If you look in William Graham's article about the Sentinel 5p launch, he says the following, "Early last year, Russia’s TASS news agency reported that the type would be used for two more Russian government launches, with Gonets-M communications satellites, but earlier this year TASS reported that the final launch would occur in late 2017 or early 2018 with ESA’s Sentinel 3B satellite. That launch is expected to occur in the next few months" (Graham).
...All the problems with the Sentinel-5P mission reportedly prompted European space officials to consider switching the follow-on Sentinel-3B spacecraft from Rockot to the much more expensive European Vega launcher, even if this would mean its own associated delays. The European Commission, which uses the Sentinel satellites, was expected to make a decision on the launcher for Sentinel-3B this month.
Quick question: if Rokot does get retired within the next several months, what will happen to the Briz-KM upper stages that were manifested for the Sentinel 3B and government missions?Will they be modified as Briz-M upper stages for Proton?Also, I'm wondering if the UR-100 first and second stages will be scrapped by then.
To update - as of right now this flight is sticking to Rokot with a launch date of NET December 18, 2017 (or early 2018) noted on NK forums.
The plan as to which launcher will launch ESA’s Sentinel 3B satellite is officially under review with a decision soon.Sources: European Commission and http://russianspaceweb.com/sentinel5p.htmlQuote...All the problems with the Sentinel-5P mission reportedly prompted European space officials to consider switching the follow-on Sentinel-3B spacecraft from Rockot to the much more expensive European Vega launcher, even if this would mean its own associated delays. The European Commission, which uses the Sentinel satellites, was expected to make a decision on the launcher for Sentinel-3B this month.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 10/13/2017 11:33 pmThe plan as to which launcher will launch ESA’s Sentinel 3B satellite is officially under review with a decision soon.Sources: European Commission and http://russianspaceweb.com/sentinel5p.htmlQuote...All the problems with the Sentinel-5P mission reportedly prompted European space officials to consider switching the follow-on Sentinel-3B spacecraft from Rockot to the much more expensive European Vega launcher, even if this would mean its own associated delays. The European Commission, which uses the Sentinel satellites, was expected to make a decision on the launcher for Sentinel-3B this month.Did the European Commission make a launcher decision in October for Sentinel-3B?***Are there any recent developments re: Rokot's future (if any)?
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 05/18/2018 08:42 pmQuote from: zubenelgenubi on 05/17/2018 11:13 pmWith the success of this [Sentinel-3B] launch, does Eurockot Launch Services dissolve?The three remaining Rokot launches are all Russian government payloads.Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 05/18/2018 05:54 amTheir web site is still going, but the manifest is empty.http://www.eurockot.com/missions/manifest/Eurockot also post government launches so i don't expect the site to retire until Rockot formally does.On a side note:I'm told that the Strela Launch vehicle is un-affected by the geo-political outcome. There is a consensus to also retire Strela but that has not officially happened yet. Strela can be deployed from the Rockot launch site if needed albeit with a performance hit.
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 05/17/2018 11:13 pmWith the success of this [Sentinel-3B] launch, does Eurockot Launch Services dissolve?The three remaining Rokot launches are all Russian government payloads.Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 05/18/2018 05:54 amTheir web site is still going, but the manifest is empty.http://www.eurockot.com/missions/manifest/Eurockot also post government launches so i don't expect the site to retire until Rockot formally does.
With the success of this [Sentinel-3B] launch, does Eurockot Launch Services dissolve?The three remaining Rokot launches are all Russian government payloads.
Their web site is still going, but the manifest is empty.http://www.eurockot.com/missions/manifest/
Apparently Rockot 2 is in development.Source (in German): https://de.sputniknews.com/amp/technik/20180821322039736-rockot-traegerrakete-russland/(in Russian): http://tass.ru/kosmos/5474459/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Quote from: starbase on 08/31/2018 09:33 pmApparently Rockot 2 is in development.Source (in German): https://de.sputniknews.com/amp/technik/20180821322039736-rockot-traegerrakete-russland/(in Russian): http://tass.ru/kosmos/5474459/amp?__twitter_impression=trueIt appears to be a Rokot-KM with the Ukrainian avionics replaced by Russian.
