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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #200 on: 02/24/2018 04:53 PM »
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Other Transaction Agreeements or OTAs represent a different approach, not subject to the oversight required by federal contracts. OTAs provide flexibility but also increase risk of reduced accountability and transparency. For this reason, the vast majority of them are relatively low value. Notable exceptions include Commercial Orbital Transportation System (COTS) and the Commercial Crew development program, both at NASA. During COTS, the government invested a substantial amount of the cost and left development in the hands of private enterprise. The resulting system were developed at much less cost to the government than a traditional cost plus contract would have achieved. The story is less clear with the crewed system however, where the balance between contractor descretion, government insight and the risk to human lives continue to be debated.

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Error: Commercial Crew is not using OTA in its current phase (CCtCAP), so using it as an example of OTA is wrong.
She did state "Notable exceptions include Commercial Orbital Transportation System (COTS) and the Commercial Crew development program...", aka, CCDev, which is correct.

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Omission: OTA was (and is) also used by Air Force in their EELV program, which is nothing but low value.
While relatively high value OTA efforts (EELV, COTS, CCDev) occurred in the past, Congress subsequently imposed restrictions; specifically, percentage of spend required by USG vs. OTA awardees; past is not indicative of current or future state options.

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Semi-erroneous: My interpretation of her phrasing "The story is less clear" is that she thinks unlike COTS, Commercial Crew is not achieving low cost when compared to cost plus, if this interpretation is correct then this is also wrong given the huge cost difference between Orion and CC.
Arguable.  The "...risk to human lives..." seems out of place but likely to resonate with some.  Her use of the "...traditional cost plus contract..." in that context vs. e.g., "...traditional FAR contract..." is the most questionably IMO.

Is she arguing that the CCtCap contract vehicle is incorrect (FAR FFP) because NASA ceded too much control (insight-oversight-whatever), or that NASA can only obtain the necessary control with a different contract vehicle (e.g., FAR cost+)?

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Twisted logic: The whole reason CC is delayed is because it's under FAR and NASA is imposing changes, now this delay is being used to prove OTA doesn't always work well and we should go back to FAR. Do you see how perverse this logic is?
Don't see what you are getting at.  CCtCap is under FAR.  However, FAR has many variations, ranging from firm fixed price (FFP) to cost+X (where X has several variations).

Long story short, seems the primary issue is ...

1. If NASA does not have a clear set of requirements they are willing to stick with (they are making it up as they go along), then FAR cost+ is likely the best way to go.

2. If NASA does have a clear set of requirements rhey are willing to stick with, then FAR FPP is the best way to go.

3. If NASA wants development of new capabilities (note "capabilities", which specifically excludes "acuisition" of such capabilities, which must occur under FAR) then OTA/SAA is the best way to go--assuming of course that the commercial partner is willing to put in the requisite $.

... so should NASA have conducted another round of CCDev under SAA/OTA?  Maybe.  But that would that have delayed CC acquisition (which must be under FAR).

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #201 on: 06/05/2018 03:42 PM »
With thanks to Jeff Foust for tweeting this:

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AGENCY:

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

ACTION:

Notice of meeting.

SUMMARY:

In accordance with the Federal Advisory Committee Act, as amended, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) announces a meeting of the National Space Council Users' Advisory Group (UAG).

DATES:

Tuesday, June 19, 2018, 9:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

ADDRESSES:

NASA Headquarters, Executive Conference Center, Room 8Q40B, 300 E Street SW, Washington, DC 20546. Please note that if the prior room is filled to maximum capacity, an overflow room will be provided in the James E. Webb Memorial Auditorium.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:

Mr. Brandon Eden, UAG Designated Federal Officer, NASA Headquarters, Washington, DC 20546, (202) 358-2470 or [email protected]

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:

This meeting will be open to the public up to the capacity of the meeting room. This meeting is also available telephonically and by WebEx. You must use a touch-tone phone to participate in this meeting. Any interested person may dial the Toll Number 1-517-308-9154 or Toll Free Number 888-469-2059 and then the numeric passcode 7145407, followed by the # sign. Note: If dialing in, please “mute” your phone. To join via WebEx, the link is https://nasa.webex.com/​. The meeting number on June 19 is 995 394 422 and the meeting password is JMgpT9A? (case sensitive).

As noted above, this will be the first meeting of the UAG. Topics to be discussed will include:

—Opening Remarks by National Space Council Executive Secretary and National Space Council UAG Chair

—Discussion of Topics for the UAG by the National Space Council

—Formation of Work Plan and UAG Subcommittees

—Other Committee Business and Public Input

Attendees will be requested to sign a register and to comply with NASA Headquarters security requirements, including the presentation of a valid picture ID to NASA Security before access to NASA Headquarters. Foreign nationals attending this meeting will be required to provide a copy of their passport and visa in addition to providing the following information no less than 10 days prior to the meeting: Full name; gender; date/place of birth; citizenship; passport information (number, country, telephone); visa information (number, type, expiration date); employer/affiliation information (name of institution, address, country, telephone); title/position of attendee. To expedite admittance, U.S. citizens and Permanent Residents (green card holders) are requested to provide full name and citizenship status no less than 3 working days prior to the meeting. Information should be sent to Mr. Brandon Eden via email at [email protected] It is imperative that the meeting be held on these dates to the scheduling priorities of the key participants.

Patricia Rausch,

Advisory Committee Management Officer, National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

[FR Doc. 2018-11993 Filed 6-4-18; 8:45 am]

BILLING CODE 7510-13-P

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/06/05/2018-11993/national-space-council-users-advisory-group-meeting

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #202 on: 06/11/2018 04:01 PM »
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USAF Col John Giles, detailed to National Space Council: space traffic management policy has been presented to the president but not yet been signed; look forward to it being approved. [Word is it may be signed next week at the National Space Council meeting next week.]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1006202894117494785

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #203 on: 06/23/2018 05:43 AM »

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Re: National Space Council Reestablished
« Reply #204 on: 07/12/2018 03:25 PM »
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Brett Alexander, Blue Origin: I was not originally a believer in the space council, but impressed by what it’s done. Success due to leadership of vice president, cabinet secretaries taking it seriously, and work by council’s exec. secretary, Scott Pace. #FutureSpace2018

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1017418664218423297

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