CORRECTION:
Wednesday Dr. Fearn will be giving her presentation on the Mach Effect MEGA thruster at 11:10 Mountain Time. It's available live at https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017
NIAC video:
https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017/videos/163432557 starts at approx 48:00
Dr. Fearn's NIAC presentation is now up on YouTube:
Believe Prof Tajmar has presented his paper at IAC 2017 on his MEGA drive replication.
Trust it will surface some time soon.
https://iafastro.directory/iac/paper/id/38595/summary/
Simplified theory as attached:
Apologies for non-physicist questions but:
I was wondering why she said the spaceship gets up to about .4c as that is about the limit it could survive. Is that because of space dust or something?
Also I read somewhere that as a spacecraft approaches c, the power needed to go faster tends to infinity. Does that apply here to?
Definitely some head in the clouds thinking, and I can understand that, especially when you're presenting to a NASA crowd. It's not ultimately useful to expend so much time and resources planning lofty space missions, when the basics haven't been covered yet. The ugly reality is that we're dealing with devices here that barely produce any thrust whatsoever, and you need a carefully calibrated balance combined with statistical analysis in order to even see the signal. At 20:43 to 20:54, Dr. Fearn acknowledges the importance of the damper, and begins talking about converting from kinetic and potential energy (and back and forth), which is describing conservative force fields. The issue I want to raise is that the damper represents a nonconservative element, meaning that if you integrate the work done around a closed loop you don't end up back at zero.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node59.html
I would recommend completely dropping all the Mach effects talk, which in my opinion is an even worse tar baby being used to explain the first tar baby....how is momentum and energy conserved? In physics, we want to be able to explain things and to understand things as simply and as accurately as possible. When you say that the device is coupling with the distant matter of the universe, and sprinkle some Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory (which is not proven to be real) in for good measure, what is this saying? Does it have any meaning? Saying that it works because of Mach effects doesn't have any meaning. Where's the proof of these Mach effects? They seem like an ad-hoc means to explain away a very important problem, but now instead of there just being one problem (the conservation laws), now there's two.
CORRECTION:
Wednesday Dr. Fearn will be giving her presentation on the Mach Effect MEGA thruster at 11:10 Mountain Time. It's available live at https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017
NIAC video:
https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017/videos/163432557 starts at approx 48:00
Dr. Fearn's NIAC presentation is now up on YouTube:
Believe Prof Tajmar has presented his paper at IAC 2017 on his MEGA drive replication.
Trust it will surface some time soon.
https://iafastro.directory/iac/paper/id/38595/summary/
Simplified theory as attached:
Apologies for non-physicist questions but:
I was wondering why she said the spaceship gets up to about .4c as that is about the limit it could survive. Is that because of space dust or something?
Also I read somewhere that as a spacecraft approaches c, the power needed to go faster tends to infinity. Does that apply here to?
Definitely some head in the clouds thinking, and I can understand that, especially when you're presenting to a NASA crowd. It's not ultimately useful to expend so much time and resources planning lofty space missions, when the basics haven't been covered yet. The ugly reality is that we're dealing with devices here that barely produce any thrust whatsoever, and you need a carefully calibrated balance combined with statistical analysis in order to even see the signal. At 20:43 to 20:54, Dr. Fearn acknowledges the importance of the damper, and begins talking about converting from kinetic and potential energy (and back and forth), which is describing conservative force fields. The issue I want to raise is that the damper represents a nonconservative element, meaning that if you integrate the work done around a closed loop you don't end up back at zero.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node59.html
I would recommend completely dropping all the Mach effects talk, which in my opinion is an even worse tar baby being used to explain the first tar baby....how is momentum and energy conserved? In physics, we want to be able to explain things and to understand things as simply and as accurately as possible. When you say that the device is coupling with the distant matter of the universe, and sprinkle some Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory (which is not proven to be real) in for good measure, what is this saying? Does it have any meaning? Saying that it works because of Mach effects doesn't have any meaning. Where's the proof of these Mach effects? They seem like an ad-hoc means to explain away a very important problem, but now instead of there just being one problem (the conservation laws), now there's two.
Mulletron,
"Where's the proof of these Mach effects?" Where indeed, I promise you it keeps me awake nights. But to accept paradox and deny the new millenium's most interesting experimental results is not the answer either
Nothing (whether anisotropic, inhomogeneous, etc.) that one can do solely with internal fields, internal forces, or internal particles can result in acceleration of the center of mass by itself without the involvement of external fields, as this would be a violation of Noether's theorem. Acceleration of the center of mass can only take place either by ejection of mass/energy or by involvement of an external field.