Quote from: Salo on 10/23/2018 09:39 pmQuote from: russianhalo117 on 10/23/2018 07:27 pmQuote from: Salo on 10/23/2018 01:52 pmLate 2018 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-16] – Rokot2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot2021 – Rokot-2 https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.htmlI don't see the 2019 flights happening on Rockot because of the Ukrainian stalemate with Russia.https://iz.ru/693686/dmitrii-strugovetc/v-stolitce-budet-izgotovleno-shest-raket-angara-a5https://www.interfax.ru/russia/626327Nevertheless, despite all these plans by Varochko and all these publications by interfax.ru - I suspect no more Rokot flights. Just like it happened with Dnepr.The publications are real.But the mentioned stalemate is real just as well.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 10/23/2018 07:27 pmQuote from: Salo on 10/23/2018 01:52 pmLate 2018 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-16] – Rokot2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot2021 – Rokot-2 https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.htmlI don't see the 2019 flights happening on Rockot because of the Ukrainian stalemate with Russia.https://iz.ru/693686/dmitrii-strugovetc/v-stolitce-budet-izgotovleno-shest-raket-angara-a5https://www.interfax.ru/russia/626327
Quote from: Salo on 10/23/2018 01:52 pmLate 2018 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-16] – Rokot2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot2021 – Rokot-2 https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.htmlI don't see the 2019 flights happening on Rockot because of the Ukrainian stalemate with Russia.
Late 2018 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-16] – Rokot2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokot2021 – Rokot-2 https://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.html
..So far there have been 30 launches of Rokot (and 3 of Strela) with another one planned. Even if we count the 2 pre dissolution launches, this is not 45. Is Rokot available for future commercial or civilian launches, or is it headed for retirement after the Geo-IK-2 No. 3 (Musson 2) mission. Say that it is available afterwards, is there a plan to buy more retired UR-100s from the Russian Strategic Forces for future Rockots? As far as I know the UR-100 family will eventually be replaced by the newer RS-24, meaning that more UR-100s should become available as a basis for future Rokots.
Quote from: Skyrocket on 08/31/2018 10:26 pmIt appears to be a Rokot-KM with the Ukrainian avionics replaced by Russian.This has been shot down by the Kremlin and Roscosmos several times now saying the conversional launcher will be retired despite announcements to the contrary from Khrunichev, however there are several Rockots in storage awaiting Ukrainian avionics or a russian replacement.
It appears to be a Rokot-KM with the Ukrainian avionics replaced by Russian.
Quote from: AegeanBlue on 10/13/2017 10:18 pm..So far there have been 30 launches of Rokot (and 3 of Strela) with another one planned. Even if we count the 2 pre dissolution launches, this is not 45. Is Rokot available for future commercial or civilian launches, or is it headed for retirement after the Geo-IK-2 No. 3 (Musson 2) mission. Say that it is available afterwards, is there a plan to buy more retired UR-100s from the Russian Strategic Forces for future Rockots? As far as I know the UR-100 family will eventually be replaced by the newer RS-24, meaning that more UR-100s should become available as a basis for future Rokots.With over 300 original UR-100s, 130 destroyed by Ukraine and 45 purchased for Rokot - I'd assume up to 100 available at later dates if there's demand. Similarly, there's abundant Dnepr/R-36 with double the capacity, but their maintenance and rebuild were performed in Ukraine.Quote from: russianhalo117 on 08/31/2018 10:51 pmQuote from: Skyrocket on 08/31/2018 10:26 pmIt appears to be a Rokot-KM with the Ukrainian avionics replaced by Russian.This has been shot down by the Kremlin and Roscosmos several times now saying the conversional launcher will be retired despite announcements to the contrary from Khrunichev, however there are several Rockots in storage awaiting Ukrainian avionics or a russian replacement.Report resurfaced a week ago, but with financials to justify the workforce and necessary Russian avionics.SputnikNews arcticle, cut to avoid link: ht tps://spu tniknews.com/sci ence/201810181068981965-russia-rocket-rokot-launch/-snips- "The launches of Rokot-2 may begin in 2021 if the decision to resume the project is made in 2018. ..The investment in the project was estimated at 4 billion rubles ..The positive money flow from the implementation of the project before 2025 is estimated at around 500 million rubles, while the annual income from the implementation of the project will increase from 2 billion rubles in the year when the first launches are held to 8.8 billion rubles by 2024-25 .."
