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Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« on: 10/17/2017 07:03 PM »
Thread 2 for this general Blue Origin thread. A new update only thread will be added later.

Thread one: (Over 800,000 views!)
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=10685.0

Will fill this opening post out with more content later.
« Last Edit: 10/17/2017 07:04 PM by Chris Bergin »

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #1 on: 10/19/2017 04:45 PM »
According Eric Berger (Senior Space Editor at Ars Technica), Blue Origin was once interested in buying ULA but such a move is no longer being considered:
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My bet is BO buys ULA.
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they've looked at this in the past, but it's off the table for now.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #2 on: 10/19/2017 04:59 PM »
The tweet says "they've looked at this in the past, but it's off the table for now".  This suggests such a strategy is something they might consider in the future.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #3 on: 10/19/2017 05:26 PM »
There's not much ULA has that BO needs at this point. They have the pad, hardware, manufacturing...etc..
And they don't need to buy them to acquire any of their talent/experience, if needed.

Too many legacy entanglements with that purchase. Not worth it IMO.
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #4 on: 10/20/2017 06:03 AM »
There's not much ULA has that BO needs at this point. They have the pad, hardware, manufacturing...etc..
And they don't need to buy them to acquire any of their talent/experience, if needed.

Too many legacy entanglements with that purchase. Not worth it IMO.
Agreed. ULA only becomes interesting to Blue again once Delta IV is gone, Atlas V is on its way out, the overhead in launchpads is gone as well as the personnel count. Also, ULA will have to become agile, not depending on just government work to stay in business. Once they succeed in doing that (and I think they eventually will) than they will be IMO interesting to Blue again.
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #5 on: 10/20/2017 11:34 AM »
VAFB pad ... SLC-2
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #6 on: 10/20/2017 05:31 PM »
There's not much ULA has that BO needs at this point. They have the pad, hardware, manufacturing...etc..
And they don't need to buy them to acquire any of their talent/experience, if needed.

Too many legacy entanglements with that purchase. Not worth it IMO.

The technology around ACES like IVF? 
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #7 on: 10/22/2017 06:33 AM »
There's not much ULA has that BO needs at this point. They have the pad, hardware, manufacturing...etc..
And they don't need to buy them to acquire any of their talent/experience, if needed.

Too many legacy entanglements with that purchase. Not worth it IMO.

The technology around ACES like IVF?

Only if they want to use LH2 extensively and for long duration missions. Not needed for methane.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #8 on: 10/22/2017 04:26 PM »
Only if they want to use LH2 extensively and for long duration missions. Not needed for methane.
They do. Their proposed third stage is hydrogen.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #9 on: 10/22/2017 04:45 PM »
Only if they want to use LH2 extensively and for long duration missions. Not needed for methane.
They do. Their proposed third stage is hydrogen.

Proposed is not the same as in use. Also it is unlikely that a third stage would be refueled. It could be useful to have a loiter time in the range of 3 days, for getting to lunar orbits or EM-L points. But that does not necessarily need an ICE, like ACES.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #10 on: 10/22/2017 08:57 PM »
Only if they want to use LH2 extensively and for long duration missions. Not needed for methane.
They do. Their proposed third stage is hydrogen.

I would bet that they go for a reusable US before a hydrolox 3rd stage.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hydrolox 3S never gets built.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #11 on: 10/25/2017 08:20 PM »
Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  3m3 minutes ago
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Gunderson: we’re developing New Shepard primarily to get practice in reusability; think there’s a suborbital market to sustain it. #vonbraun

Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust  2m2 minutes ago
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Gunderson: we’ll be launching the human-rated version of New Shepard starting later this year. Intend to be flying people next yr. #vonbraun

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #12 on: 10/31/2017 04:27 AM »
So will New Shepard more or less be competing with Virgin's SpaceShipTwo for customers?


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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #13 on: 10/31/2017 07:08 AM »
So will New Shepard more or less be competing with Virgin's SpaceShipTwo for customers?

I believe so. They are both aiming to launch tourists above 100 km.
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #14 on: 10/31/2017 08:40 AM »
So will New Shepard more or less be competing with Virgin's SpaceShipTwo for customers?

I believe so. They are both aiming to launch tourists above 100 km.
Yes, both on suborbital trajectories and both allowing the tourists to enjoy unrestricted "floating around the cabin" for roughly 5 minutes.
The main difference is in how they get up there: Rocketplane with glider landing vs rocket with propulsive landing.

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #16 on: 11/04/2017 07:17 AM »
Someone certainly thinks it’s for Blue:

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@JeffBezos congrats on cashing in $1.1B of Amazon Stock to fund Blue Origin. The future of Humanity is better for your investment! Thank U.

https://twitter.com/peterdiamandis/status/926592734743314433

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #17 on: 11/04/2017 08:38 AM »
Impressive if that is the case ... 2 bn$ invested by Jeff Bezos in Blue Origin in 2017 alone !  That should bring a strong momentum to their major development programmes : New Shepard and New Glenn. Maybe Blue Moon lander as well ?
According to Crunchbase, SpaceX has only raised 1,5bn$ in equity in total (mainly in 2015 and 2017 to be fair).
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/space-exploration-technologies

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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #18 on: 11/04/2017 08:55 AM »
Yeah, maybe they'll double their pace!  8)
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Re: Blue Origin General Discussion Thread 2
« Reply #19 on: 11/04/2017 11:21 AM »
Impressive if that is the case ... 2 bn$ invested by Jeff Bezos in Blue Origin in 2017 alone !  That should bring a strong momentum to their major development programmes : New Shepard and New Glenn. Maybe Blue Moon lander as well ?
According to Crunchbase, SpaceX has only raised 1,5bn$ in equity in total (mainly in 2015 and 2017 to be fair).
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/space-exploration-technologies
Or something spooked Bezos and he suddenly thinks New Glenn will not be enough?

Maybe they skip the reusable second stage for NG and go straight for NA.
« Last Edit: 11/04/2017 11:23 AM by jpo234 »
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