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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #240 on: 01/30/2023 01:28 am »
The structural integrity of the solid propellant grain after either an oxidizer or something inert flows through at operational engine pressure level in a large hybrid engine hasn't been tested much.

Big chunks of the grain breaking off might obstruct the engine exhaust flow and cause an over pressure event inside the engine casing, if the propellant grain structural  integrity fails after a previous oxidizer or inert substance flow through a large hybrid  engine.
A wet dress involves filling the tank with the oxidiser or some other similar gas to test everything holds together and works before trying to light the candle. Nothing flows through the chamber (well, at least it shouldn't) so the grain should remain unaffected.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #241 on: 04/05/2023 09:50 am »
https://twitter.com/gilmourspace/status/1643536152505507841

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Beautiful day for putting up our 24m-tall fluids tower, which forms part of the ground support infrastructure for our maiden #Eris rocket launch at the Bowen Orbital Spaceport later this year!
#BOS #behindthescenes #TestFlight1

(Expected 🚀 date is now no earlier than Q4 2023.)

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #242 on: 04/05/2023 11:17 am »
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Beautiful day for putting up our 24m-tall fluids tower, which forms part of the ground support infrastructure for our maiden #Eris rocket launch at the Bowen Orbital Spaceport later this year!
#BOS #behindthescenes #TestFlight1

(Expected 🚀 date is now no earlier than Q4 2023.)

Staying with "we will launch in NET 6 months", since 2021. Launch is not coming nearer, schedule is humbug.
"Never, never be afraid of the truth." -- Jim Bridenstine

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #243 on: 04/05/2023 03:06 pm »
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Beautiful day for putting up our 24m-tall fluids tower, which forms part of the ground support infrastructure for our maiden #Eris rocket launch at the Bowen Orbital Spaceport later this year!
#BOS #behindthescenes #TestFlight1

(Expected date is now no earlier than Q4 2023.)

Staying with "we will launch in NET 6 months", since 2021. Launch is not coming nearer, schedule is humbug.
Statement implies 6months but says launch no EARLIER than 6 months. Clever.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #244 on: 04/07/2023 03:47 am »
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Beautiful day for putting up our 24m-tall fluids tower, which forms part of the ground support infrastructure for our maiden #Eris rocket launch at the Bowen Orbital Spaceport later this year!
#BOS #behindthescenes #TestFlight1

(Expected date is now no earlier than Q4 2023.)

Staying with "we will launch in NET 6 months", since 2021. Launch is not coming nearer, schedule is humbug.
Statement implies 6months but says launch no EARLIER than 6 months. Clever.
This has moved out by 6+ months, was supposed to be April 2023 (i.e. now). Do they have enough cash to go the distance if it slips again into 2024, adding approx. a full year of extra cost?
« Last Edit: 04/07/2023 03:48 am by ringsider »

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #245 on: 04/10/2023 11:49 pm »
This has moved out by 6+ months, was supposed to be April 2023 (i.e. now). Do they have enough cash to go the distance if it slips again into 2024, adding approx. a full year of extra cost?

If you include Queensland taxpayer's funds, then yep they've plenty of cash to wait it out with and if Adam's past performance is anything to go on, would have little trouble getting more.

Their biggest hurdle always was, and still is, whether they'll get approval to launch anything over both the Great Barrier Reef (one of the natural wonders of the world) and one of Australia's busiest shipping lanes.  Perhaps they should do a deal with Southern Launch instead?
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #246 on: 04/11/2023 02:52 am »
If you include Queensland taxpayer's funds, then yep they've plenty of cash to wait it out with and if Adam's past performance is anything to go on, would have little trouble getting more.
I wouldn't be so sure. I suspect they're burning quite a lot of cash given their staffing and the fact that they're at least making out like they're trying to press the button. And sooner or later the music will stop on the VC funds given their lack of track record. Also, I don't think the QLD taxpayer will be forking out much, Australian governments (state and federal) are very keen on talking up space without spending a cent.

Their biggest hurdle always was, and still is, whether they'll get approval to launch anything over both the Great Barrier Reef (one of the natural wonders of the world) and one of Australia's busiest shipping lanes.  Perhaps they should do a deal with Southern Launch instead?
I disagree. I think their biggest risk is being able to actually fly their rocket successfully. If they're able to do that (which is a HUGE IF), I think their second biggest risk is being able to place a payload on orbit given their choice of a hybrid for a first stage motor. TBH, this bird is DOA imho.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #247 on: 04/11/2023 04:10 am »
Probability of successful maiden launch is very low. No startup has yet succeeded.


