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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1160 on: Today at 01:59 PM »
Ok, just wanted to go see it.  Hard to figure a vacation time.

***NEVER *** schedule a vacation around a SpaceX Test schedule.

This is correct, what you do is you schedule your vacation for a time that you feel is highly likely to be clear of the test/launch.  That way you ensure that it happens then.

Note:  This only works if you are critical personnel for the actual test/launch.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1161 on: Today at 02:01 PM »

What Chris G is saying above is exactly why SpaceX needs Boca Chica for Falcon 9/Heavy ops (although no one seems to know, or hasn't spoken up, how Range Safety will be handled when launching from Boca Chica).


Not true.  There will still be some shared resources or conflicts between the two.

Meaning that Boca Chica would somehow be part of the eastern range?

No, it just might use some resources.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1162 on: Today at 02:03 PM »
Off topic - but connected to this conversation.

What Chris G is saying above is exactly why SpaceX needs Boca Chica for Falcon 9/Heavy ops (although no one seems to know, or hasn't spoken up, how Range Safety will be handled when launching from Boca Chica).

With all this talk of how Range communications can only be set up for only one launch vehicle at a time - even if it's "just" a static fire, and other limited resource tie-ups - isn't it plainly clear that it would be completely impossible to meet the desired future SpaceX launch cadence with these external criteria and all of the east coast pads tied to these resources (as well as the requirements of other launch providers who demand these resources at an even higher level due to lack of AFTS). I don't even know if it'll be possible to hit their 2018 targets looking at how the flow currently works, that's without even factoring in planned range down times on both coasts...

No because the conflicts won't apply for when SpaceX is launching from the Eastern Range and Boca Chica.  The Commander of the 45th Space Wing, Gen. Monteith, talked about AFTS and range upgrades already enabling 2 SpaceX launches in the same day (using different pads).  So, the limits are really only for SpaceX vs. non-SpaceX operations on the range.  Until another launcher is starting to be as heavy a user as SpaceX it shouldn't be a big issue.  Hopefully, further investment in the range's launch support capabilities and expanded adoption of AFTS by other providers will decrease the potential for future conflicts.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1163 on: Today at 02:05 PM »
Off topic - but connected to this conversation.

What Chris G is saying above is exactly why SpaceX needs Boca Chica for Falcon 9/Heavy ops (although no one seems to know, or hasn't spoken up, how Range Safety will be handled when launching from Boca Chica).

With all this talk of how Range communications can only be set up for only one launch vehicle at a time - even if it's "just" a static fire, and other limited resource tie-ups - isn't it plainly clear that it would be completely impossible to meet the desired future SpaceX launch cadence with these external criteria and all of the east coast pads tied to these resources (as well as the requirements of other launch providers who demand these resources at an even higher level due to lack of AFTS). I don't even know if it'll be possible to hit their 2018 targets looking at how the flow currently works, that's without even factoring in planned range down times on both coasts...

No because the conflicts won't apply for when SpaceX is launching from the Eastern Range and Boca Chica.  The Commander of the 45th Space Wing, Gen. Monteith, talked about AFTS and range upgrades already enabling 2 SpaceX launches in the same day (using different pads).  So, the limits are really only for SpaceX vs. non-SpaceX operations on the range.  Until another launcher is starting to be as heavy a user as SpaceX it shouldn't be a big issue.  Hopefully, further investment in the range's launch support capabilities and expanded adoption of AFTS by other providers will decrease the potential for future conflicts.

Payloads use of resources can still cause conflicts

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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1164 on: Today at 03:16 PM »
Payloads use of resources can still cause conflicts
Wouldn't that only apply to government-type launches?  E.g. stuff using TDRS or whatever.

What shared resources would any two commercial comsats (the likely launch candidates for BC) use?

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Re: SpaceX FH : Falcon Heavy Demo : early 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #1165 on: Today at 03:38 PM »
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SpaceX comes out of FH development a much more mature and knowledgeable space launch company. The kind of lead they have been building up can only be acquired through the sweat and tears of actual rocket building. FH will take them ahead of other new actors for a long time to come.
... and if/when they launch a couple of tourists round the back of the Moon with the FH they'll learn even more.  With Crew Dragon to the ISS it'll be a bit like flying with your instructor (NASA) in the right-hand seat.  With FH + Dragon to the Moon, SpaceX will be flying solo.  It'll feel different, and they need that experience.

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« Reply #1166 on: Today at 05:17 PM »

... and if/when they launch a couple of tourists round the back of the Moon with the FH they'll learn even more.  With Crew Dragon to the ISS it'll be a bit like flying with your instructor (NASA) in the right-hand seat.  With FH + Dragon to the Moon, SpaceX will be flying solo.  It'll feel different, and they need that experience.

IMHO eventually they will get talked out of, or talk themselves out of, the moon shot with Dragon.  Huge risks, and as we've seen there are many parties in the wings waiting to jump on any SpaceX slip-up.  A couple of dead space tourists would mean open season.

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