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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #140 on: 01/29/2018 11:37 PM »
New license for GPS/radio testing was just granted. I think it expires in 2098...

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/GetApplicationInfo.cfm?id_file_num=0833-EX-CN-2017

It's for GPS reradiation testing so that they can test the onboard GPS systems for New Shepard vehicles during production in Kent, Washington. 

And no, it isn't good for 80 years.  ;D  It expires November 27, 2019.

Ah, I had thought that was a bit liberal ;D I think the purpose may well be broader than the application itself shows. The attached exhibit is a good read, mentions that they expect the testing to proceed for more than five years.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #141 on: 02/13/2018 04:23 PM »
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Caught around 6 pm by my friend Doug Jordan. It appears a previously used rocket is being delivered to the lobby at @blueorigin Knock, knock- delivery! https://t.co/s9xFKjR7H4

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/963193287376064512

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #142 on: 02/13/2018 06:04 PM »
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Caught around 6 pm by my friend Doug Jordan. It appears a previously used rocket is being delivered to the lobby at @blueorigin Knock, knock- delivery! https://t.co/s9xFKjR7H4

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/963193287376064512
Yes, that's a New Shepard.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #143 on: 02/13/2018 10:17 PM »
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Caught around 6 pm by my friend Doug Jordan. It appears a previously used rocket is being delivered to the lobby at @blueorigin Knock, knock- delivery! https://t.co/s9xFKjR7H4

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/963193287376064512
Yes, that's a New Shepard.
I believe it is to be installed for display. I read a while back that it was a plan under discussion.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #144 on: 02/13/2018 10:18 PM »
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Caught around 6 pm by my friend Doug Jordan. It appears a previously used rocket is being delivered to the lobby at @blueorigin Knock, knock- delivery! https://t.co/s9xFKjR7H4

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/963193287376064512
Puny little thing, isn't it?

(you'd expect it to be smaller than an F9, since it doesn't go as far or as fast,  but it does seem small)
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #145 on: 02/14/2018 06:02 AM »
Installation update:

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On the way home today, it was no longer visible in the lobby entrance, however the door was wide open and I could see a crane in the lobby stretching up, so it's a good bet the booster was at the other end.

https://twitter.com/wordsmithfl/status/963595400623083521

Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #146 on: 02/14/2018 03:23 PM »
Puny little thing, isn't it?

(you'd expect it to be smaller than an F9, since it doesn't go as far or as fast,  but it does seem small)

It's these hydrogen rockets man. They say they use Hydrolox because it's more efficient, but I think we all know that the real reason is to mess with our expectations of scale. They just love making us think,"Wow, Delta IV is HUGE" or "Ya know, an Atlas V does look a bit top heavy."

I'm glad we have people who can stalk Blue's factory for the rest of us. Those of you who do, thank you for your service, it is much appreciated.
« Last Edit: 02/14/2018 03:24 PM by JEF_300 »

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #147 on: 02/22/2018 12:50 AM »
This seems to explain the timing of the stage being installed in the lobby:
https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/966099325691588608

Just in time for the VP visit.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #148 on: 03/07/2018 11:24 AM »
Job posting for Astronaut Experience Manager.

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As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will extend the legacy of space explorers while pioneering access to the space frontier. In this position you will be a part of a highly talented team that is completing a rigorous test campaign and design cycle as we begin operations of a new human spaceflight system. As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will work with a team that is creating a highly differentiated offering that culminates in the customer becoming an astronaut. In this role you will have direct impact on the history of space exploration, requiring your dedicated commitment and detailed attention towards safe and repeatable spaceflight.

New Shepard or New Glenn?
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You want to be inspired by things. You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great. That's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about. It's about believing in the future and believing the future will be better than the past. And I can't think of anything more exciting than being out there among the stars.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #149 on: 03/07/2018 03:07 PM »
Job posting for Astronaut Experience Manager.

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As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will extend the legacy of space explorers while pioneering access to the space frontier. In this position you will be a part of a highly talented team that is completing a rigorous test campaign and design cycle as we begin operations of a new human spaceflight system. As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will work with a team that is creating a highly differentiated offering that culminates in the customer becoming an astronaut. In this role you will have direct impact on the history of space exploration, requiring your dedicated commitment and detailed attention towards safe and repeatable spaceflight.

New Shepard or New Glenn?

It says right there in the job description: "Support New Shepard Customer program manager".

"•Experience managing hospitality operations, including budget and cost management
•Experience defining hospitality-focused customer experiences
•International hospitality experience
•Luxury brand experience
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Those give it away too. They are selling to tourists.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #150 on: 03/07/2018 03:24 PM »
Job posting for Astronaut Experience Manager.

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As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will extend the legacy of space explorers while pioneering access to the space frontier. In this position you will be a part of a highly talented team that is completing a rigorous test campaign and design cycle as we begin operations of a new human spaceflight system. As the Astronaut Experience Manager you will work with a team that is creating a highly differentiated offering that culminates in the customer becoming an astronaut. In this role you will have direct impact on the history of space exploration, requiring your dedicated commitment and detailed attention towards safe and repeatable spaceflight.

New Shepard or New Glenn?

It says right there in the job description: "Support New Shepard Customer program manager".