Looks like this launch (one of last 4 planned for Rokot) is now planned on November 30.Thanks to Nicolas Pillet for passing this news from his Russian sources.https://twitter.com/nicolas_pillet/status/1065712556575256578
...although flying on a Rockot is slim unless they fly a Stela from Baikonur due to the unavailability of Breeze-KM Ukrainian avionics for government missions and Russian replacement avionics will be expensive and result in no flights this year and likely next year. Breeze-M avionics can not fly on Breeze-KM because of differences.
Rockot is most likely as Strela has never flown from Plesetsk however I don't know when they acquired Briz-KM avionics from Ukraine.
...Is it plausible that Russian replacement avionics were used?
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 12/01/2018 06:46 pm...Is it plausible that Russian replacement avionics were used?No, it is not.However, if it was indeed a Russian replacement we will know it very soon.Because if they made it once they can repeat it. And they have payloads ready and waiting for a long time.Therefore, in such case we'll see more Rokot flight in the nearest future.
NORAD is tracking an unidentified 5th object from this launch, which seems to be traveling more with the upper stage than the 3 main payloads. There are noises this is an inspector satellite. Does Briz-KM normally have a secondary payload accommodation capability?
2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokothttps://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.html
Cross-post and edited; following discussions up-thread; possible remaining Rokot launches?Quote from: Salo on 10/23/2018 01:52 pm2019 – Geo-IK-2 n.º 13L – Rokot2019 – three Gonets-M satellites (№24, 25, 26) [block-15], Blits-M – Rokot2019 – three 14F132 Rodnik satellites [block-17] – Rokothttps://ria.ru/space/20181023/1531289433.html
Website has this ominous notice:http://www.eurockot.com/"At the time being the company's activities are on hold until further notice.Eurockot is therefor not in a position to entertain launch service proposals or requests for employment or internships."
Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 11/04/2018 01:48 amWebsite has this ominous notice:http://www.eurockot.com/"At the time being the company's activities are on hold until further notice.Eurockot is therefor not in a position to entertain launch service proposals or requests for employment or internships."It seems Eurockot's website has been updated recently. The new notice states:"The Eurockot activities are now under redefinition.We will start accepting launch requests in the near future"
Named the cost of creating the rocket "Rokot-2" without Ukrainian components MOSCOW, May 25 - RIA News. The creation of a Rokot-2 light-class launch vehicle with Russian components will require 3.4 billion rubles, until 2028 it will be possible to carry out more than 40 rocket launches, according to materials from the Khrunichev Center available to RIA Novosti.Earlier it was reported that the Khrunichev Center (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) is developing the Rokot-2 rocket with the Russian control system. At present, the Ukrainian control system is used in the Rokot rocket.In particular, the development of the Russian control system will require 690 million rubles, the creation of the Briz-KM-2 upper stage and the preparation of production for its production - 1.45 billion rubles, the modernization of the technical and launch complexes at the Plesetsk cosmodrome - 450 million rubles, and holding the first launch - 750 million rubles.The materials state that until 2028 under the Rokot-2 program it can be used for space launches of more than four dozen RS-18B ballistic missiles removed from combat duty.The Rokot space rocket uses the RS-18B accelerator intercontinental ballistic missile blocks (according to the NATO classification Stiletto) and the Breeze-KM upper stage. In total, 29 launches of Rokot missiles from the Plesetsk cosmodrome were made. In all stages of the Rokot missile and in the Breeze-KM block, toxic components of the fuel are used (fuel - asymmetric dimethyl hydrazine, oxidizer - nitrogen tetroxide). The missile control system was produced at the Ukrainian enterprise Khartron.
