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It's worth pointing out that NASA took a pretty big risk with the COTS contracts by awarding SpaceX and RocketPlane Kistler. Kistler failed, actually, and that's how we got Orbital/Cygnus. But without COTS, we almost certainly wouldn't have SpaceX today. Commercial contracting methods aren't just trying to save money on a contract but also trying to expand the marketplace of providers beyond just the usual players.

Yes, but those COTS contracts were done under Space Act Agreements, which have much looser constraints than FAR, which apparently was used for CLPS.
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Quote from: Firefly Aerospace
Today we performed a test of the Alpha flight first stage. The four Reaver engines performed 35 seconds of thrust vector control maneuvers, challenging the flame deflectors to constrain all that Reaver power! Today's test was a major step in Firefly's march to first flight.

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1307535961841111040
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Edit: you already posted the original link so here it is in video form.


« Last Edit: 09/20/2020 06:13 am by novak »
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The sound of the turbopumps starting up in this video reminds me of the Titan, and makes me irrationally happy.
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.
I assumed this was stage test that F9 and Electron do before shipping to launching pad.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.
I assumed this was stage test that F9 and Electron do before shipping to launching pad.

Yeah, and I'm sure that before the first Falcon 1 launch they did the same thing.  Yet the first stage failed in its actual flight test.

The word "operational" means that all testing is complete and has proven that something is ready for regular usage in normal operations.  A static fire is insufficient to declare something that has never flown operational.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.
I assumed this was stage test that F9 and Electron do before shipping to launching pad.
A test in their green run test series ahead of shipping for first flight.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.
I assumed this was stage test that F9 and Electron do before shipping to launching pad.

Yeah, and I'm sure that before the first Falcon 1 launch they did the same thing.  Yet the first stage failed in its actual flight test.

The word "operational" means that all testing is complete and has proven that something is ready for regular usage in normal operations.  A static fire is insufficient to declare something that has never flown operational.
Ok, Flight ready then.

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Operational 1st stage is good start.

A static fire is a good start, but it is insufficient to prove an operational first stage.
I assumed this was stage test that F9 and Electron do before shipping to launching pad.

Yeah, and I'm sure that before the first Falcon 1 launch they did the same thing.  Yet the first stage failed in its actual flight test.

The word "operational" means that all testing is complete and has proven that something is ready for regular usage in normal operations.  A static fire is insufficient to declare something that has never flown operational.
Ok, Flight ready then.

Yeah, probably flight ready.  But even that we don't know for sure.  They can do a full-duration static fire even if they haven't finished the control system.


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New in depth article by Ashlee Vance. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-09-22/firefly-aerospace-and-max-polyakov-want-to-build-smaller-rockets-than-spacex?sref=gwQfC0Ev

Does that mean they retrofitted an existing turbopump to fit their needs? OR was the turbopump developed really quickly? Interesting tidbit from Markusic saying he can't figure out how they did it (I assume it's really efficient pumps?) Could it be a derivative of an existing turbopump?

The combustion chamber seems to be American design given its "Cross fire" injector. Sounds to me like a deconstructed pintle injector. The fuel injector is akin to film cooling orifices in traditional engines, but the full fuel flow goes through said orifices.


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https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1308458276896624640

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Some additional footage of last weekend's Alpha Flight 1 Stage 1 acceptance testing. Check out the engines gimballing for the thrust vector control maneuvers. Volume up! #Firefly #MakingSpaceForEveryone

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twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1313871973580238851

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The final structural component of the Alpha first flight vehicle has completed acceptance testing! The Payload Attach Fitting (PAF) is a conical composite structure which supports the payload stack on top of the rocket. This structure was tested yesterday by applying

https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1313871977564774403

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flight-like loads (plus a 25% safety factor) utilizing the TS-4 structural test stand at the Firefly Briggs Site. #Firefly #MakingSpaceForEveryone

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https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1314725412069666817

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Firefly Aerospace today conducted the final shake down test firing of its Alpha rocket first stage, which will now ship to Vandenberg Air Force Base in California – for another static fire and then first launch:

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The Firefly Alpha Flight 1 Stage 1 passed its Final Acceptance Test yesterday! After a final inspection, it will be transported to Vandenberg Air Force Base in preparation for launch. Great work by the over 300+ Firefly team to achieve this important milestone! #Firefly #MakingSpaceForEveryone

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Alpha uses LOX/RP-1, but I'm not seeing any frost on the rocket, unlike Electron.
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Alpha uses LOX/RP-1, but I'm not seeing any frost on the rocket, unlike Electron.
Well you can see the LOX tank from the condensation making that tank slightly darker compared the RP-1 tank,

On a side note:
I've seen a paper a while back I think on researchgate which was about a CFRP tank wrapped in a printed honeycomb cylinder with facesheets. Honeycomb can be impregnated with an insulating gel or foam.

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I've enhanced the image to highlight the water condensation.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

 

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