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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1140 on: 06/24/2024 05:23 pm »
I sort of expected this news for the MARS Pad 0A to be used by Firefly Alpha, Firefly MLV and NGIS Antares 330.
I've two questions.
How many launches are allowed to be performed from Wallops?
With use growing significantly because there are multiple uses, Firefly with Alpha and MLV, Rocketlab with Electron/ Haste and Neutron, and NGIS with Antares 330 and the Minotaur I/IV/V. A lot more launches are going to take place in a couple of years. Considering the situation at Vandenberg Airforce base, where environmental groups are fighting against higher launch rates. Could a similar situation take place at Wallops/MARS?

The second question is if Firefly can also make Cape SLC-20 and VAFB LC-2W suitable for both Alpha and MLV?


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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1141 on: 06/24/2024 05:38 pm »
I sort of expected this news for the MARS Pad 0A to be used by Firefly Alpha, Firefly MLV and NGIS Antares 330.
I've two questions.
How many launches are allowed to be performed from Wallops?
With use growing significantly because there are multiple uses, Firefly with Alpha and MLV, Rocketlab with Electron/ Haste and Neutron, and NGIS with Antares 330 and the Minotaur I/IV/V. A lot more launches are going to take place in a couple of years. Considering the situation at Vandenberg Airforce base, where environmental groups are fighting against higher launch rates. Could a similar situation take place at Wallops/MARS?

The second question is if Firefly can also make Cape SLC-20 and VAFB LC-2W suitable for both Alpha and MLV?


Yes for SLC-20 However SLC-2W  may require flame trench mods and flame deflector replacement because they are designed for only the Thor/Delta 2 meter core/booster stage diameter unlike SLC-17/18 whose flame buckets and pad could handle an Atlas sized vehicle. SLC-2W had an above deck ablative paint coated deflector ring for the GEM-40 SRM's.

Jim and others would have the definitive knowledge and answers regarding converting SLC-2W.
« Last Edit: 06/24/2024 05:41 pm by russianhalo117 »

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1142 on: 06/24/2024 06:33 pm »
What advantage does wallops provide given Alpha already can launch from Cape and vandenburg?
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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1143 on: 06/24/2024 07:10 pm »
What advantage does wallops provide given Alpha already can launch from Cape and vandenburg?

Probably that right now nobody else flies out of Wallops except for Rocket Lab. Alpha wouldn't then be fighting with the Cape and Vandy for launch opportunities.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1144 on: 06/24/2024 07:36 pm »
AFAIK all firefly alpha launches have taken place from LC-2W (Vandenberg).
Is SLC-20 already operational, or does Firefly still require to do a lot of construction work?
For MARS Pad 0A they only require to design and construct a transporter, erector and launch frame for Alpha.
They require to do the same for MLV (and Antares 330), and possibly they are required to modify some pad infrastructure to accommodate the two (or three) new transporter erector launchers.
Possibly Firefly delayed SLC-20 construction, so safe funding and focus on MARS Pad 0A. NGIS really needs Antares 330 for Cygnus ISS cargo resupply.
The MARS launches can launch to nearly the same inclinations as launches from SLC-20 Cape Canaveral.

Thans RussianHelo for the information about LC-2W. I also looked at foto's from LC-2W with Delta 2 and came to the same conclusion about the above ground deflectors for the solids.
Possibly construction of a new launch pad at LC-2E or LC-1 is less complicated than modifying the LC-2W pad.
I think Firefly will require at least the MARS pad 0A and LC-2 pads for Alpha and MLV, so than can launch to both low and high inclinations. 

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1145 on: 06/24/2024 11:26 pm »
This recent announcement reminded me of the presentation from early May about the future cadence from Wallops Flight Facility, which included a category labeled "other LEO ELV." That category didn't show launches beginning until 2028, but I wonder nonetheless if it could be referring to this then-unannounced plan to fly Firefly Alpha from Wallops. Because if not, then where is Firefly Alpha on this chart?

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1146 on: 06/24/2024 11:32 pm »
I think Firefly will require at least the MARS pad 0A and LC-2 pads for Alpha and MLV, so than can launch to both low and high inclinations.

Rocket Lab hasn't announced plans for a West Coast launch site to give them direct polar orbit access for Neutron. Whether that's because they don't anticipate any polar customers, or because they believe they can dogleg it, I don't know. I guess they could also hope to pick up Phantom Space's lease on VSFB SLC-5 when that company goes under.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1147 on: 06/27/2024 02:46 pm »
Firefly Aerospace has announced plans to launch Firefly Alpha from Esrange in Sweden. Notably, they say they'll launch from LC-3C, which according to Esrange's user handbook is part of the "Phase 2" build-out of the site's orbital launch capabilities (LC-3A and LC-3B being Phase 1). So that gives some sense of how far away Esrange is from hosting Firefly Alpha.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1148 on: 06/27/2024 03:55 pm »
Firefly Aerospace has announced plans to launch Firefly Alpha from Esrange in Sweden. Notably, they say they'll launch from LC-3C, which according to Esrange's user handbook is part of the "Phase 2" build-out of the site's orbital launch capabilities (LC-3A and LC-3B being Phase 1). So that gives some sense of how far away Esrange is from hosting Firefly Alpha.