Total is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money....
Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 05/31/2019 12:09 pmTotal is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money....For Khrunichev - it is a lot of money.They have more than 100 B Roubles of debt (see the detailed debt schedule as of 8/30/2018).So from own money they can't use a penny for the new R&D (They aren't Lannisters but they HAVE to pay their debts The only way Rokot-2 can be developed is 100% federal funding. Which is unlikely IMHO.
Quote from: smoliarm on 05/31/2019 12:32 pmQuote from: Steven Pietrobon on 05/31/2019 12:09 pmTotal is 3.4B Rubels or $52M, so its not a lot of money....For Khrunichev - it is a lot of money.They have more than 100 B Roubles of debt (see the detailed debt schedule as of 8/30/2018).So from own money they can't use a penny for the new R&D (They aren't Lannisters but they HAVE to pay their debts The only way Rokot-2 can be developed is 100% federal funding. Which is unlikely IMHO.Yes, but... If that comes through, than the Angara 1.2 is practically dead, if she stays so expensive.
An Angara 1.2 was ordered to launch 3 Gonets satellites. Price about 2 billion rubles.That's more than a Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat costs.2 x Soyuz 2.1b + Fregat are intended for Gonets, before these Angara 1.2 is flying. Until now the Rokot does this.If the Rokot-2 can fly for half the price (or so) of the Angara 1.2, is that a strong argument.Bigger or heavier can launch on Soyuz.
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 06/27/2019 07:21 amQuote from: Salo on 06/27/2019 04:21 amhttps://ria.ru/20190627/1555953523.htmlGoogle translate:Quote“Now the launch of the three Gonеts-M satellites is scheduled for the fall,” the agency’s source said.According to him, in August it is planned to send the Geo-IK-2 geodetic satellite with the Rockot rocket and only after that it will be possible to use a backup control system device to launch the Gonets-M.Launch system used on Rockot-K and Strela or UR100 family??Usual Rockot - UR-100N UTTH with Briz KM upperstage.
Quote from: Salo on 06/27/2019 04:21 amhttps://ria.ru/20190627/1555953523.htmlGoogle translate:Quote“Now the launch of the three Gonеts-M satellites is scheduled for the fall,” the agency’s source said.According to him, in August it is planned to send the Geo-IK-2 geodetic satellite with the Rockot rocket and only after that it will be possible to use a backup control system device to launch the Gonets-M.Launch system used on Rockot-K and Strela or UR100 family??
https://ria.ru/20190627/1555953523.htmlGoogle translate:Quote“Now the launch of the three Gonеts-M satellites is scheduled for the fall,” the agency’s source said.According to him, in August it is planned to send the Geo-IK-2 geodetic satellite with the Rockot rocket and only after that it will be possible to use a backup control system device to launch the Gonets-M.
“Now the launch of the three Gonеts-M satellites is scheduled for the fall,” the agency’s source said.According to him, in August it is planned to send the Geo-IK-2 geodetic satellite with the Rockot rocket and only after that it will be possible to use a backup control system device to launch the Gonets-M.
I don't think this launch [Rodnik blok 17] will be made with a "Rokot".https://tass.ru/kosmos/6826716".....Earlier on Friday, the Rokot rocket launched from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome launched a new military satellite into orbit. Major-General Nikolai Nestochuk, the head of the cosmodrome, said that this launch was the last use of the Rokot missile in connection with the plans of the Ministry of Defense to switch to modernized carriers of this type."The 3 Gonets in November will be the last flight of the Rokot.
