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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #221 on: 11/09/2017 11:07 PM »
Airspace closure area
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Launch Hazard Area.

Defo not GEO  8)

Edit: Added OTV-5 LHA for comparison, 45~deg parking orbit.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #223 on: 11/10/2017 12:09 AM »
Defo not GEO  8)
Edit: Added OTV-5 LHA for comparison, 45~deg parking orbit.
Airspace closure area
The airspace closures looks to be on an easterly azimuth, even if the sea-based hazard zone more closely resembles OTV-5 for a 45-degree inclination.  Also, why is the sea hazard area so much less extensive eastbound than it was for OTV-5?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #224 on: 11/10/2017 01:39 AM »
Defo not GEO  8)
Edit: Added OTV-5 LHA for comparison, 45~deg parking orbit.
Airspace closure area
The airspace closures looks to be on an easterly azimuth, even if the sea-based hazard zone more closely resembles OTV-5 for a 45-degree inclination.  Also, why is the sea hazard area so much less extensive eastbound than it was for OTV-5?
RTLS?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #225 on: 11/10/2017 01:41 AM »
Defo not GEO  8)
Edit: Added OTV-5 LHA for comparison, 45~deg parking orbit.
Airspace closure area
The airspace closures looks to be on an easterly azimuth, even if the sea-based hazard zone more closely resembles OTV-5 for a 45-degree inclination.  Also, why is the sea hazard area so much less extensive eastbound than it was for OTV-5?
RTLS?
OTV-5 was also RTLS.

My only thought is they are planning to use a very lofted flight path.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #227 on: 11/10/2017 10:35 AM »
I wonder if this might be the same vehicle bus as NROL-76? Both were RTLS, after all; there can't be many milspec busses that are light enough for that, even if they're only going into LEO.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #228 on: 11/10/2017 10:40 AM »
I wonder if this might be the same vehicle bus as NROL-76? Both were RTLS, after all; there can't be many milspec busses that are light enough for that, even if they're only going into LEO.

Unlikely, as NROL-76 was built by Ball Aerospace, not Northrop Grumman.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #229 on: 11/10/2017 11:37 AM »
Defo not GEO  8)
Edit: Added OTV-5 LHA for comparison, 45~deg parking orbit.
Airspace closure area
The airspace closures looks to be on an easterly azimuth, even if the sea-based hazard zone more closely resembles OTV-5 for a 45-degree inclination.  Also, why is the sea hazard area so much less extensive eastbound than it was for OTV-5?
RTLS?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #230 on: 11/10/2017 11:44 AM »
(Sorry - I was saying that in response to the question of why the sea hazard area was so less extensive...)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #231 on: 11/10/2017 01:47 PM »
If it's going to 63 degrees, I wonder if the launch window will line up with OTV-5's orbital plane (Assume they have recovered OTV-5).
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #232 on: 11/10/2017 02:49 PM »
We're still on the schedule for the Static Fire on Saturday, but apparently this document shows a reschedule for the launch date to the 16th:

http://www.patrick.af.mil/Portals/14/documents/Launch%20Hazard%20Area%20Maps/11-15-2017%20%20LHA.pdf?ver=2017-11-09-154517-137

We'll stay as we are until it's got a secondary confirmation via KSC schedules, etc.

The air space closure document posted above shows the 16th but the time appears to be UTC (if I'm reading that correctly), so the date seems correct.

Could it be that the the Launch Hazard Area Map they changed the time to local time but forgot to change the date?

Edit: I missed the RESCHEDULED in red before the date.
« Last Edit: 11/12/2017 03:23 AM by mn »

A 51 deg orbit lines up with this NOTAM area lift off +02h24m. All approximately that is.


