic crash is needed. Space industry schedules are fantasies.  Telesat actually has a better chance than most, since they intend to use a proven LV.

I could be wrong, Counterexamples welcome.

Starlink.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #83 on: 09/12/2023 11:40 pm »
Any big space project more than 3 years in the future is dubious, due to ongoing possibility of a big economic crash.
I know of no big space project that has ever met a scheduled date more than 3 years in the future, except the Apollo Moon landing. No big economic crash is needed. Space industry schedules are fantasies.  Telesat actually has a better chance than most, since they intend to use a proven LV.

I could be wrong, Counterexamples welcome.

Starlink.

Which is unlikely to be copy by anyone else. Since Starlink is build, launched and operated by SpaceX. The only entity that might be close is Blue Origin and Project Kuiper, however they hasn't build or launch anything to orbit yet.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #84 on: 09/12/2023 11:50 pm »
Any big space project more than 3 years in the future is dubious, due to ongoing possibility of a big economic crash.
I know of no big space project that has ever met a scheduled date more than 3 years in the future, except the Apollo Moon landing. No big economic crash is needed. Space industry schedules are fantasies.  Telesat actually has a better chance than most, since they intend to use a proven LV.

I could be wrong, Counterexamples welcome.

Starlink.
Depends on which starting date you look at. I remember hearing Greg Wyler saying in 2015 that Elon wanted to get operational by 2019. I'm not sure I ever saw that in writing.

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« Reply #85 on: 09/13/2023 12:17 am »
You know Elon time is actually a little later than projected.  Things happen that cause delays.  However Starlink is the only real operational system for high speed internet. 

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #86 on: 10/27/2023 01:44 pm »
SAT-MPL-20231026-00263
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B. Summary of Request for Milestone Extension or Bond Porting
In this filing, Telesat requests that the Commission:

(i)
Grant extensions of (x) the first milestone in Telesat’s Grant,3 which establishes a deadline for Telesat to launch and place into operation 50% of its 117 first round satellites, from November 3, 2023, to March 19, 2028; and (y) the second milestone in Telesat’s Grant, which establishes a deadline for Telesat to launch and place into operation the remainder of its 117 first round satellites, from November 3, 2026, to June 10, 2028.4

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In the alternative, if the Commission declines to extend Telesat’s milestones, Telesat asks that its first processing round bond be ported and placed at risk against Telesat’s second processing round Modified Design system. In a contemporaneously filed amendment to its second round application (the “Companion Amendment”), Telesat is requesting that if Telesat’s milestone extension request is denied, which would have the effect of causing Telesat’s first processing round Grant to be terminated, the Commission convert Telesat’s second processing round application, which currently seeks a modification of the first round Grant, to a stand-alone second processing round application.

SAT-MPL-20231026-00264

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« Reply #87 on: 10/27/2023 03:10 pm »
SAT-MPL-20231026-00263
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B. Summary of Request for Milestone Extension or Bond Porting
In this filing, Telesat requests that the Commission:

(i)
Grant extensions of (x) the first milestone in Telesat’s Grant,3 which establishes a deadline for Telesat to launch and place into operation 50% of its 117 first round satellites, from November 3, 2023, to March 19, 2028; and (y) the second milestone in Telesat’s Grant, which establishes a deadline for Telesat to launch and place into operation the remainder of its 117 first round satellites, from November 3, 2026, to June 10, 2028.4

(ii)
In the alternative, if the Commission declines to extend Telesat’s milestones, Telesat asks that its first processing round bond be ported and placed at risk against Telesat’s second processing round Modified Design system. In a contemporaneously filed amendment to its second round application (the “Companion Amendment”), Telesat is requesting that if Telesat’s milestone extension request is denied, which would have the effect of causing Telesat’s first processing round Grant to be terminated, the Commission convert Telesat’s second processing round application, which currently seeks a modification of the first round Grant, to a stand-alone second processing round application.

SAT-MPL-20231026-00264

Wow, a 4.5 year extension request on the half-constellation deadline.  It will be interesting to see if the FCC will grant it.

I was expecting Starlink V-band to be the precedent setter.  But I forgot about Telesat.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #88 on: 10/27/2023 05:49 pm »
It seems like too much of an extension, and the way it's written sounds like Telesat doesn't really expect to get it.  Just moving to the second round would probably be a good outcome for them.

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Re: Telesat's Lightspeed LEO Constellation
« Reply #89 on: 04/02/2024 12:32 am »
Telesat and the Canadian government worked out a deal that covers about half of the expected budget for the Lightspeed constellation.

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OTTAWA, CANADA – April 1, 2024 – Telesat (NASDAQ and TSX: TSAT), one of the world’s largest and most innovative satellite operators, announced that on March 28, 2024, Telesat received a letter from Canada’s Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry regarding an investment in Telesat Lightspeed. The letter states that, following several months of negotiations between Telesat and federal officials, the Government of Canada (GoC) is prepared to invest C$2.14 billion in Telesat Lightspeed by way of a loan to Telesat LEO Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Telesat, that is developing and will own and operate the highly advanced Telesat Lightspeed Low Earth Orbit (LEO) global broadband satellite constellation.

https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/telesat-and-government-of-canada-agree-to-terms-on-c2-14-billion-loan-in-support-of-telesat-lightspeed/

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