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Offline Star One

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Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« on: 06/21/2017 04:51 pm »
Sounds like they want to bring this in house so to speak rather than use outside entities like Space Adventures.

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The first commercial launch of a Soyuz carrier rocket will be carried out by Glavkosmos Launch Services, a new space launch operator, in 2019, Company CEO Alexander Serkin said at the Le Bourget international aerospace show on Tuesday.
"The first launch, the first mission, on which we are now beginning work, is planned for 2019," the chief executive said.
Glavkosmos CEO Denis Lyskov said that an agreement on the space launch had been prepared and would be announced shortly.
"Preparatory work is underway but we expect to announce the signing of the contract before the MAKS airshow," he said.
The contract may be signed at the Russian airshow "but this will depend on the customer," Lyskov said.


More:
http://tass.com/science/952384

And related to the above.

Soyuz spacecraft to become space taxi in future, Russian company says

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LE BOURGET, June 21. /TASS/. The Soyuz spacecraft will be used as a space taxi for tourists after the new-generation Federation (Federatsiya) spacecraft becomes operational, CEO of the Energiya space rocket corporation, Vladimir Solntsev, said.
"I think that the Soyuz has the right to continue its life. As long as there exists a space tourism market and this spacecraft enjoys confidence, this all should be used as essential components," the CEO said.

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Energiya is also considering the possibility to upgrade the Soyuz for circumlunar missions. "If we manage to do it faster, we will have a chance to perfect important systems on it, that will be further used on the Federation," Solntsev noted.

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http://tass.com/science/952535
« Last Edit: 06/21/2017 06:44 pm by Star One »

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #1 on: 07/19/2017 03:16 pm »
I wonder if this announcement is connected to the earlier Glavkosmos comment, posted above?

https://sputniknews.com/society/201707181055650450-tourists-asia-iss-travel/

This deal seems to involve Space Adventures, whilst the announcement above, seemed to suggested that the Russians were about to begin doing this business 'in house'.

The Asian customer seems likely to be Satoshi Takamatsu, who trained with Sarah Brightman in 2015, especially as the article mentions that he has already started training.

Whatever the relationships between the various parties, this looks likely to be the first dedicated 'Commercial Soyuz' with a Russian Commander and two commercial passengers.

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #2 on: 07/21/2017 11:15 am »
This article covers the ISS tourist news , but also covers the potential circumlunar tourist flight:
https://sputniknews.com/society/201707181055650450-tourists-asia-iss-travel/

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A preliminary contract on a tourist flight around the Moon has already been signed by a foreign company, but investments are still needed to prepare the Soyuz spacecraft for the journey, Vladimir Solntsev added.

"We have already signed a preliminary contract… Another issue is that we need to integrate economic and technical issues. I think it will be difficult to raise this issue without a suitable investor," Solntsev told reporters on the sidelines of the 13th International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017.

Solntsev stressed that the investments were needed to modernize the Soyuz spacecraft to make it ready for Lunar orbit.

"The Soyuz spacecraft, which flies to the International Space Station [ISS] and Soyuz, which must fly to the Moon are different. This includes another refueling systems and distant radio communication systems, as well as the return at the second space speed," Solntsev said.

RSC Energia has been cooperating with the US-based Space Adventures space tourism company to secure potential clients wishing to fly around the Moon. Space Adventures reportedly priced the Moon trip at $150 million, with the launch itself likely to take place by 2020. The company has so far sent seven tourists to the ISS since 2001, with the tickets ranging from $25-$35 million. Energia has also been in contact with other partners in the United States, according to Solntsev.


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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #3 on: 07/25/2017 04:48 am »
Energia performed a feasibility study of lunar flyby in 2006  based on double launch of Soyuz-L and Block DM architecture, but nothing happened since that time (apart of increasing volume of  the habitation module attached to Block DM).   
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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #4 on: 07/25/2017 05:06 am »
Energia performed a feasibility study of lunar flyby in 2006  based on double launch of Soyuz-L and Block DM architecture, but nothing happened since that time (apart of increasing volume of  the habitation module attached to Block DM).   
and an update of Blok-DM version to latest architecture, but yeah really no change.

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #5 on: 09/11/2017 12:39 pm »
Another vague report, quoting a high ranking official, suggesting the resumption of commercial astronaut Soyuz flights from 2019.

http://tass.com/science/964484

Hopefully, no smoke without fire, and something a bit more concrete will be revealed soon.

 

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #6 on: 10/20/2017 07:00 pm »
I have been made aware of an Austrian woman, named Johanna Maislinger, who has suggested that she is the astronaut candidate of an upcoming German commercial spaceflight project. This is not the previously announced "Die Astronautin" project.

This new project is said to be funded by an individual, or organisation, based in Berlin, with support from a media partner. Nothing else is known about the timing, purpose, and objectives, of this alleged project.

Maislinger is an engineer, and commercial airline pilot, and is 31 years old. She expects to train for a Soyuz flight.

