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Offline Pete

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2180 on: 03/09/2018 09:57 am »
So, I'm wondering; how many times does FH need to fly before is can be considered a real rocket rather than a powerpoint one?

Fair question, as *I* still consider the SLS a paper rocket, despite quite a bit of hardware for it existing already.

The question is whether it will, actually, fly. Or not.
As Falcon Heavy has flown once, even if in a pre-production not-quite-final-version as it did, I consider it very real.

As SLS has not flown, and the planned launch dates keep wafting downwind faster than the pages in the calendar do, I do not consider it "real" yet.

Just my 2c

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2181 on: 03/09/2018 11:04 am »
This *is* the party thread, right? Regarding pre-production version, one might argue that no production Falcon 9 has flown since they can't seem to keep from tinkering with the darn beast. Which leads us to the question, if they have redesigned every component, is it still a Falcon 9?

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2182 on: 03/09/2018 01:05 pm »
As Falcon Heavy has flown once, even if in a pre-production not-quite-final-version as it did, I consider it very real.

So, if someone had a perspective on early-release flights with custom pre-production version hardware that made them not consider it a real rocket, would that be a beta-angle cutout?  8)

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2183 on: 03/09/2018 04:04 pm »
I have a question about Falcon Heavy. At what point, exactly, do we get to say Falcon Heavy exists? Are we there yet, or not?

What I mean is that, until very recently, I've seen many statements that FH is a "power-point rocket" or "paper rocket" because it doesn't really exist except on paper (and often they'd contrast it to SLS, saying the latter is a real rocket). I heard the same sort of thing even after we began seeing actual FH flight hardware, such as nosecones.

So, I'm wondering; how many times does FH need to fly before is can be considered a real rocket rather than a powerpoint one?
It depends on whether or not the universe is a simulation.  If it is a simulation than power-point rockets are real and real rockets are simulated. Paper rockets are still non-corporeal as paper doesn't exist. But in the end FH doesn't exist because the F9 does not exist [1] and the FH is 3 F9s. Had the FH been designed as 2 F9s, then the F9's lack of existence would mean that the FH totally exists.  But it doesn't.

[1] The F9 does not exist because everyone knows that a reusable VTVL rocket is pure fantasy.
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2184 on: 03/09/2018 04:38 pm »
So, I'm wondering; how many times does FH need to fly before is can be considered a real rocket rather than a powerpoint one?
The problem is that Falcon Heavy is actually three rockets, and therefore will never be a "real" rocket, just a loose collection of slightly modified Falcon 9s.  Falcon Heavy is just a concept, an idea.  Man.
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2185 on: 03/09/2018 04:49 pm »
Jars of Clay.... what you did there.... I see it.

of course FH is not real. There weren't any unicorns dancing in the flame trench when it launched so that doesn't count.
of course SLS is real. Respected members of the NSF forum said it was.

See?
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2186 on: 03/09/2018 05:31 pm »
So, I'm wondering; how many times does FH need to fly before is can be considered a real rocket rather than a powerpoint one?
The problem is that Falcon Heavy is actually three rockets, and therefore will never be a "real" rocket, just a loose collection of slightly modified Falcon 9s.  Falcon Heavy is just a concept, an idea.  Man.

Clearly it should've been called the Big Flocking Falcons.

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2187 on: 03/09/2018 05:37 pm »
Jars of Clay.... what you did there.... I see it.

of course FH is not real. There weren't any unicorns dancing in the flame trench when it launched so that doesn't count.
of course SLS is real. Respected members of the NSF forum said it was.

See?

Shouldn't that be unicows... or maybe rocket cows?

Great, now I'm thinking that SpaceX should be hosting a barbecue every launch...  must be lunchtime.
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2188 on: 03/10/2018 03:46 am »
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Clearly it should've been called the Big Flocking Falcons.

You just reminded me of an obscure 80's band:  A Flock of Falcons.

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2189 on: 03/10/2018 05:07 am »
Wow, the recent LEE swap out on ISS made much bigger changes than I thought.  Spaceborne Laser Lips' and progeny of snowblowers beware.
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2190 on: 03/10/2018 08:22 pm »
Did not know this, but...

SpaceX employees set up their own football (soccer) team! SpaceX FC!

https://twitter.com/spacexfc 

Wonder if other rocket companies have their own teams. If so, I propose a tournament!

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2191 on: 03/10/2018 10:36 pm »
Which leads us to the question, if they have redesigned every component, is it still a Falcon 9?

