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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #20 on: 11/23/2018 02:07 am »
Cross-post re: launch of the Rodnik blok #16 triple payload:
Looks like this launch (one of last 4 planned for Rokot) is now planned on November 30.
Thanks to Nicolas Pillet for passing this news from his Russian sources.

https://twitter.com/nicolas_pillet/status/1065712556575256578
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #21 on: 12/01/2018 06:46 pm »
So, the Rodnik triplet launch happened on November 30 UTC/MST, with a Briz-KM upper stage.

When and how did the Russians get the Ukrainian avionics?
...although flying on a Rockot is slim unless they fly a Stela from Baikonur due to the unavailability of Breeze-KM Ukrainian avionics for government missions and Russian replacement avionics will be expensive and result in no flights this year and likely next year. Breeze-M avionics can not fly on Breeze-KM because of differences.
Rockot is most likely as Strela has never flown from Plesetsk however I don't know when they acquired Briz-KM avionics from Ukraine.

Is it plausible that Russian replacement avionics were used?
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #22 on: 12/01/2018 06:58 pm »
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Is it plausible that Russian replacement avionics were used?

No, it is not.

However, if it was indeed a Russian replacement we will know it very soon.
Because if they made it once they can repeat it. And they have payloads ready and waiting for a long time.
Therefore, in such case we'll see more Rokot flight in the nearest future.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #23 on: 12/01/2018 09:57 pm »
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Is it plausible that Russian replacement avionics were used?

No, it is not.

However, if it was indeed a Russian replacement we will know it very soon.
Because if they made it once they can repeat it. And they have payloads ready and waiting for a long time.
Therefore, in such case we'll see more Rokot flight in the nearest future.
I'm being told 2 possilities: one that certain parts were cannibalize from a Briz-M with the rest being dev hardware. The other was the ROCKOT for Zenit transaction between Ukraine happened. Also there was some spare hardware (Not full set) leftover from the last launch.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #24 on: 12/03/2018 01:21 am »
NORAD is tracking an unidentified 5th object from this launch, which seems to be traveling more with the upper stage than the 3 main payloads. There are noises this is an inspector satellite. Does Briz-KM normally have a secondary payload accommodation capability?

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #25 on: 12/03/2018 01:53 am »
NORAD is tracking an unidentified 5th object from this launch, which seems to be traveling more with the upper stage than the 3 main payloads. There are noises this is an inspector satellite. Does Briz-KM normally have a secondary payload accommodation capability?

See the discussion on the Cosmos 2530-2532 thread.
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #26 on: 12/28/2018 04:05 pm »
Cross-post and edited; following discussions up-thread; possible remaining Rokot launches?
2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.Ί 13L – Rokot
2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot
2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot
https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.html
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #27 on: 12/28/2018 06:22 pm »
Cross-post and edited; following discussions up-thread; possible remaining Rokot launches?
2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.Ί 13L – Rokot
2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot
2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot
https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.html
Confirmed last 3 launches of Rokot v1 launches. All launches after that will be on Soyuz and Angara until Rokot v2 comes online then all 3 launchers will be competing against each other.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #28 on: 02/09/2019 04:20 pm »
Website has this ominous notice:

http://www.eurockot.com/

"At the time being the company's activities are on hold until further notice.

Eurockot is therefor not in a position to entertain launch service proposals or requests for employment or internships."


It seems Eurockot's website has been updated recently. The new notice states:

"The Eurockot activities are now under redefinition.

We will start accepting launch requests in the near future"

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #29 on: 02/09/2019 07:50 pm »
Website has this ominous notice:

http://www.eurockot.com/

"At the time being the company's activities are on hold until further notice.

Eurockot is therefor not in a position to entertain launch service proposals or requests for employment or internships."


It seems Eurockot's website has been updated recently. The new notice states:

"The Eurockot activities are now under redefinition.

We will start accepting launch requests in the near future"
Correct for all Russian Rockot-2/Briz-KM2 version.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #30 on: 05/30/2019 12:49 pm »
https://ria.ru/20190525/1554903849.html

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Named the cost of creating the rocket "Rokot-2" without Ukrainian components
 
MOSCOW, May 25 - RIA News. The creation of a Rokot-2 light-class launch vehicle with Russian components will require 3.4 billion rubles, until 2028 it will be possible to carry out more than 40 rocket launches, according to materials from the Khrunichev Center available to RIA Novosti.
Earlier it was reported that the Khrunichev Center (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) is developing the Rokot-2 rocket with the Russian control system. At present, the Ukrainian control system is used in the Rokot rocket.
In particular, the development of the Russian control system will require 690 million rubles, the creation of the Briz-KM-2 upper stage and the preparation of production for its production - 1.45 billion rubles, the modernization of the technical and launch complexes at the Plesetsk cosmodrome - 450 million rubles, and holding the first launch - 750 million rubles.
The materials state that until 2028 under the Rokot-2 program it can be used for space launches of more than four dozen RS-18B ballistic missiles removed from combat duty.
The Rokot space rocket uses the RS-18B accelerator intercontinental ballistic missile blocks (according to the NATO classification Stiletto) and the Breeze-KM upper stage. In total, 29 launches of Rokot missiles from the Plesetsk cosmodrome were made. In all stages of the Rokot missile and in the Breeze-KM block, toxic components of the fuel are used (fuel - asymmetric dimethyl hydrazine, oxidizer - nitrogen tetroxide). The missile control system was produced at the Ukrainian enterprise Khartron.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #31 on: 05/31/2019 12:09 pm »
Total is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money.