Despite extensive enquiries, across the global space community, it has not been possible to verify any of this claim independently. 'Space Adventures' has declined several opportunities to comment on this matter.

Can anyone add anything which might corroborate, or otherwise add, to this story?
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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #7 on: 02/19/2019 03:31 pm »
Space Adventures back in the Space Tourism business, after 10 year hiatus!

Soyuz with two paying passengers sounds interesting.

http://tass.com/science/1045321
« Last Edit: 02/19/2019 03:32 pm by tonyq »

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #8 on: 02/20/2019 09:48 am »
http://tass.com/science/1045344

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Russian space agency launches tourist project to fly around Earth along Gagarin’s route

MOSCOW, February 19. /TASS/. Future space tourists will be able to follow the flight of the world’s first man in outer space Yuri Gagarin and fly around Earth in one rotation under a project launched by Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos, the corporation’s CEO Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday.

"We are launching the project of flying around Earth along the short ‘Gagarin’ route, which will allow reducing the time of preparing those wishing to see our planet from outer space for the flight," Rogozin wrote on Twitter.

A few more details in this Russian-language TASS report:
https://tass.ru/kosmos/6133062

A Roscosmos official told TASS that the agency has started negotiations with "several commercial companies" on organizing this project, which is called "Tropa Gagarina" ("(in) Gagarin's trail"). Missions would last "no more than one or two orbits". By not flying to ISS, training time can be significantly reduced.

So are we looking at dedicated single-orbit Soyuz tourist missions? How much would they have to charge space tourists to earn a profit from those?

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #9 on: 02/20/2019 10:44 am »
They don't need to make a profit as such, just to earn US Dollars.

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #10 on: 02/20/2019 08:25 pm »
http://tass.com/science/1045344

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Russian space agency launches tourist project to fly around Earth along Gagarin’s route

MOSCOW, February 19. /TASS/. Future space tourists will be able to follow the flight of the world’s first man in outer space Yuri Gagarin and fly around Earth in one rotation under a project launched by Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos, the corporation’s CEO Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday.

"We are launching the project of flying around Earth along the short ‘Gagarin’ route, which will allow reducing the time of preparing those wishing to see our planet from outer space for the flight," Rogozin wrote on Twitter.

A few more details in this Russian-language TASS report:
https://tass.ru/kosmos/6133062

A Roscosmos official told TASS that the agency has started negotiations with "several commercial companies" on organizing this project, which is called "Tropa Gagarina" ("(in) Gagarin's trail"). Missions would last "no more than one or two orbits". By not flying to ISS, training time can be significantly reduced.

So are we looking at dedicated single-orbit Soyuz tourist missions? How much would they have to charge space tourists to earn a profit from those?

There seem to be two separate proposals here.

Roscosmos and Space Adventures have signed a deal to send two 'tourists' to ISS on a single Soyuz, in late 2021. This is now confirmed on the SA website too, and presumably more details will emerge in the coming months.

The 'Gagarin Trail' proposal (if it can be called that) seems to be, as Bart says, for single orbit flights. This sounds like a complete non-starter, for whole raft of reasons!

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #11 on: 02/21/2019 09:47 am »
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A Roscosmos official told TASS that the agency has started negotiations with "several commercial companies" on organizing this project, which is called "Tropa Gagarina" ("(in) Gagarin's trail"). Missions would last "no more than one or two orbits". By not flying to ISS, training time can be significantly reduced.

So are we looking at dedicated single-orbit Soyuz tourist missions? How much would they have to charge space tourists to earn a profit from those?

For the last question I'd say it could be profitable starting at $40 M per flight, or - assuming one cosmonaut-instructor and two paying tourists - at $20 M per seat.

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #12 on: 02/22/2019 09:40 pm »
https://tass.ru/kosmos/6149809

Rogozin now saying that the short Soyuz tourist flights will last not one orbit, but 24 hours. Looks then like "Titov's trail" would be a more appropriate name for the project:-)
 

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Re: Russia Ready To Send Tourists Into Space
« Reply #13 on: 02/22/2019 10:29 pm »
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A Roscosmos official told TASS that the agency has started negotiations with "several commercial companies" on organizing this project, which is called "Tropa Gagarina" ("(in) Gagarin's trail"). Missions would last "no more than one or two orbits". By not flying to ISS, training time can be significantly reduced.

So are we looking at dedicated single-orbit Soyuz tourist missions? How much would they have to charge space tourists to earn a profit from those?

For the last question I'd say it could be profitable starting at $40 M per flight, or - assuming one cosmonaut-instructor and two paying tourists - at $20 M per seat.
While SpaceX and Boeing haven't been advertising tourist flights, I'd expect hear something after they have flown crew. Seat price of $25-40m ($125-200m mission) is good guess.

Don't expect to much of price war at beginning, not until they ramp up flights and demand drops at whatever initial price is set.

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