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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #20 on: 08/02/2017 11:35 pm »
Where does the servicemodule end up?

Vaporised? Apollo 13 Service Module (SM) and Lunar Module (LM) as they entered Earth's atmosphere over the Pacific Ocean on April 18, 1970 between the Fiji Islands and Auckland, New Zealand
That doesn't answer my question. Where would Starliner's service module end up (vaporized or otherwise) if it were landing in the desert?
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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #21 on: 08/03/2017 12:20 am »
Where does the servicemodule end up?

Vaporised? Apollo 13 Service Module (SM) and Lunar Module (LM) as they entered Earth's atmosphere over the Pacific Ocean on April 18, 1970 between the Fiji Islands and Auckland, New Zealand

Fun fact for today: The RTG from the LM is sitting at the bottom of the Tonga Trench.  Thankfully, not leaking.

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #22 on: 08/03/2017 12:21 am »
I know a big freshwater lake in a remote area that would work, Lake Baikal!!!

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #23 on: 08/03/2017 04:20 am »
Lake Okeechobee in southern Florida - 30 miles across (largest fresh-water lake in the US that's not one of the Great Lakes) and the trunk should land (in pieces) in the Gulf. Just have to figure out how to keep the fishing boats out on landing days...

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #24 on: 08/03/2017 02:53 pm »
If you've ever been there, you'd know that wouldn't work. Average depth is only about 10 feet, lots of gators, lots of mud, etc.

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #25 on: 08/05/2017 12:35 am »
That doesn't answer my question. Where would Starliner's service module end up (vaporized or otherwise) if it were landing in the desert?

I'm not sure of the exact inclination of the re-entry trajectory, but if the Apollo 13 RTG is in the Tonga Trench, then it landed about 1,000kms short of the command module Odyssey. If the fins on the Dragon2 trunk are sufficient to keep it prograde before it vaporises and / or disintegrates, the distance on a lunar return could be even greater, my sim estimates as much as 2,000 kms. If the trunk tumbles, the landing ellipse could be enormous.

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #26 on: 08/05/2017 01:08 am »
Fins will have no effect since the service module is uncontrolled

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Re: Fresh water Splash down in the Great Lakes?
« Reply #27 on: 08/05/2017 01:21 am »
Fins will have no effect since the service module is uncontrolled

It would also depend on the position and mass of any objects in the Dragon2 trunk. The combination of sufficient mass forward in the trunk with the control afforded by the fins could potentially make the trunk inherently stable (at least until destroyed by extreme heat).

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