F3592/17 NOTAMN
Q) YMMM/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/3014S13202E999
A) YMMM
B) 1711160300 C) 1711170637
D) 1711160300 TO 1711160637
1711170300 TO 1711170637
E) US ROCKET SPLASHDOWN AREA
FLW RECEIVED FROM GOVERNMENT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED SURFACE TO UNLIMITED FOR
ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY AND SPLASHDOWN OF LAUNCH VEHICLE FALCON 9 ZUMA
AND PARTICIPATING SUPPORT AIRCRAFT WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA:
FROM 3027S 6451E TO 3044S 6703E TO 3810S 8243E TO 4722S 10839 TO
5030S 12439E TO 5155S 12603E TO 5332S 12505E TO 5424S 11601E TO 5334S
10127E TO 4746S 8205E TO 3958S 6931E TO 3156S 6323E TO BEGINNING. PRI
RE ENTRY 1711160300 0637. BACKUP RE ENTRY 171117 0300 0637

F) SFC G) UNL

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #234 on: 11/13/2017 01:18 PM »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #235 on: 11/13/2017 06:30 PM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #236 on: 11/13/2017 07:11 PM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #237 on: 11/13/2017 08:08 PM »
Where does the name "Zuma" come from? Who named it?

If I remember correctly, the name “Zuma” is of South African heritage, which is why Elon Musk named the payload “Zuma”.

No. Zuma is the codename used by the government (unclear which agency) and the contractor (Northrop Grumman). Nothing to do with Elon Musk and SpaceX.

Perhaps the Code name was indeed selected with Musk's South African background in mind. These code names are not always randomly chosen. One of the 60ies secret SIGINT missions was named LONG JOHN after a very tall team member, who developed the payload and WILD BILL was also named after one of the team members. Perhaps we will know, when ZUMA gets declassified in 50 years.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Zuma : January 7/8, 2018, CCAFS : DISCUSSION
« Reply #238 on: 11/13/2017 08:13 PM »
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
160055Z TO 160337Z NOV, ALTERNATE
170055Z TO 170337Z NOV IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 28-38N 080-43W, 29-12N 080-06W,
30-04N 079-00W, 29-56N 078-52W,
28-41N 080-10W, 28-26N 080-21W,
28-22N 080-38W.
B. 30-04N 079-00W, 30-52N 078-17W,
31-32N 077-25W, 31-54N 076-49W,
31-49N 076-45W, 31-36N 076-57W,
30-44N 077-53W, 29-56N 078-52W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 170437Z NOV 17.//

Authority: EASTERN RANGE 072156Z NOV 17.

Date: 110428Z NOV 17
Cancel: 17043700 Nov 17

SOUTHERN INDIAN OCEAN.
DNC 03, DNC 04.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS SPACE DEBRIS
160300Z TO 160637Z NOV, ALTERNATE
170300Z TO 170637Z NOV IN AREA BOUND BY
30-27S 064-51E, 30-44S 067-03E,
38-10S 082-43E, 47-22S 108-39E,
50-30S 124-39E, 51-55S 126-03E,
53-32S 125-05E, 54-24S 116-01E,
53-34S 101-27E, 47-46S 082-05E,
39-58S 069-31E, 31-56S 063-23E.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 170737Z NOV 17.//

Authority: EASTERN RANGE 072155Z NOV 17.

Date: 110407Z NOV 17
Cancel: 17073700 Nov 17

Looks really close to 51.6 degrees. Is this going to have any close approaches to the ISS? It's odd that SpaceX has launched two USG classified birds to this inclination this year.

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Looks really close to 51.6 degrees. Is this going to have any close approaches to the ISS? It's odd that SpaceX has launched two USG classified birds to this inclination this year.

Also, the end of the launch window (which they could definitely be aiming, to keep the orbit somewhat unknown before launch) *almost* (Off by 15-20 minutes) lines up to launching into the plane of the ISS. So it's close. Almost exactly the same as NROL-76. And yes there will most lightly be close passes to station.
« Last Edit: 11/13/2017 09:02 PM by Flying Beaver »
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