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#260
by
SmallKing
on 11 Nov, 2017 11:57
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Maybe it is very common in US, Chinese launches have never been delayed by ships or aircrafts
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#261
by
centaurinasa
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:04
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Cygnus spacecraft back to external ground supplied power.
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#262
by
Svetoslav
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:15
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Yeah, countries famous for their excellent safety cultures. Shoot the culprit hasn't proven it's effectiveness yet. Several things had to go wrong here. The NOTAM system is a mess. I don't know when it was implemented, probably during WW2 or something. I guess it made sense back then.
While I agree somewhat with you and I wouldn't live in a non-democratic country, there are certain cases in the Western World that really make me amused and even angry. The first time when I openly disagreed with how things were being handled was when the Swine influenza became widespread in 2009, and borders weren't closed. The second time was during the refugee crisis in Europe (I'm living a country that's considered a hot-spot). And the third time is when flight violations aren't punished harshly enough.
This is just my opinion. Yes, I wouldn't live in China, but in our Western world, we have to agree that too much of a good thing isn't good at all.
Right now we have an airplane pilot that violated safety rules. This shouldn't be left without consequences. Being a pilot is a responsible job. There need to be harsher punishments, not just fines.
Again, this is my opinion.
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#263
by
centaurinasa
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:15
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#264
by
zubenelgenubi
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:22
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Has anyone posted today's NOTAMs to the thread? I took a quick look back at the earlier pages and didn't find them.
(See catdlr's FlightAware screen-caps up-thread.)
Has anyone confirmed that this JetBlu flight was in the NOTAM during the NOTAM duration?
I wonder if the fact that the flight departed Santiago, Dominican Republic late, and is anticipated to arrive at Boston Logan late, is a factor? They should have been beyond the the NOTAM area at launch time, if the flight was on-time. If someone NOTAM searched with too restrictive a time duration, maybe they would have never seen the NOTAM? Even so, that's still shoddy research.
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If the NOTAM violation could be confirmed, then maybe a local reporter should get themselves out to Boston Logan and pursue the story when the flight arrives?
(Interviewing the passengers exiting the terminal would be of human-interest, but pointless for gathering information.
One probably wouldn't be allowed to interview the flight crew, and if they're smart, they wouldn't want to talk to reporters. However, even "no comment, block the camera" video footage has some drama value.
However, maybe one could swing an interview with a Boston ATC supervisor?
A thought--I know; it will not happen.)
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#265
by
Lar
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:38
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I think that assumes that this is newsworthy to general interest media. The specialised space coverage outfits may not have someone local ( and no funding to hire a stringer)... but I'm just guessing. Some of our members that work in the media might know better.
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#266
by
Chris Bergin
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:42
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Jet Blue is off the hook. Told it was a small plane, VFR, a few miles offshore, was not answering FAA warnings. Bad pilot.
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PS Let's keep it on this launch and scrub, not political stuff.
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#267
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:43
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#268
by
KDH
on 11 Nov, 2017 12:51
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Small GA planes can have GPS satnavs that are linked to the NOTAM system which flash up warnings in flight if you are going to violate a NOTAM. Simple ones run on iPads and cost about $200 per year subscription. You would normally upload the NOTAMs when doing your pre-flight planning. However if you are old school you don't bother with any of that nonsense and just take off. Plus you don't have to talk to ATC after you have taken off and left your ATZ - not that this is a good idea!
So quite easy to bust restricted airspace if you don't do your pre-flight checks or talk to ATC.
There is no way it would have been a large commercial plane as they have much more advanced systems than GA planes plus they will be flying IR and be under instruction from ATC.
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#269
by
input~2
on 11 Nov, 2017 13:10
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NOTAMs for to-morrow:
!CARF
11/045 (KZDC A0197/17) ZDC AIRSPACE DCC ANTARES OA-8 STNR ALT RESERVATION WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 3757N07527W TO 3800N07514W TO 3759N07512W TO 3751N07517W TO 3757N07527W TO POINT OF ORIGIN AND WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 3750N07531W TO 3728N07539W TO 3723N07530W TO 3742N07530W TO 3739N07531W TO 3750N07531W TO POINT OF ORIGIN AND WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 3702N07502W TO 3705N07436W TO 3647N07436W TO 3648N07452W TO 3702N07502W TO POINT OF ORIGIN SFC-UNL 1711121200-1711121300
!CARF
11/046 (KZNY A0352/17) ZNY AIRSPACE DCC ANTARES OA-8 STNR ALT RESERVATION WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 2846N06208W TO 3052N06420W TO 2907N06631W TO 2701N06420W TO 2846N06208W TO POINT OF ORIGIN SFC-UNL 1711121200-1711121300
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#270
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 11 Nov, 2017 13:10
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Forecast for Nov. 12: 90 Percent Favorable
Aside from the slight chance of cloud ceilings at 2,000 feet for Sunday morning’s launch attempt, conditions look excellent with no real weather concerns at this time. The Wallops range forecast is 90 percent favorable.