According to that TASS quote, the Rockot/Briz-KM launch on 30 August was the last one. This would mean that the remaining Rockot flight with the 3x Gonets-M has been cancelled. Right?The 3x Gonets could be switched to Soyuz-2.1v according to older information at http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2019.html.
Quote from: PM3 on 09/09/2019 11:19 pm According to that TASS quote, the Rockot/Briz-KM launch on 30 August was the last one. This would mean that the remaining Rockot flight with the 3x Gonets-M has been cancelled. Right?The 3x Gonets could be switched to Soyuz-2.1v according to older information at http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2019.html.According to NK forums and the members that post on this site the last version 1 civil government flight is November. August 30th flight was the last MoD manifested launch.<snip>
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 09/10/2019 01:06 amQuote from: PM3 on 09/09/2019 11:19 pm According to that TASS quote, the Rockot/Briz-KM launch on 30 August was the last one. This would mean that the remaining Rockot flight with the 3x Gonets-M has been cancelled. Right?The 3x Gonets could be switched to Soyuz-2.1v according to older information at http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2019.html.According to NK forums and the members that post on this site the last version 1 civil government flight is November. August 30th flight was the last MoD manifested launch.<snip>So, the LV for the three Rodnik satellites of blok 17 is currently unknown?Does the one remaining Rokot v.1 vehicle become available for upgrading to v.2? Or does it become a museum artifact?
Last Rokot: https://tass.ru/kosmos/6951950Google translate:QuoteMOSCOW, October 2. / TASS /. Operation of the Rokot launch vehicles of the basic version may end on November 29 with the launch of three communication satellites of the Gonets system from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, Oleg Khimochko, the first deputy general director of the Gonets Satellite System JSC, told TASS.“The launch date is November 29, but the transfer may take place to December 20-29,” Khimochko said, adding that the decision whether to delay the launch or not will be made in the coming days.
MOSCOW, October 2. / TASS /. Operation of the Rokot launch vehicles of the basic version may end on November 29 with the launch of three communication satellites of the Gonets system from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, Oleg Khimochko, the first deputy general director of the Gonets Satellite System JSC, told TASS.“The launch date is November 29, but the transfer may take place to December 20-29,” Khimochko said, adding that the decision whether to delay the launch or not will be made in the coming days.
Apparently the final version 1 Rokot launch is November 29, with a Gonets-M triplet payload. Cross-post:Quote from: Salo on 10/02/2019 09:48 amLast Rokot: https://tass.ru/kosmos/6951950Google translate:QuoteMOSCOW, October 2. / TASS /. Operation of the Rokot launch vehicles of the basic version may end on November 29 with the launch of three communication satellites of the Gonets system from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, Oleg Khimochko, the first deputy general director of the Gonets Satellite System JSC, told TASS.“The launch date is November 29, but the transfer may take place to December 20-29,” Khimochko said, adding that the decision whether to delay the launch or not will be made in the coming days.
Production of the first Rokot-M rocket started in RussiaMOSCOW, 10 April. /TASS/. Center them. M.V. Khrunicheva (part of Roskosmos) has begun manufacturing some elements of the first Rokot-M flight launch vehicle with a domestic control system instead of the Ukrainian one. This was announced in an interview with TASS by the general director of the enterprise Alexei Varochko."As part of the Rokot-M project, a contract was made with our cooperation on component parts, bench products are being manufactured, as well as a number of elements of the first flight rocket with long production times," Varochko said.In August 2018, in the materials of the Center. M. V. Khrunichev, presented at the Army-2018 forum, it was reported that the company is working on the creation of the Rokot-2 launch vehicle with a new control system that will replace the Ukrainian one installed on the Rokot missiles. Initially, the launch was planned for 2022.In May last year, the Director General of the Center. M. V. Khrunicheva said in an interview with TASS that after a detailed audit of the equipment for the Rokot, experts came to the conclusion that it was also necessary to put in order the equipment that had been in operation for a long time and had already exhausted its resource. Therefore, now the first launch of the Rokot-M launch vehicle from the Plesetsk cosmodrome is planned for 2024.