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#1220
by
dorkmo
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:07
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On the plus side FH crew can get well rested before the big day. Theyre probably worn out.
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#1221
by
yokem55
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:12
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So do they take her down and roll back into the HIF for the duration, or so they do a few more WDR's to collect data?
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#1222
by
oldAtlas_Eguy
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:16
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There are only 2 US launch ops in jeopardy: FH demo and Gov/Sat. Gov/Sat is scheduled for 9 days away meaning a static fire this week. So if FH Demo static fire is significantly delayed it will have to leapfrog Gov/Sat ops.
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#1223
by
lrk
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:17
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Greg PalloneVerified account
@gpallone13
NO LAUNCHES: per @45thSpaceWing key members of civilian workforce are removed due to govt shutdown. 45th cannot support @SpaceX commerical static fire tests @NASAKennedy or launch operations @MyNews13
https://twitter.com/gpallone13/status/955118574988865536
Does this apply for both coasts, or only for Cape Canaveral/KSC?
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#1224
by
ChrisGebhardt
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:18
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Greg PalloneVerified account
@gpallone13
NO LAUNCHES: per @45thSpaceWing key members of civilian workforce are removed due to govt shutdown. 45th cannot support @SpaceX commerical static fire tests @NASAKennedy or launch operations @MyNews13
https://twitter.com/gpallone13/status/955118574988865536
Does this apply for both coasts, or only for Cape Canaveral/KSC?
Both. Vandenberg is an Air Force range just like the Cape.
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#1225
by
ChrisGebhardt
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:19
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There are only 2 US launch ops in jeopardy: FH demo and Gov/Sat. Gov/Sat is scheduled for 9 days away meaning a static fire this week. So if FH Demo static fire is significantly delayed it will have to leapfrog Gov/Sat ops.
It's worth pointing out that FH was never going to be priority over GovSat/SES-16. And as Shotwell has said, they need about 2 weeks between static fire and launch for Falcon Heavy. So FH is already at this point behind GovSat/SES-16 in the launch order.
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#1226
by
Space Ghost 1962
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:22
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Was present for the first launch of Falcon 9 1.1 at Vandenberg on the eve of the 2013 Shutdown, watched the shutdown interfere with the next launch's preparations at CCAFS of MAVEN, but this was remedied and MAVEN flew on time following shutdown end.
Three suborbital tests (two missile tests and a sounding rocket) flew from elsewhere during the shutdown.
Looks like this shutdown will be managed poorly compared to last, judging by this announcement.
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#1227
by
Rocket Science
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:23
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Thanks ChrisG, I was beginning to feel like the "lone voice crying in the wilderness" about the static fire needing the Cape's permission and support...
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#1228
by
ChrisGebhardt
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:26
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Was present for the first launch of Falcon 9 1.1 at Vandenberg on the eve of the 2013 Shutdown, watched the shutdown interfere with the next launch's preparations at CCAFS of MAVEN, but this was remedied and MAVEN flew on time following shutdown end.
Three suborbital tests (two missile tests and a sounding rocket) flew from elsewhere during the shutdown.
Looks like this shutdown will be managed poorly compared to last, judging by this announcement.
Not really. Missions deemed a) necessary to national security or b) to have such a significant flight slip risk (MAVEN) were allowed to continue via emergency funding in the 2013 shutdown. Same would be true in this shutdown.
Falcon Heavy static fire does not fall into either of the two possible exception categories.
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#1229
by
Space Ghost 1962
on 21 Jan, 2018 16:40
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Was present for the first launch of Falcon 9 1.1 at Vandenberg on the eve of the 2013 Shutdown, watched the shutdown interfere with the next launch's preparations at CCAFS of MAVEN, but this was remedied and MAVEN flew on time following shutdown end.
Three suborbital tests (two missile tests and a sounding rocket) flew from elsewhere during the shutdown.
Looks like this shutdown will be managed poorly compared to last, judging by this announcement.
Not really. Missions deemed a) necessary to national security or b) to have such a significant flight slip risk (MAVEN) were allowed to continue via emergency funding in the 2013 shutdown. Same would be true in this shutdown.
Falcon Heavy static fire does not fall into either of the two possible exception categories.
Keep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS
for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads.
And DIVH isn't exactly an easy thing to launch in less than 3.5 years from order.
Test launches also count for national security. As I cited in my post.
add:
Oh, and the White Sands sounding rocket wasn't time sensitive, being an SDO calibration mission. So why was it allowed to fly during the shutdown, also using civilian govt staff?
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#1230
by
pb2000
on 21 Jan, 2018 17:30
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Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
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#1231
by
Jim
on 21 Jan, 2018 17:31
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Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directly
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#1232
by
Jim
on 21 Jan, 2018 17:32
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Keep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads.
Not really
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#1233
by
pb2000
on 21 Jan, 2018 17:44
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Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directly
Which is why I asked if they could...
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#1234
by
Space Ghost 1962
on 21 Jan, 2018 18:05
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Keep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads.
Not really
How long has a DIVH sit on the pad, 9 months?
So, you like to live with no contingencies, no backup? Doesn't sound like the AF I've known.
BTW, at that initial F9 Vandenburg launch, certain officers told me of the importance of the launch, and having a backup LV.
Be careful of over representing a team opinion.
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#1235
by
Robotbeat
on 21 Jan, 2018 18:45
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It's not that FH is not useful for NSS. But if you held such an expansive definition of "essential," then you'd have to also consider much of the rest of the military and NASA essential.
This whole thing is just a mess.
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#1236
by
meekGee
on 21 Jan, 2018 19:19
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Keep in mind that FH has a key value to NSS for the program to advance. Few could launch the largest payloads.
Not really
How long has a DIVH sit on the pad, 9 months?
So, you like to live with no contingencies, no backup? Doesn't sound like the AF I've known.
BTW, at that initial F9 Vandenburg launch, certain officers told me of the importance of the launch, and having a backup LV.
Be careful of over representing a team opinion.
So essential in terms of capability, but not day-critical in the sense that a particular something is hanging in the balance in the immediate term.
This shut-down show has become such a predictable spectacle it's embarrassing.
The networks are already packaging coverage of the shutdown into a templated form, to be used once per year... A little bit like sports coverage, except that in this case the suited empty talking heads are on both sides of the cameras.
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#1237
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 21 Jan, 2018 20:23
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#1238
by
Roy_H
on 21 Jan, 2018 20:27
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Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directly
Which is why I asked if they could...
We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.
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#1239
by
IntoTheVoid
on 21 Jan, 2018 20:58
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Can SpaceX just pay the right people to come to work or are there some sort of rules similar to strikes/lockouts?
SpaceX doesn't pay for gov't workers directly
Which is why I asked if they could...
We are not talking about people to move road blocks, these are people trained to operate sophisticated equipment in government buildings. Access to buildings would be restricted, and skilled workers impossible to come by on short notice.
He didn't say hire replacements, he said to pay the appropriate people.
Technically, the answer is probably yes; practically the answer is probably not. If you have a contract, the gov't could expend your contract money to work, but the contracts people won't be working. I've worked with a gov't group that (in previous shutdowns) used money received through FMS (Foreign Military Sales) to keep people working. You just don't have FY18 budgetary funding. If you have prior year money, you can generally spend that, as the Smithsonian said was their plan. Or you can use money received by other means. Depending on their accounting, the range probably could stay open by expending range fees, if those fees are received directly into their accounts and not into more general ones. But if they don't do their accounting that way, or just don't feel like shuffling things there's not anything you can do.