)Nothing (whether anisotropic, inhomogeneous, etc.) that one can do solely with internal fields, internal forces, or internal particles can result in acceleration of the center of mass by itself without the involvement of external fields, as this would be a violation of Noether's theorem. Acceleration of the center of mass can only take place either by ejection of mass/energy or by involvement of an external field.
So if there's an external field involved here, what is it? (And please don't tell me it's a "field of dreams")
Is it the Quantum Foam (aka. Dynamic Vacuum) ?
CORRECTION:
Wednesday Dr. Fearn will be giving her presentation on the Mach Effect MEGA thruster at 11:10 Mountain Time. It's available live at https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017
NIAC video:
https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017/videos/163432557 starts at approx 48:00
Dr. Fearn's NIAC presentation is now up on YouTube:
Believe Prof Tajmar has presented his paper at IAC 2017 on his MEGA drive replication.
Trust it will surface some time soon.
https://iafastro.directory/iac/paper/id/38595/summary/
Simplified theory as attached:
Hi
You mean like this?
qraal
We plan to build an EMDrive model similar to White et al. on our upgraded thrust balance as shown in Fig. 3. Our vacuum chamber is much larger allowing for better electromagnetic shielding. We plan to optimize the thermal design to limit any centre of gravity shifts due to thermal expansion. In addition, other geometries will be extensively tested as well.
This is the laser displacement sensor Tajmar is going to use. 3 sensor axis with 1pm sensor resolution and 2nm repeatability. Much better than the Philtec sensor used by Woordward and Fearn. I would love to get my hands on one of these! I bet it costs $5,000 - $10,000.
http://www.attocube.com/attosensorics/ids-sensors/ids3010/


Hi
You mean like this?
qraal
Interesting, page 4:Quote from: Martin TajmarWe plan to build an EMDrive model similar to White et al. on our upgraded thrust balance as shown in Fig. 3. Our vacuum chamber is much larger allowing for better electromagnetic shielding. We plan to optimize the thermal design to limit any centre of gravity shifts due to thermal expansion. In addition, other geometries will be extensively tested as well.
Figure 3 attached. It is designed to work with a light and compact solid-state microwave source mounted on the cavity. A much better design IMHO than their previous cavity with the giant hole on its side to fit a WR340 waveguide and a microwave oven magnetron, that was operating below optimal resonance.
Hi
You mean like this?
qraal
Interesting, page 4:Quote from: Martin TajmarWe plan to build an EMDrive model similar to White et al. on our upgraded thrust balance as shown in Fig. 3. Our vacuum chamber is much larger allowing for better electromagnetic shielding. We plan to optimize the thermal design to limit any centre of gravity shifts due to thermal expansion. In addition, other geometries will be extensively tested as well.
Figure 3 attached. It is designed to work with a light and compact solid-state microwave source mounted on the cavity. A much better design IMHO than their previous cavity with the giant hole on its side to fit a WR340 waveguide and a microwave oven magnetron, that was operating below optimal resonance.In their previous report for << their previous cavity with the giant hole on its side to fit a WR340 waveguide and a microwave oven magnetron, that was operating below optimal resonance>> they repeatedly thanked Shawyer for the advice on building that previous cavity. In this new report for the design of << a light and compact solid-state microwave source mounted on the cavity. A much better design IMHO>> they do not mention any advice from Shawyer, is that correct?
...
Correct.
Although in this very recent document, Tajmar credits Shawyer for being the inventor of the EmDrive, and cites his papers in the references, as well as critiques of Shawyer's theory as being a closed system incompatible with known physical laws, and possible alternatives as an open system (with McCulloch's quantised inertia and Montillet's Mach effect).
He [Shawyer] believes that the radiation pressure is different at the small and large ends which results in a net thrust force [21]. This was highly criticized as not being compatible with electromagnetism and conservation laws [22]. Alternative theories have appeared [23],[24] including a variable mass approach as outlined above [25], however, the community remains highly sceptical on the theoretical grounds of this concept
Nothing (whether anisotropic, inhomogeneous, etc.) that one can do solely with internal fields, internal forces, or internal particles can result in acceleration of the center of mass by itself without the involvement of external fields, as this would be a violation of Noether's theorem. Acceleration of the center of mass can only take place either by ejection of mass/energy or by involvement of an external field.
So if there's an external field involved here, what is it? (And please don't tell me it's a "field of dreams")
Is it the Quantum Foam (aka. Dynamic Vacuum) ?
That or gravity. Its a short list.
CORRECTION:
Wednesday Dr. Fearn will be giving her presentation on the Mach Effect MEGA thruster at 11:10 Mountain Time. It's available live at https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017
NIAC video:
https://livestream.com/viewnow/NIAC2017/videos/163432557 starts at approx 48:00
Dr. Fearn's NIAC presentation is now up on YouTube:
Believe Prof Tajmar has presented his paper at IAC 2017 on his MEGA drive replication.
