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Offline Patchouli

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No reason to believe it can't be done in 3 years. Delta IV first flew in 2002, Delta IV Heavy first flew in 2004, just 2 years later.

SpaceX may have underestimated the difficulty of getting Falcon Heavy flying once Falcon 9 was proven, but part of the reason for the delay is they improved Falcon 9 SO much that Falcon Heavy really wasn't necessary for the vast majority of the flights any more. Falcon 9 now (22800kg to LEO, 8300kg to GTO) has *almost* as much performance (to LEO and GTO) as the original Falcon 9 Heavy concept (24750kg LEO, 9650kg GTO): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falcon_9&oldid=133599282 .

Another reason F9 went though four major design changes before FH flew while the Delta IV the initial design was always intended to use parallel staging.

F9 V1.1 was almost a completely different rocket than V1.0.
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https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1111713089307754497

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Alpha first stage propulsion development is progressing with the first hotfire tests of the integrated turbopump-fed Reaver engine.  This video shows short duration tests of one Reaver engine mounted in the four engine Alpha stage 1 thrust structure.

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https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1111713089307754497

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Alpha first stage propulsion development is progressing with the first hotfire tests of the integrated turbopump-fed Reaver engine.  This video shows short duration tests of one Reaver engine mounted in the four engine Alpha stage 1 thrust structure.

Good to see this progress.

Do we know if this Reaver test was ignited with TEA/TEB, or is the greenish flame at ignition an indicator of copper erosion in the combustion chamber, similar to Raptor?

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Good to see this progress.

Do we know if this Reaver test was ignited with TEA/TEB, or is the greenish flame at ignition an indicator of copper erosion in the combustion chamber, similar to Raptor?

https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1111728019654262790

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Yes, the green is the TEA-TEB used for ignition.

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Some if these guys came from falcon, so maybe they know what it takes to get her flying. I wish them well, hope they can compete.
My impression is that much of the propulsion is coming from the Ukrainian side of the company, while the U.S. side works on the composite structures, etc..  That's just an impression. 

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Bottom of this article says Firefly Alpha launch in 2021... is that accurate? Seems like they’d have announced something, doesn’t make much sense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.floridatoday.com/amp/3434485002

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Bottom of this article says Firefly Alpha launch in 2021... is that accurate? Seems like they’d have announced something, doesn’t make much sense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.floridatoday.com/amp/3434485002

No.  From the CEO and posted to twitter on April 3:

http://www.satmagazine.com/story.php?number=520825857

Contains such snippets as:
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Firefly’s Alpha is the largest U.S. smallsat launch vehicle that is expected to be in service by the close of 2019

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Firefly has demonstrated schedule credibility by consistently hitting major development milestones.

Commencing stage qualification testing was one of Firefly’s primary goals for 2018 and was successfully achieved, demonstrating flight-configuration propulsion, structures and tankage, pressurization and propellant management systems, and avionics.

If I could get a nickel for every time Firefly Aerospace is referenced to use methane or an aerospike nozzle I'd have have almost enough to build a rocket that did.  Sometimes people make typos or make a mistake in research, I guess this is one of those.
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Bottom of this article says Firefly Alpha launch in 2021... is that accurate? Seems like they’d have announced something, doesn’t make much sense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.floridatoday.com/amp/3434485002

That is specific to Florida launches.  Is Firefly's first launch from Florida or somewhere else?
edit: one of the linked articles said first flight is from Vandenberg
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That is specific to Florida launches.  Is Firefly's first launch from Florida or somewhere else?
edit: one of the linked articles said first flight is from Vandenberg

That could be, Vandenberg is the first launch site.
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That is specific to Florida launches.  Is Firefly's first launch from Florida or somewhere else?
edit: one of the linked articles said first flight is from Vandenberg

That could be, Vandenberg is the first launch site.

Any update on when?

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That could be, Vandenberg is the first launch site.

Any update on when?

Still planned for December 2019 at SLC-2W Vandenberg.  I think we've all seen enough launch schedules from launcher startups to know how aggressive that is. 

I personally do not know when the first SLC-20 Kennedy launch is planned for, this article corroborates the 2021 date:

https://wereportspace.com/2019/02/22/firefly-aerospace-launches-partnership-to-build-launch-rockets-on-the-space-coast/

Firefly is planning on putting its large scale production facility nearby as well. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2019/04/01/space-florida-oks-2-secret-projects-18-acre-land.html

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They posted video of the test, although the video is not of the entire thing.  But you can see some kind of tarp/curtain on the stand get destroyed about 13 seconds in.  Other than that, looks about like a LOx/RP-1 rocket stage.

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1122242943673405442

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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1126120132730871808
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Les Kovacs, Firefly: get keys to launch site at Vandenberg in June/July. First launch planned for December on a “success-oriented” schedule; likely to slip to 2020. Business case closes on 4 launches/yr. #SATShow

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https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1067433130460467202

This "orbit transfer vehicle" = Firefly Kickstage is now also shown with a 5-year satellite bus option like Rocket Lab's Photon: https://firefly.com/launch-otv/

But so far only renderings, no specs and not mentiond in the Payload User's Guide.
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I don't know if anyone has put this milestone schedule in here yet. Looks like the next thing we should see from Firefly is a HIF.
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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That schedule on the Firefly website is very optimistic, see gongora's last post above. They started testing the (standalone) first stage engine in March 2019, and will not start preparing the launch pad before June/July.

IMHO the first Alpha launch is NET Q3 2020. And they will need additional funding until then. Should find some launch customers to support that.
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I don't know if anyone has put this milestone schedule in here yet. Looks like the next thing we should see from Firefly is a HIF.
They already have horizontal processing facilities from ULA. Only have to ITL and mate the stack at the pad(s) (one for Alpha and one for Beta).

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Published on 13 May 2019
Firefly has achieved a major milestone toward flight qualification of the Alpha second stage, supporting Firefly’s goal of Alpha first launch in 2019. A 300 second hotfire test of the complete upper stage was accomplished on the company’s vertical stage test stand. The length of the test successfully demonstrates the capability of the integrated system (flight avionics, structures, and propulsion systems) to operate for the duration of a flight mission (i.e., a mission duty cycle). The stage was heavily instrumented to provide valuable data for mechanical vibration environments which will be experienced by components (e.g., avionics, fluid system components) during flight. Preliminary analysis of data indicate that environments are consistent with analytical models and below qualification thresholds of sensitive components. All systems performed nominally during the test, and post-test inspection revealed no observable degradation of the stage systems.

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I don't know if anyone has put this milestone schedule in here yet. Looks like the next thing we should see from Firefly is a HIF.
They already have horizontal processing facilities from ULA. Only have to ITL and mate the stack at the pad(s) (one for Alpha and one for Beta).

Are they planning to modify the Delta II heritage umbilical and mobile service towers, or build new ones from scratch?  Or are they planning to use a transporter-erector-launcher like Rocket Lab and SpaceX?

 

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