Canadian high pressure will ridge over the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic states today with dry and unseasonably cold conditions. The area of high pressure will remain over the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic states through Sunday morning’s launch attempt, before sliding off the coast Sunday afternoon. The low-level stratus cloudiness off the Wallops coastline this morning will remain off the Wallops coastline today. As the area of high pressure begins to slide off the Northeast coastline Sunday morning, there is a slight chance of the low-level stratus moving onshore over the Wallops Region Sunday morning.
The launch of Orbital ATK’s Antares rocket carrying the Cygnus cargo spacecraft was scrubbed for Nov. 11 after an aircraft was detected in the vicinity of the launch pad. The next launch attempt is set for Sunday, Nov. 12. The five-minute launch window opens at 7:14 a.m. EST.
Author Rob GarnerPosted on November 11, 2017Categories Antares, Cygnus, Orbital ATK
https://blogs.nasa.gov/orbital/2017/11/11/forecast-for-nov-12-90-percent-favorable/
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#271
by
A12
on 11 Nov, 2017 13:14
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Jet Blue is off the hook. Told it was a small plane, VFR, a few miles offshore, was not answering FAA warnings. Bad pilot.
Maybe it is the one visibile on the flightaware screenshot below the islands.
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#272
by
grythumn
on 11 Nov, 2017 14:32
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Everyone at the Old Ferry thought it was a bigger plane west of us, fairly close.
Fairly crowded... need to get there earlier tomorrow.
-Bob
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#273
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 11 Nov, 2017 14:38
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#274
by
ZachS09
on 11 Nov, 2017 15:40
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I hope that today’s scrub is not a bad omen for tomorrow’s attempt. I mean, the launch ending in an explosion shortly after liftoff.
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#275
by
rayleighscatter
on 11 Nov, 2017 15:43
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Everyone at the Old Ferry thought it was a bigger plane west of us, fairly close.
Fairly crowded... need to get there earlier tomorrow.
-Bob
I was there too, but can't make the round trip again tomorrow. Bummer.
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#276
by
russianhalo117
on 11 Nov, 2017 17:05
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#277
by
JAFO
on 11 Nov, 2017 17:13
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Even the stuff I fly doesn't get real-time or graphic NOTAM depictions, but some bizjets might, and the experimental/kitplane I'm building with a Dynon Skyview will.
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#278
by
AnalogMan
on 11 Nov, 2017 17:40
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Looking Ahead: OA-8 Launch Milestones on Nov. 12Rob Garner - November 11, 2017On Nov. 12 Orbital ATK will launch its Cygnus spacecraft aboard an Antares rocket on a journey to the International Space Station from NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility on Virginia’s Eastern Shore. The five-minute launch window opens at 7:14 a.m. EST. Cygnus is carrying 7,400 pounds of crew supplies, hardware and scientific research equipment.
Milestones (Approximate Timing)
12:50 a.m. EST — live video of the launch pad airs on
Wallops’ Ustream 6:45 a.m. — live launch commentary airs on
NASA TV 7:14 a.m. — five-minute launch window opens
Launch + 3.7 seconds — liftoff
L+ 3 min., 34 sec. — main engine cutoff (MECO)
L+ 3 min., 40 sec. — first stage separation
L+ 4 min., 11 sec. — fairing separtaion
L+ 4 min., 16 sec. — interstage separtaion
L+ 4 min., 24 sec. — second stage ignition
L+ 7 min., 6 sec. — second stage burnout; orbit insertion
L+ 9 min., 6 sec. — Cygnus spacecraft separates — 121.3 miles altitude; 16,846 mph
https://blogs.nasa.gov/orbital/2017/11/11/looking-ahead-oa-8-launch-milestones-on-nov-12
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#279
by
flyright
on 11 Nov, 2017 18:13
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