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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #240 on: 11/13/2017 09:32 PM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

Perhaps the Code name was indeed selected with Musk's South African background in mind. These code names are not always randomly chosen. One of the 60ies secret SIGINT missions was named LONG JOHN after a very tall team member, who developed the payload and WILD BILL was also named after one of the team members. Perhaps we will know, when ZUMA gets declassified in 50 years.
I suggested that on page two but the mods suggested we stop guessing and leave it be. I got it wrong too, his first name that is. I've spoken to many South Africans who suggest Zuma's wealth is accumulated through corrupt means. I don't know if that's true or not but I guess Musk would know that and would be smart enough not to get involved. Anyway, it's a US government funded mission isn't it? Would they name a mission after a foreign leader??  I don't know

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #241 on: 11/13/2017 10:25 PM »
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Northrop Grumman on #SpaceX Zuma launch: "This represents a cost effective approach to space access for government missions. Northrop realizes that this is monumental responsibility and has taken great care to ensure the most affordable and lowest risk scenario for Zuma."

https://twitter.com/nova_road/status/930211593014652934

Is that, we will scratch SpaceX back, if they scratch ours?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #242 on: 11/13/2017 10:54 PM »
Looks really close to 51.6 degrees. Is this going to have any close approaches to the ISS? It's odd that SpaceX has launched two USG classified birds to this inclination this year.
Also, the end of the launch window (which they could definitely be aiming, to keep the orbit somewhat unknown before launch) *almost* (Off by 15-20 minutes) lines up to launching into the plane of the ISS. So it's close. Almost exactly the same as NROL-76. And yes there will most lightly be close passes to station.

Okay, so what advantage could there be for a ~53 degree orbit, from a Milspace perspective?  It's the lowest inclination that the Russians can reach from Baikonur, roughly.  Do the Russians have a lot of military sats in this inclination?  Or the Chinese?  I mean, it's not a horrible inclination for surface imaging in visible, infrared, or RADAR:  the vast majority of the human population is within +/-50 degrees latitude.  If you wanted to get both coverage of China and significant repeat coverage for China this might be a good target inclination. 

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #243 on: 11/14/2017 01:56 AM »
Okay, so what advantage could there be for a ~53 degree orbit, from a Milspace perspective?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #244 on: 11/14/2017 03:43 AM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

Also Zuma Engineering & Research, which I believe is in LA. Their senior PM  worked for Northrop Grumman

http://www.zumaengineering.com/aboutus/frederickmitchell.html
« Last Edit: 11/14/2017 03:53 AM by docmordrid »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #245 on: 11/14/2017 03:52 AM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

Also Zuma Engineering & Research, which I believe is in LA. IIRC one of their principles worked for Northrop Grumman a while back.

Lots of possibilities.  There's also: https://www.z-uma.com/  (see also: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-zuma%E2%80%8B-ziska-bb288617/)
« Last Edit: 11/14/2017 03:53 AM by dnavas »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #246 on: 11/14/2017 03:54 AM »
PLS. NO MORE NAME SPECULATION :'(
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #247 on: 11/14/2017 03:55 AM »
Enough with the random guessing again.

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Just saw the new SpaceX photo of Falcon 9 and Zuma. It's up on the Update Thread.

Looks really blank with barely any fairing art.
« Last Edit: 11/15/2017 03:32 PM by ZachS09 »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #249 on: 11/15/2017 04:08 PM »
Just saw the new SpaceX photo of Falcon 9 and Zuma. It's up on the Update Thread.

Looks really blank with barely any fairing art.

Not even any NRO type abstract art?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #250 on: 11/15/2017 04:31 PM »
Just saw the new SpaceX photo of Falcon 9 and Zuma. It's up on the Update Thread.

Looks really blank with barely any fairing art.

Not even any NRO type abstract art?

Nope, just a very minimal "Northrop Grumman" in tiny letters.
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Just saw the new SpaceX photo of Falcon 9 and Zuma. It's up on the Update Thread.

Looks really blank with barely any fairing art.

Not even any NRO type abstract art?

It only has the NG logo on it.

*edit* image source:

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/930833296308674565
« Last Edit: 11/15/2017 04:34 PM by whitelancer64 »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #252 on: 11/15/2017 05:09 PM »
NROL-76 and Zuma may be to roughly the same inclination.  OTV-5 TBD, but also went in that general direction.  All with unknown missions to unprecedented orbits (more or less) for classified work (they hardly pass over Russian territory at all, for example).  All launched by Falcon 9 this year.  Interesting.

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« Last Edit: 11/15/2017 05:18 PM by edkyle99 »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #253 on: 11/15/2017 06:55 PM »
Rumors are circulating that the launch will not be livestreamed according to this article. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/879593/spacex-launch-date-time-when-is-falcon-9-zuma-payload-space-nasa-elon-musk 

The source is dubious at best.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #254 on: 11/15/2017 07:04 PM »
Rumors are circulating that the launch will not be livestreamed according to this article. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/879593/spacex-launch-date-time-when-is-falcon-9-zuma-payload-space-nasa-elon-musk 

The source is dubious at best.

Considering that they also think that FH will fly in late November, I wouldn't take this article too seriously - most likely they won't stream flight of 2nd stage (just like with NROL-76) and author of this article mistaken that for not streaming launch at all.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #255 on: 11/15/2017 07:09 PM »
Rumors are circulating that the launch will not be livestreamed according to this article. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/879593/spacex-launch-date-time-when-is-falcon-9-zuma-payload-space-nasa-elon-musk 

The source is dubious at best.

Considering that they also think that FH will fly in late November, I wouldn't take this article too seriously - most likely they won't stream flight of 2nd stage (just like with NROL-76) and author of this article mistaken that for not streaming launch at all.

The Express has gone downhill over the last 20 years or so. I don’t bother with it.  :)

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #256 on: 11/15/2017 07:12 PM »
Rumors are circulating that the launch will not be livestreamed according to this article. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/879593/spacex-launch-date-time-when-is-falcon-9-zuma-payload-space-nasa-elon-musk 

The source is dubious at best.

Considering that they also think that FH will fly in late November, I wouldn't take this article too seriously - most likely they won't stream flight of 2nd stage (just like with NROL-76) and author of this article mistaken that for not streaming launch at all.

The Express has gone downhill over the last 20 years or so. I don’t bother with it.  :)

This is not true.  The webcast will generally follow NRO and Air Force classified guidelines... with normal coverage through stage sep and then sole focus on the Booster's RTLS landing at LZ-1 with blackout rules on the second stage.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #257 on: 11/15/2017 07:20 PM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

Perhaps the Code name was indeed selected with Musk's South African background in mind. These code names are not always randomly chosen. One of the 60ies secret SIGINT missions was named LONG JOHN after a very tall team member, who developed the payload and WILD BILL was also named after one of the team members. Perhaps we will know, when ZUMA gets declassified in 50 years.


The name would have be selected long before the launch vehicle
« Last Edit: 11/15/2017 07:22 PM by Jim »

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #258 on: 11/15/2017 07:40 PM »
And, another error was the portion about the stage returning to OCISLY.  We know that’s incorrect.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #259 on: 11/15/2017 08:38 PM »
Question, is Zuma launch now simultaneous with Teslas big electric truck revelation?
Which one will Elon be at ? ;)

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