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Do they not know where the utilities are located and have them marked?

There shouldn't be anything critical to other facilities that close to a pad anyway.

Yes, and problems still happen, just like the real world too.  Installing infrastructure tie-ins can happen miles away from the main site.
Last year in NZ the 100km avgas pipeline to our largest airport burst in middle of nowhere. Dozens of flights were cancelled, planes that did land were carrying return fuel on board at significant cost to airlines. Turns out pipe had been damaged by digger years ago, just took a few years to burst.

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That's more like it.

Pretty sure that's at least a month old. The latest terraserver image (27th Feb) shows 3 tanks fully installed at the further set at the top left.

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He added he expected more infrastructure, from electrical systems to commodities, at the Cape than they’ve found. “I’m going to be brutally honest: when we chose Florida, we thought infrastructure was a no-brainer,” he said. “We are investing way too much money in putting what I would call core systems—new substations, pipelines, trying to figure out where commodities are going to come from. That’s less money invested in the really hard work of developing new and innovative launch systems, figuring out [concepts of operations], how to launch and re-launch.”

The infrastructure is that you have essentially automatic approval to tie in at whatever size needed and can put in new substations or pipelines without 2 years of planning and approvals prior to breaking ground on them.  If they are finding themselves with less than they expected, that means they did poor planning (or there was poor internal communication to ensure that everyone involved knew the score).
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Good news for Space History fans. Turns out Hangar S at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station is being leased by Blue Origin. It has been saved from demolition!

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/987710598229254145

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Managed to get this screen-cap of LC-36 during the CRS-16 reentry right up until the booster started spinning (its like they knew!)

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Recent photo of LC-36. Don't mind the visitor in the background.

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Yeah, um, I think that’s a composite image made as a joke...
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Yeah, um, I think that’s a composite image made as a joke...
Ot SpaceX came up with a pretty elaborate ruse to get low altitude aerial photography of BOs plant...

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Or SpaceX came up with a pretty elaborate ruse to get low altitude aerial photography of BOs plant...

When all you've got is a hammer rocket, use a hammer rocket...?

I suppose that's one way to conduct industrial espionage -- who'd expect an aerospace company to spy on them from the sea...? ;-)

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Clay Mowry, Blue Origin: more than 700 people working daily at LC-36 launch site in Florida for New Glenn. Foundation set, now above ground pouring concrete for it. #CST2019

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That is a lot of people! It'd be great to have an article on the conversion job.
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[Audrey] Powers: since reusability is fundamental to Blue Origin, we said we want New Glenn licensed as an RLV from the Eastern Range, rather that using existing, more familiar ELV regs. Everyone involved “looked at us like we had four heads.” Painstaking process. #CST2019

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I gotta say as someone who has actually had a hand in building active launch pads Blue is not on pace for their goal to fly by 2021.  The longest part of the build process is the end when you're pulling all the complicated systems online.  From start to finish 39A was over 2 years of consistent work and it had a lot of things already in place that Blue is lacking.  Not to mention the construction of things like their own transport erector and launch frame. 

It is funny to see them take over the old hangar we basically trashed.  A lot of the structure including the 39A transport erector and reaction fixture started its life in Hangar S.  Surely that is Blue's plan as well, build up auxiliary launch structure in the that un-powered furnace.  Even with the hangar doors open that place gets no airflow. 

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I gotta say as someone who has actually had a hand in building active launch pads Blue is not on pace for their goal to fly by 2021.  The longest part of the build process is the end when you're pulling all the complicated systems online.  From start to finish 39A was over 2 years of consistent work and it had a lot of things already in place that Blue is lacking.  Not to mention the construction of things like their own transport erector and launch frame. 

It is funny to see them take over the old hangar we basically trashed.  A lot of the structure including the 39A transport erector and reaction fixture started its life in Hangar S.  Surely that is Blue's plan as well, build up auxiliary launch structure in the that un-powered furnace.  Even with the hangar doors open that place gets no airflow.

Agreed. On the other hand, I can't begin to imagine SpaceX had anything close to 700+ people working on 39A or LC-40 at any given moment, so it's possible that Blue will be able to take advantage of that glut of employees and generally worry-free capital.

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I gotta say as someone who has actually had a hand in building active launch pads Blue is not on pace for their goal to fly by 2021.  The longest part of the build process is the end when you're pulling all the complicated systems online.  From start to finish 39A was over 2 years of consistent work and it had a lot of things already in place that Blue is lacking.  Not to mention the construction of things like their own transport erector and launch frame. 

It is funny to see them take over the old hangar we basically trashed.  A lot of the structure including the 39A transport erector and reaction fixture started its life in Hangar S.  Surely that is Blue's plan as well, build up auxiliary launch structure in the that un-powered furnace.  Even with the hangar doors open that place gets no airflow.

Agreed. On the other hand, I can't begin to imagine SpaceX had anything close to 700+ people working on 39A or LC-40 at any given moment, so it's possible that Blue will be able to take advantage of that glut of employees and generally worry-free capital.

That's really only something that can happen with the general contracting pouring concrete and building and basic structure.  When it comes time to plumb and assemble the actual launch hardware it will be a significantly smaller group.  I know a long time ago Blue didn't plan on having a dedicated GSE fabrication team like SpaceX does, I'm curious if seeing the actual difficulty and scale of the project in front of them if that opinion has changed.  You have so much less control over the project with contractors.  Especially super expensive ones like metrology/tooling and field machinist groups.  Those guys bleed NASA dry with the mobile launcher. 

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