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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #248 on: 04/11/2023 05:56 am »
Probability of successful maiden launch is very low. No startup has yet succeeded.

Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #249 on: 04/11/2023 10:12 am »
Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
Them and a company called Orbital Sciences a while back.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #250 on: 04/11/2023 10:28 am »


Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
Them and a company called Orbital Sciences a while back.

Orbital Sciences didn't design and build Antares from scratch it was cobbled together from parts built by experienced aerospace companies. Engines from Russian with ARJ modifying them. Booster from Pivdenmash Ukraine and US from ATK.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #251 on: 04/11/2023 10:32 am »
Probability of successful maiden launch is very low. No startup has yet succeeded.

Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
The government-developed YF-102 engine powers the first stage. 
So not totally a solo effort.


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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #252 on: 04/11/2023 11:56 am »


Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
Them and a company called Orbital Sciences a while back.

Orbital Sciences didn't design and build Antares from scratch it was cobbled together from parts built by experienced aerospace companies. Engines from Russian with ARJ modifying them. Booster from Pivdenmash Ukraine and US from ATK.


Wasn't Kryten speaking of Pegasus instead ?

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #253 on: 04/11/2023 05:53 pm »




Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
Them and a company called Orbital Sciences a while back.

Orbital Sciences didn't design and build Antares from scratch it was cobbled together from parts built by experienced aerospace companies. Engines from Russian with ARJ modifying them. Booster from Pivdenmash Ukraine and US from ATK.


Wasn't Kryten speaking of Pegasus instead ?

Pegasus SRM stages were designed and built by Hercules Aerospace. The bulk of LV was designed and built by very experienced aerospace contractor.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #254 on: 04/12/2023 04:50 am »
Probability of successful maiden launch is very low. No startup has yet succeeded.

Tianlong-2 succeeded on 2 April and that was their maiden launch. But yes, it's incredibly rare and they were the first to do it (to my knowledge).
The government-developed YF-102 engine powers the first stage. 
So not totally a solo effort.

Yep, hence why I didn't say it was developed fully in house. But realistically this doesn't help Gilmour's chances, quite the opposite in fact.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #255 on: 05/13/2023 08:08 am »
https://twitter.com/gilmourspace/status/1657145195966889985

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Thanks to @theprojecttv for sharing our founders' story…and a special shoutout to all our fellow founders in the Aussie Space industry for daring to dream, and for having the courage, grit & determination to make it happen here in Australia. 💪🚀 ✨

twitter.com/theprojecttv/status/1656952676368760833

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Adam and James Gilmour grew up dreaming of being astronauts, and they might be about to make their dream a reality as their first homegrown rocket is being readied for launch.


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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #256 on: 05/14/2023 08:29 am »
Some screen grabs. The first image could be their partially completed first rocket. The second two images show an engine test which apparently had a burn through of the motor casing near the nozzle. This could have been done on purpose to find the limits of the design.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #257 on: 05/15/2023 11:38 pm »
Did they share any information on if/when they might attempt launch?

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #258 on: 05/17/2023 06:06 am »
Australian Prime Minister visit:

twitter.com/albomp/status/1658683759879950337

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Let’s reach for the stars, Australia 🚀

You’re looking at the first Australian made rocket that will attempt orbital space launch.

Gilmour Space Technologies started in Queensland as just two brothers, and they now employ almost 200 people.

https://twitter.com/albomp/status/1658683763721904128

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Their hybrid rocket engine technology is the first in the world to use a combination of solid and liquid propellants.

twitter.com/albomp/status/1658683767345782784

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It's truly an Australian manufacturing success story, and we want more of them. 

That's why our National Reconstruction Fund backs local manufacturing, including in the space industry.

https://twitter.com/albomp/status/1658683770822852608

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And our Industry Growth Program in last week’s budget helps turn ideas into success stories. 

We’re backing more out of this world innovation, right here in Australia.

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Re: Gilmour Space Technologies
« Reply #259 on: 05/18/2023 06:35 am »
Did they share any information on if/when they might attempt launch?

I think they said "latter this year".
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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