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SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hispasat 30W-6 (1F) : H1-2018
« on: 07/24/2017 01:58 AM »
DISCUSSION thread for Hispasat 30W-6 (Hispasat 1F) mission.

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First half of 2018 on Falcon 9 from (SLC-40?) at Cape Canaveral.  Payload mass is about 6mT, so it will probably be an expendable flight.

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Hispasat Press Release July 1, 2014:
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Spanish satellite telecommunications operator HISPASAT has chosen Space Systems/Loral (SSL) to produce the Hispasat 1F, to be located at orbital position 30º West. The Hispasat 1F will serve as a replacement for the Hispasat 1D and will give the Group additional Ku band capacity, in the Andean region and in Brazil. Likewise, the Hispasat 1F will expand the Group’s transatlantic capacity in Europe-America and America-Europe connectivity. Ka band capacity with European coverage will furthermore be incorporated, in order to enable HISPASAT to continue expanding its broadband service offer in the region.

The Hispasat 1F is expected to have a useful life of 15 years. The satellite will be built on the SSL 1300 satellite platform, with 11.5 kW power and a multi-mission payload distributed across:

    48 Ku band transponders, which serve three coverage areas:

 - Europe and North Africa, with coverage on the Iberian Peninsula, the Balearic Islands, the Canary Islands,  the Azores, Cape Verde and Madeira; Mauritius, Morocco, Mediterranean countries in North West Africa and  the large part of the European continent visible from 30º West.

 - The Americas, with coverage from Canada to Patagonia, not including Brazil.

 - South America, with coverage over the large part of the continent, especially in Brazil.

     6 Ka band beams, with coverage on the Iberian Peninsula, the Balearic and Canary Islands, North West Africa and South East and Central Europe.
    1 Ka BSS band beam, with coverage centred in the Iberian Peninsula.
    1 C band beam, with coverage centred in Brazil.

In the words of their managing director, Carlos Espinós, “HISPASAT is once again placing its trust in SSL, given the high-quality and reliability of their products. SSL has provided us with a compelling opportunity to team together. We are sure their 1300 platform is best suited for delivering the high service performance our company designed the Hispasat 1F to deliver. Furthermore, we are pleased to note that as a leader in geostationary satellite manufacturing, SSL benefits from Spanish built components on nearly all of its satellites”.

Indeed, John Celli, president of SSL, confirmed that “Hispasat 1F is the third satellite that SSL will build for HISPASAT and we are pleased to welcome our colleagues back to our facility. Our companies share a focus on quality, reliability and value and we look forward to teaming together again to build an outstanding satellite”.

The 1300 platform makes it possible to house a wide range of payloads for commercial communications satellites and its wide in-orbit experience serves to testify the high reliability it provides. In fact, the Hispasat 1F will be the Group’s third satellite to be built based on this experience. Furthermore, SSL’s expertise in manufacturing such large, complex satellites guarantees the Hispasat 1F will be delivered in line with HISPASAT requirements.
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Launch mass in FCC filing is 6092kg.  (I saw that number on the Satbeams site and looked around for a source.)
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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

No way this goes on FH unless they delay it a year.  Most likely expendable.
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the launch will be on q1 2018 ?

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the launch will be on q1 2018 ?

Do you have a source for that?  (It wouldn't surprise me at all, but I haven't seen it reported.)

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Launch mass in is 6092kg.

So F9 expendable? or is this a candidate mission for a switch to FH (assuming demo and first confirmed payload flights go well)

That, or Block 5 does impressive things and manages this much while recovering the booster.

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SpaceX sets Oct. 7 & 9 launch dates for next two Falcon 9 flights from East and West Coasts. Koreasat 5A in late Oct. confirmed from pad 39A

With KoreaSat 5A confirmed as launching from LC-39A, it appears the "return to launch" for SLC-40 will be Hispasat 30W-6, in late November or early December.

(Unless the next Dragon flight takes precedence.)

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EDIT 2: Apparently, the next Dragon flight, SpX-13, takes precedence after all.
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Wow! She's a giant! Is that pretty much the top of the size range for commercial comsats?
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Wow! She's a giant! Is that pretty much the top of the size range for commercial comsats?

Heaviest are slightly under 7 T, so not really at the top, but pretty heavyweight. For immediate reference, see for example AsiaSat-9, who is being launched by a Proton on Sept 28th, at 6140 kg.
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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.

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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.

Well, an already booked customer could opt to switch to a flight-proven Block 3 or 4 for a cheaper (than new Block 5) ride that results in an expendable launch.  So I wouldn't venture "last expendable" just quite yet.

Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
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Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
At over 6 tonnes? Quite unlikely.

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Is it possible for this to attempt a landing, since B4 is more powerful than B3?
At over 6 tonnes? Quite unlikely.

They have already tested super hot landings, some times crashing, but even when not, the stage is in bad shape. No need to test more, and better to keep their streak of successful landings going.