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2192 on: 03/11/2018 04:32 am »
Wonder if other rocket companies have their own teams. If so, I propose a tournament!
That would be hard, since the other teams would have to be entirely replaced after each match (except for Blue Origin, but they would just rush to the halfway line and then fall back to their own goal).

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2193 on: 03/11/2018 06:05 pm »
Did not know this, but...

SpaceX employees set up their own football (soccer) team! SpaceX FC!

https://twitter.com/spacexfc 

Wonder if other rocket companies have their own teams. If so, I propose a tournament!
And here I was just telling someone that you **weren't** footie mad ...
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2194 on: 03/11/2018 09:07 pm »
Did not know this, but...

SpaceX employees set up their own football (soccer) team! SpaceX FC!

https://twitter.com/spacexfc 

Wonder if other rocket companies have their own teams. If so, I propose a tournament!

Well I guess that gives us the title of at least one history for when we look back at this era.  :o


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A somewhat lighthearted look back at the true dawn of the space age.
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ps.  Considering the level of violence amongst the various sports club fans, is it really a good idea to encourage this between organizations that can build missiles?
« Last Edit: 03/11/2018 09:10 pm by Cherokee43v6 »
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2195 on: 03/12/2018 01:32 am »
Let's start naming all Block V boosters! Maybe randomly choose a name from the Culture book series?

Maybe call 1046 "Youthful Indiscretion" to kick things off

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2196 on: 03/12/2018 02:19 am »
Okay, I wrote a PHP script to randomly assign names to all cores up to 1100!

Attached is a CSV file with them all, and the php code used.  :)

Edit: added proper bb code format

Google Sheet
PHP Code Used


CoreName
1046Only Slightly Bent
1047The Ends Of Invention
1048Irregular Apocalypse
1049You Naughty Monsters
1050Thank You And Goodnight
1051You'll Thank Me Later
1052What Is The Answer And Why?
1053Fate Amenable To Change
1054Displacement Activity
1055Empiricist
1056Death And Gravity
1057Lasting Damage II
1058Poke It With A Stick†
1059Sacrificial Victim
1060Use Psychology
1061"Sense Amid Madness, Wit Amidst Folly"
1062Teething Problems
1063You Would If You Really Loved Me
1064What Are The Civilian Applications?
1065Sanctioned Parts List
1066Transient Atmospheric Phenomenon
1067Helpless In The Face Of Your Beauty
1068Congenital Optimist
1069Never Talk To Strangers
1070Ultimate Ship The Second
1071Pelagian
1072Eschatologist (temporary name)
1073Experiencing A Significant Gravitas Shortfall
1074Grey Area (aka Meatfucker)
1075Cantankerous
1076Little Rascal
1077Jaundiced Outlook
1078Sweet and Full of Grace
1079Credibility Problem
1080God Told Me To Do It
1081I Thought He Was With You
1082Unwitting Accomplice
1083Problem Child
1084Reasonable Excuse
1085A Series Of Unlikely Explanations
1086Ethics Gradient
1087Arbitrary
1088Yawning Angel
1089Qualifier
1090Well I Was In The Neighbourhood
1091A Ship With A View
1092Not Wanted On Voyage
1093"Bodhisattva, OAQS"
1094Stranger Here Myself
1095Armchair Traveller
1096Zero Gravitas
1097Just Testing
1098Just The Washing Instruction Chip In Life's Rich Tapestry
1099A Fine Disregard For Awkward Facts
1100Ablation
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2197 on: 03/12/2018 02:21 am »
What a clever idea, Craig_VG!
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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2198 on: 03/12/2018 03:14 am »
If any SpaceX people are reading this thread, I think Craig_VG's name list above is a hit.  Send this upstairs, quick!  Unless, of course, you want to save them for BFS!

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Re: Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread
« Reply #2199 on: 03/12/2018 03:27 am »
If any SpaceX people are reading this thread, I think Craig_VG's name list above is a hit.  Send this upstairs, quick!  Unless, of course, you want to save them for BFS!

A handful of names strike me as too good not to be reserved for certain milestone launches.

For Example:
First Crew Dragon:  Sanctioned Parts List
First Cargo BFS to Mars:  Not Wanted on Voyage
First Crew BFS to Mars:  A Ship with a View
First BFS Reentry from Mars:  Ablation
First Expended BFS:  Sacrificial Victim

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