Where is the dislike button.
Orbital launch from a land locked launch site. Does Firefly want to operate like China's Long march 2?
Nice Sweden, SSC way to stick a knife in the back of European launcher startups.  >:( :-X
I expect Norway will block these launches.

AFAIK the LC-3C pad , still has to be fully constructed. LC-3 pad A and B are ready. They are flat pads. LC-3C is planned to have an below ground level submurged flame duct.
« Last Edit: 06/27/2024 04:41 pm by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1149 on: 06/27/2024 04:02 pm »
Video only.

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1806312164753293604

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Alpha is going international! Together with @SSCspace, Firefly is expanding Alpha's launch capabilities to Esrange Space Center in Sweden starting in 2026. This new partnership will unlock a long-awaited capability for the European satellite market. Get the details here: https://bit.ly/3zmjlG9
« Last Edit: 06/27/2024 06:07 pm by zubenelgenubi »

Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1150 on: 06/28/2024 06:39 am »
Firefly Aerospace has announced plans to launch Firefly Alpha from Esrange in Sweden. Notably, they say they'll launch from LC-3C, which according to Esrange's user handbook is part of the "Phase 2" build-out of the site's orbital launch capabilities (LC-3A and LC-3B being Phase 1). So that gives some sense of how far away Esrange is from hosting Firefly Alpha.

Where is the dislike button.
Orbital launch from a land locked launch site. Does Firefly want to operate like China's Long march 2?
Nice Sweden, SSC way to stick a knife in the back of European launcher startups.  >:( :-X
I expect Norway will block these launches.

I don't know what on Earth made you think that Sweden of all countries would allow this if there were any chance of a Long March 2 type situation, but Esrange is set to be much more like Baikonur than Jiuquan; there aren't any villages north of it for a hundred miles at least.

And Alpha isn't the first orbital rocket to select Esrange as it's launch site, so if Norway had a problem with it, they probably would've mentioned it by now.
« Last Edit: 06/28/2024 06:42 am by JEF_300 »
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1151 on: 06/28/2024 10:53 am »
The villages I'm writing about are in Norway.
The first stage is projected to land in the Atlantic ocean. It will fly nearly over the Andoya Orbital launch site.
The orbital launch can't stay within the Esrange launch range (zone A to C).
Even at SpaceX Falcon 9 levels of reliability, I would find it justified if Norway doesn't allow launching over populated Norwegian territory. I think a chance of <<1:10 000 for damage to Norwegian property damage is justifiable.
Why are all US orbital launch ranges over sea instead of land?
This might end up being a 7 figure investment by Firefly that is completely useless. 

Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1152 on: 06/30/2024 02:57 am »
For you to be right about this, you have to be smarter than the combined efforts of dozens and dozens of people, across multiple governments and companies. Which of course isn't entirely impossible, but c'mon man, have a little faith.
« Last Edit: 06/30/2024 02:58 am by JEF_300 »
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1153 on: 07/04/2024 06:19 am »
From flight 5’s live stream:

https://twitter.com/bubbinski/status/1808730256536461451

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Firefly Alpha flights 6 and 7 are coming up soon. Flight 6 is a commercial mission for Lockheed Martin, and Flight 7 is the first Elytra flight for the NRO. Elytra is a kind of space tug.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1154 on: 07/12/2024 04:21 pm »


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Miranda Engine 60 Second Hot Fire Test

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Volume on! We completed a 60 second hot fire test of our full length Miranda engine! All of which was designed, built, and tested at our Rocket Ranch in Briggs, TX.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1155 on: 07/15/2024 03:59 pm »
https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1812868752326680808
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Miranda is making moves! Just 24 hours after completing a 60 second hot fire on our full length engine, the team nailed mission duty cycle at 206 seconds, matching the longest engine burn during flight. With this milestone behind us, we're setting the pace in bringing the new medium class of launch vehicles to market.
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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1156 on: 07/16/2024 01:59 pm »
https://twitter.com/TimFernholz/status/1812996298871902625

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scoop—Firefly Aerospace is investigating allegations that CEO Bill Weber had an inappropriate relationship with an employee, amid broader concerns about the company's culture

Full article: Firefly Aerospace Investigates CEO’s Alleged Inappropriate Relationship

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1157 on: 07/17/2024 10:48 pm »
https://fireflyspace.com/news/leadership-change-at-firefly/

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Leadership Change at Firefly

Cedar Park, Texas, July 17, 2024 – Firefly Aerospace’s Board of Directors announced that Bill Weber is no longer serving as CEO of the company, effective immediately. Firefly board member Peter Schumacher will serve as interim CEO while the board initiates a search. Schumacher previously served in this role at Firefly and will lead the company’s more than 700 passionate, hardworking, and talented professionals. A Transition Committee, led by board member and aerospace industry veteran Chris Emerson, will support Schumacher and the Firefly team.

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Re: Firefly Space : Company and Development General Thread
« Reply #1158 on: 07/24/2024 08:59 pm »
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On July 12, just 24 hours after completing a 60 second hot fire, the Firefly team completed mission duty cycle on its full-length Miranda engine with a 206 second hot fire, matching the longest engine burn during flight.

« Last Edit: 07/24/2024 09:00 pm by catdlr »
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