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So with both block 5 and FH hopefully being operational in the next few months, this is likely to be the last expendable Falcon launch? If true I think that's a significant milestone.
Well, there's always the possibility of ASDS downtime. Ship inspections, unplanned hydraulic fires, heavy seas, storm damage...

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Well, an already booked customer could opt to switch to a flight-proven Block 3 or 4 for a cheaper (than new Block 5) ride that results in an expendable launch.  So I wouldn't venture "last expendable" just quite yet.

Indeed. This seems like a good candidate for a block 3/4 expendable re-use. I'm still a bit surprised we haven't seen such an arrangement take place yet, given block 3s apparently aren't being reused more than once.
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Indeed. This seems like a good candidate for a block 3/4 expendable re-use. I'm still a bit surprised we haven't seen such an arrangement take place yet, given block 3s apparently aren't being reused more than once.

I too am surprised they're not using flights like this to dispose of cores in their inventory.  They could have rehabbed core 1032 by now instead of building new, and wouldn't have to re-install the fins/legs.  I'm sure they have their reasons, still surprising.
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Indeed. This seems like a good candidate for a block 3/4 expendable re-use. I'm still a bit surprised we haven't seen such an arrangement take place yet, given block 3s apparently aren't being reused more than once.

I too am surprised they're not using flights like this to dispose of cores in their inventory.  They could have rehabbed core 1032 by now instead of building new, and wouldn't have to re-install the fins/legs.  I'm sure they have their reasons, still surprising.

Sure. But the customer has to agree. Hispasat must not be sold on re-use yet.

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Several customers have indicated that the primary driver for flying a previously flown booster is schedule (at least, it is right now).  Hispasat has a new booster slotted for them, so it wouldn't buy them much to switch at this point.
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Has the payload left SSL in Palo Alto and been delivered to SpaceX operations at Cape Canaveral for pre-launch processing?  (I know our NSF contributors are usually very quick to report such things, if they are free to do so.)

It takes a finite amount of time to process the payloads for launch.  What is the average processing time for a geo-comm payload, from delivery to stacking on the launch vehicle?

If that process has not yet started, then perhaps the launch must be delayed into early 2018?

(The focus here on NSF is on the LV, particularly so for Falcon 9--1st stage watches, etc.)
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In the Zuma static fire article that Chris G. wrote today he lists the expected flights for the rest of the year, and Hispasat isn't on there.  It seems likely to slip into 2018.

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In a June FCC filing Hispasat said "launch and place in operation scheduled for May 2018".  There is typically some gap between launch and placing in operation, so that's a bit vague.  Then in an August press release for another mission the manufacturer said it would be launching later this year.  As noted in the Zuma static fire article, it doesn't seem to actually be on the manifest for 2017.  I'm going with first half of 2018 for now, and will refine the estimated date if we get any more news on the mission.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hispasat 30W-6 (1F) : H1-2018
« Reply #23 on: 12/07/2017 01:30 PM »
Any idea what happened to push this mission to 2018? I saw Chris's article, just seemed rather sudden that it dropped from the manifest entirely without any announcement/update from Hispasat.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hispasat 30W-6 (1F) : H1-2018
« Reply #24 on: 12/07/2017 03:00 PM »
Any idea what happened to push this mission to 2018? I saw Chris's article, just seemed rather sudden that it dropped from the manifest entirely without any announcement/update from Hispasat.

The reason it was hanging around the 2017 manifest its that there hasn't been an update and their looked to be a launch slot out of LC-40 at the end of December. Every other mission that would have taken this spot had a new date in 2018. Zuma has now taken this spot which has slipped a week or so due to the delays in getting LC-40 ready for CRS-13.

The question is where this launch is in the manifest order. It seems clear it is at least after Govsat-1/SES-16, which would make this NET February. It could easily be NET April after SES-12, Bangbandhu, CRS-14, and TESS.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hispasat 30W-6 (1F) : H1-2018
« Reply #25 on: 12/07/2017 03:11 PM »
The reason it was hanging around the 2017 manifest its that there hasn't been an update and their looked to be a launch slot out of LC-40 at the end of December.

That's not really true.  A lot of people seemed to think this payload was near the front of the line.  It's not like Es'hail-2 where there has been no info at all.  It will be interesting to see when this payload actually flies.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : Hispasat 30W-6 (1F) : H1-2018
« Reply #26 on: 12/08/2017 11:07 PM »
Looking at the other Hispasat satellite launch threads, particularly those manufactured by SSL, the satellite's delivery to the launch site (or from the factory) is noted with a press release.

No one has posted news of this satellite's delivery to the Cape or to the SpaceX processing facilities.

That seems to be the next news that will allow a rough estimate forward to a launch date.

This >could< be a delay due to the manufacturer, rather than the launcher?
« Last Edit: 12/08/2017 11:09 PM by zubenelgenubi »
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