Trust it will surface some time soon.
https://iafastro.directory/iac/paper/id/38595/summary/
Simplified theory as attached:
Apologies for non-physicist questions but:
I was wondering why she said the spaceship gets up to about .4c as that is about the limit it could survive. Is that because of space dust or something?
Also I read somewhere that as a spacecraft approaches c, the power needed to go faster tends to infinity. Does that apply here to?
Definitely some head in the clouds thinking, and I can understand that, especially when you're presenting to a NASA crowd. It's not ultimately useful to expend so much time and resources planning lofty space missions, when the basics haven't been covered yet. The ugly reality is that we're dealing with devices here that barely produce any thrust whatsoever, and you need a carefully calibrated balance combined with statistical analysis in order to even see the signal. At 20:43 to 20:54, Dr. Fearn acknowledges the importance of the damper, and begins talking about converting from kinetic and potential energy (and back and forth), which is describing conservative force fields. The issue I want to raise is that the damper represents a nonconservative element, meaning that if you integrate the work done around a closed loop you don't end up back at zero.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/301/lectures/node59.html
I would recommend completely dropping all the Mach effects talk, which in my opinion is an even worse tar baby being used to explain the first tar baby....how is momentum and energy conserved? In physics, we want to be able to explain things and to understand things as simply and as accurately as possible. When you say that the device is coupling with the distant matter of the universe, and sprinkle some Wheeler-Feynman absorber theory (which is not proven to be real) in for good measure, what is this saying? Does it have any meaning? Saying that it works because of Mach effects doesn't have any meaning. Where's the proof of these Mach effects? They seem like an ad-hoc means to explain away a very important problem, but now instead of there just being one problem (the conservation laws), now there's two.
Mulletron,
"Where's the proof of these Mach effects?" Where indeed, I promise you it keeps me awake nights. But to accept paradox and deny the new millenium's most interesting experimental results is not the answer either
just curious- has anyone read the article yesterday or the day before about the collapse of the wave function being a real thing?
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Quantum_twisted_Loong_confirms_the_physical_reality_of_wavefunctions_999.html
it might be of interest since some theories involve the quantum angle.
Frustum TE013 @ ~3.6 GHz
I have made my first frustum cavity. It is all handwork. Still have to make the coupling loop(s), so it may take a few weeks before I can measure the exact resonance frequencies. It is designed to have the TE013 at 3.55 GHz. Only the small end has a flange. Side wall and big endplate (flat) are from 0.5 mm copper, small endplate 1.0 mm, flange 2 mm. Dims: small diam 123 mm, big diam 204 mm, height 164 mm.
I'll keep you informed about my progress (but probably not so much time in the coming month).
Peter
Frustum TE013 @ ~3.6 GHz
I have made my first frustum cavity. It is all handwork. Still have to make the coupling loop(s), so it may take a few weeks before I can measure the exact resonance frequencies. It is designed to have the TE013 at 3.55 GHz. Only the small end has a flange. Side wall and big endplate (flat) are from 0.5 mm copper, small endplate 1.0 mm, flange 2 mm. Dims: small diam 123 mm, big diam 204 mm, height 164 mm.
I'll keep you informed about my progress (but probably not so much time in the coming month).
Peter
Hi Peter,
I get 3.579 GHz with a Df of 0.6. Small end is 608 MHz above cutoff.
With your soldered on big end, how will you achieve mirror like & scratch free surface finishing?
Might also considering adding a compression O ring at the small end, so by varying bolt torque around the circumference you can adjust end plate parallelism to achieve lowest rtn loss and highest Q.
The coupler design needs to avoid exciting the degenerate TM113 mode which resonances at the same if not very close to the TE013 resonant freq.
With a good build, well matched TE mode coupler and polish, Ql should be around 18k, based on 75% of Qu at 49k. Specific Force should be around 70mN/kWrf.
Best of luck.
Hi
You mean like this?
qraal
Interesting, page 4:Quote from: Martin TajmarWe plan to build an EMDrive model similar to White et al. on our upgraded thrust balance as shown in Fig. 3. Our vacuum chamber is much larger allowing for better electromagnetic shielding. We plan to optimize the thermal design to limit any centre of gravity shifts due to thermal expansion. In addition, other geometries will be extensively tested as well.
Figure 3 attached. It is designed to work with a light and compact solid-state microwave source mounted on the cavity. A much better design IMHO than their previous cavity with the giant hole on its side to fit a WR340 waveguide and a microwave oven magnetron, that was operating below optimal resonance.