Control System: 690M Rubles = $10.6M
Briz-KM-2: 1.45B Rubles = $22.5M
Plesetsk: 450M Rubles = $6.9M
First Launch: 750M Rubles = $11.5M
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #32 on: 05/31/2019 12:32 pm »
Total is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money.

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For Khrunichev - it is a lot of money.
They have more than 100 B Roubles of debt (see the detailed debt schedule as of 8/30/2018).
So from own money they can't use a penny for the new R&D (They aren't Lannisters but they HAVE to pay their debts :)
The only way Rokot-2 can be developed is 100% federal funding. Which is unlikely IMHO.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #33 on: 05/31/2019 03:19 pm »
Total is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money.

...

For Khrunichev - it is a lot of money.
They have more than 100 B Roubles of debt (see the detailed debt schedule as of 8/30/2018).
So from own money they can't use a penny for the new R&D (They aren't Lannisters but they HAVE to pay their debts :)
The only way Rokot-2 can be developed is 100% federal funding. Which is unlikely IMHO.


Yes, but... If that comes through, than the Angara 1.2 is practically dead, if she stays so expensive.
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #34 on: 05/31/2019 06:43 pm »
Total is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money.

...

For Khrunichev - it is a lot of money.
They have more than 100 B Roubles of debt (see the detailed debt schedule as of 8/30/2018).
So from own money they can't use a penny for the new R&D (They aren't Lannisters but they HAVE to pay their debts :)
The only way Rokot-2 can be developed is 100% federal funding. Which is unlikely IMHO.


Yes, but... If that comes through, than the Angara 1.2 is practically dead, if she stays so expensive.
Different payload classes. Angara-A1.1 is shelved until assigned UR100 stockpile is depleted and not replenished by other UR100 versions.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #35 on: 05/31/2019 07:13 pm »
An Angara 1.2 was ordered to launch 3 Gonets satellites. Price about 2 billion rubles.
That's more than a Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat costs.
2 x Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat are intended for Gonets, before these Angara 1.2 is flying.
Until now the Rokot does this.
If the Rokot-2 can fly for half the price (or so) of the Angara 1.2, is that a strong argument.
Bigger or heavier can launch on Soyuz.

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #36 on: 06/01/2019 12:11 am »
An Angara 1.2 was ordered to launch 3 Gonets satellites. Price about 2 billion rubles.
That's more than a Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat costs.
2 x Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat are intended for Gonets, before these Angara 1.2 is flying.
Until now the Rokot does this.
If the Rokot-2 can fly for half the price (or so) of the Angara 1.2, is that a strong argument.
Bigger or heavier can launch on Soyuz.
They are flying with many secondary payloads on Soyuz-2-1b/fregat

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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #37 on: 06/28/2019 08:52 pm »
Cross-post/update re: two of the three remaining Rokot (version 1) launches:
https://ria.ru/20190627/1555953523.html
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“Now the launch of the three Gonеts-M satellites is scheduled for the fall,” the agency’s source said.
According to him, in August it is planned to send the Geo-IK-2 geodetic satellite with the Rockot rocket and only after that it will be possible to use a backup control system device to launch the Gonets-M.
Launch system used on Rockot-K and Strela or UR100 family??
Usual Rockot - UR-100N UTTH with Briz KM upperstage.

EDIT: Geo-IK-2 or Musson-2 #3 launch occurred on August 30 UTC; launch thread.
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #38 on: 09/09/2019 09:34 pm »
Cross-post re: Rokot after August 30, 2019 launch:
I don't think this launch [Rodnik blok 17] will be made with a "Rokot".

https://tass.ru/kosmos/6826716

".....Earlier on Friday, the Rokot rocket launched from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome launched a new military satellite into orbit. Major-General Nikolai Nestochuk, the head of the cosmodrome, said that this launch was the last use of the Rokot missile in connection with the plans of the Ministry of Defense to switch to modernized carriers of this type."

The 3 Gonets in November will be the last flight of the Rokot.

(Gonets is the civilian version of Rodnik, so it doesn't count as a launch for the Russian MoD.)

EDITed for clarity.  Sorry, PM3.
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Re: Rokot future
« Reply #39 on: 09/09/2019 11:19 pm »
 ???

According to that TASS quote, the Rockot/Briz-KM launch on 30 August was the last one. This would mean that the remaining Rockot flight with the 3x Gonets-M has been cancelled. Right?

The 3x Gonets could be switched to Soyuz-2.1v according to older information at http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2019.html.
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