"•Experience managing hospitality operations, including budget and cost management
•Experience defining hospitality-focused customer experiences
•International hospitality experience
•Luxury brand experience
"

Those give it away too. They are selling to tourists.

I saw this. But this implies that the responsibilities of the "Astronaut Experience Manager" (AEM) and the "New Shepard Customer program manager" (NSCPM) don't completely overlap. A possibility might be, that the AEM is responsible for the VIPs that fly around the moon (or wherever) while the NSCPM handles the suborbital joyrides of normal plebs.
You want to be inspired by things. You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great. That's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about. It's about believing in the future and believing the future will be better than the past. And I can't think of anything more exciting than being out there among the stars.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #151 on: 03/10/2018 02:46 PM »
Cross-posting, just spotted Rob Meyerson, Senior VP, Advanced Development Programs, Blue Origin talk is about to start:

Ooooooooh, the rare super awesome MIT lineup with an actual webcast and the promise of an archived video after it ends! All credit to Reddit /u/CProphet for the find.

Paul Wooster, SpaceX's Principal Mars Dev Engineer, will be giving a talk around 1:30pm EST. Livestream is at the link below.
http://legacyweb.media.mit.edu/events/medialabtalk/

Do check the schedule for other things you may be interested in though - Blue for example has a talk soon.

Edit to add: turns out the live feed is on a panel discussion, Rob’s talk is in a different room :(
Hopefully there’ll be a recording.
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #152 on: 03/10/2018 03:01 PM »
Jeff Foust is on-hand:

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Rob Meyerson shows this chart of the various engines Blue Origin has developed and the vehicle that have used, or will use, them. #spaceexploration

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972501472440213504

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #153 on: 03/10/2018 03:19 PM »
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Meyerson: we’re going to enter the human spaceflight market later this year. #spaceexploration

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972504112976850945

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Meyerson: BE-3 engine is cornerstone of our vehicle development; we expect to be iterating on its design 50 years from now. #spaceexploration

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972505246114222081

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Meyerson notes Blue Origin is making “great progress” on BE-4 test program, but no additional details. #spaceexploration

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972505449399554049?s=21

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #154 on: 03/10/2018 03:58 PM »

Note I "like" the above post not only for the content, but because you (FST) are keeping us NSF-ers in the loop (and without a bunch of fluff, snark or opinion).
Thanks!

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #155 on: 03/10/2018 04:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972506710555463680

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Meyerson says Blue Origin, in addition to the Blue Moon lander concept, is also looking at reusable tugs for transport between LEO and the Moon. #spaceexploration


That's pretty significant. It suggests some form of distributed lift like ACES, or even depots. And also that New Glenn will be immediately useful for lunar exploration upfront, years before New Armstrong is ever needed. Perhaps they're trying to do for cislunar transport via New Glenn what SpaceX intends to do for Mars with BFR, including ISRU! 
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #156 on: 03/10/2018 06:06 PM »
Jeff Foust is on-hand:

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Rob Meyerson shows this chart of the various engines Blue Origin has developed and the vehicle that have used, or will use, them. #spaceexploration

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972501472440213504

Perspective & image of original adjusted.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #157 on: 03/10/2018 07:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972506710555463680

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Meyerson says Blue Origin, in addition to the Blue Moon lander concept, is also looking at reusable tugs for transport between LEO and the Moon. #spaceexploration


That's pretty significant. It suggests some form of distributed lift like ACES, or even depots. And also that New Glenn will be immediately useful for lunar exploration upfront, years before New Armstrong is ever needed. Perhaps they're trying to do for cislunar transport via New Glenn what SpaceX intends to do for Mars with BFR, including ISRU!

I had the same thought. The mention of tugs suggests to me that Blue is planning an entire orbital infrastructure for cislunar space operations that doesn't have to wait for New Armstrong. Whoa.

New Glenn + tugs + Blue Moon = big timeline adjustment.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #158 on: 03/10/2018 08:45 PM »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/972506710555463680

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Meyerson says Blue Origin, in addition to the Blue Moon lander concept, is also looking at reusable tugs for transport between LEO and the Moon. #spaceexploration


That's pretty significant. It suggests some form of distributed lift like ACES, or even depots. And also that New Glenn will be immediately useful for lunar exploration upfront, years before New Armstrong is ever needed. Perhaps they're trying to do for cislunar transport via New Glenn what SpaceX intends to do for Mars with BFR, including ISRU!

It also means Methlox refueling in LEO...
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #159 on: 03/10/2018 11:08 PM »
Hydrolox makes more sense for the Moon as it is easier to make there than methane. Blue is more focused on the Moon than Mars so this makes sense. They also have plenty of experience with hydrolox through New Sheppard and plan on making a hydrolox 3rd stage for New Glenn. A reusable tug is more than likely similar to ACES distributed lift, with the standard New Glenn third stage reconfigured for propellant top up and docking. Or further down the road, propellant depots on the surface of the Moon and in various orbits. Bezos has said he wants to build the "heavy lifting infrastructure" that will lower the cost for new start-ups in space.

The tweet indicating that 12 flights a year is only the intial flight rate and that they plan to ramp that up further was interesting! NG is basically in the Falcon Heavy class after reuse. It is hard to imagine that not taking customers away from other launch providers in the near terms unless dramatic new applications of space develop in the next few years.     
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