Quote from: WindnWar on 03/15/2017 12:23 amQuote from: calapine on 03/14/2017 09:22 pmI looked it up: SpaceX's first GPS III launch contract was awarded in April 2016 and valued at $ 82.7 million.So, discounting inflation, a price increase of 16.7%I'm curious about the price increase, additional requirements or just cost of doing business?Just like Jim predicted long ago, SpaceX prices are rising to meet the requirements of reality. - Ed Kyle
Quote from: calapine on 03/14/2017 09:22 pmI looked it up: SpaceX's first GPS III launch contract was awarded in April 2016 and valued at $ 82.7 million.So, discounting inflation, a price increase of 16.7%I'm curious about the price increase, additional requirements or just cost of doing business?
I looked it up: SpaceX's first GPS III launch contract was awarded in April 2016 and valued at $ 82.7 million.So, discounting inflation, a price increase of 16.7%
Quote from: edkyle99 on 03/15/2017 02:24 amQuote from: WindnWar on 03/15/2017 12:23 amQuote from: calapine on 03/14/2017 09:22 pmI looked it up: SpaceX's first GPS III launch contract was awarded in April 2016 and valued at $ 82.7 million.So, discounting inflation, a price increase of 16.7%I'm curious about the price increase, additional requirements or just cost of doing business?Just like Jim predicted long ago, SpaceX prices are rising to meet the requirements of reality. - Ed KyleSo, Ariane can stop developing A-6 and ULA can discontinue layoffs... why bother cutting prices in half when Spacex is doing just what Jim predicted.
Meanwhile, [Claire] Leon said that the Air Force has no plans to fly payloads on Falcon 9 rockets with previously-flown first stages. The service has specifically requested SpaceX not to fly re-used hardware.“We would have to certify flight hardware that had been used which is more qualification, more analysis, so we’re not taking that on quite yet,” she said. “If it proves to be successful for commercial, we might consider that in the future.”
Of the 15 missions planned for Phase 1A, the first two – the GPS 3 launches – are already awarded to SpaceX. Leon said SMC plans to group the next seven launches together, and expects to put out a request for proposal (RFP) within the next couple of months.The seven launches will be grouped together to help streamline the acquisition process, but it does not mean that a single launch provider will win all seven contracts, Leon said.SpaceX, however, will need to roll out its next rocket if it wants to win some of the launches.“They will need the Falcon Heavy for some of those competitions,” Leon said. “They need to get a demo flight off at least to be competitive for some of those missions.”
Nice fat indirect subvention from US government, which SpaceX willcontinue to use to offer cheap rides to SES, Spanish government and so on... what about taxpayers' money ?
SpaceX’s lower cost compared to its competitor was the major factor in winning a contract for a GPS 3 launch, an Air Force representative said Wednesday. “Price was a major factor,” said Claire Leon, the launch enterprise director for the Air Force Space and Missile Systems Center, which oversees acquisitions for many space systems and services. During a teleconference with reporters, Leon said SpaceX’s bid price was lower than other “competitors,” but did not refer to United Launch Alliance by name when discussing the contract award.
Hmm, as I understand it FH demo flight is NET Q4 2017. So if the RFP is going out 'wirhin the next couple of months' then doesn't sound like it can fly before SpaceX submit their response.I guess if contract award isn't until 2018 may still be ok, but presumably FH has to fly - and the AF see and assess the data - before the AF completes their bid assessment?
@AF_SMC: @SpaceX still needs to do work re: review of Sept failure before launching the GPS-3 sats it's been awarded.
SpaceX has suffered a pair of calamitous Falcon 9 rocket failures in June 2015 and Sept. 2016, destroying both the rocket and payloads for NASA and the AMOS-6 communications satellite respectively.So the U.S. Air Force should definitely be balancing risk vs. reward with regard to lower pricing and factoring in rocket robustness and reliability, regarding launches of national security satellites which could cost into the multi-billions of dollars, take years to manufacture and are not swiftly replaceable in case of catastrophic launch failures.ULA’s workhorse Atlas V rocket successfully delivered the final GPS satellite in the IIF series to orbit for the US Air Force on Feb 5, 2016.
SpaceNews has a follow-up article on this contract award. You won't be suprised to know that SpaceX won on price, but this quote is interesting on AF's view of re-use:QuoteMeanwhile, [Claire] Leon said that the Air Force has no plans to fly payloads on Falcon 9 rockets with previously-flown first stages. The service has specifically requested SpaceX not to fly re-used hardware.“We would have to certify flight hardware that had been used which is more qualification, more analysis, so we’re not taking that on quite yet,” she said. “If it proves to be successful for commercial, we might consider that in the future.”http://spacenews.com/spacexs-low-cost-won-gps-3-launch-air-force-says/Claire Leon is the launch enterprise director for the Air Force Space and Missile Systems Center
“I would be comfortable if we were to fly on a reused booster,” General John "Jay" Raymond told reporters at the U.S. Space Symposium in Colorado Springs. “They’ve proven they can do it. ... It’s going to get us to lower cost.”
Regarding GPS III:Quote from: Salo on 08/29/2018 05:58 amScheduled:Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)2018NET December 15 - GPS III-1 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-402019April 4 - GPS III-2 - Delta-IV-M+(4,2) - Canaveral SLC-37BNET H2 August October - GPS III-3 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40Late - GPS III-4 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or Q1 2020)2020H1 H2 - GPS III-5 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40H2 - GPS III-6 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or NLT June 2021)Changes on September 5thChanges on September 7thONEIs the Delta IV launch now for GPS III-3?<snip>
Scheduled:Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)2018NET December 15 - GPS III-1 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-402019April 4 - GPS III-2 - Delta-IV-M+(4,2) - Canaveral SLC-37BNET H2 August October - GPS III-3 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40Late - GPS III-4 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or Q1 2020)2020H1 H2 - GPS III-5 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40H2 - GPS III-6 - Falcon 9 - Canaveral SLC-40 (or NLT June 2021)Changes on September 5thChanges on September 7th
I'm really not sure now if the Delta-IV launch is 2 or 3. A couple recent references have mentioned it as the second flight.
From SFN launch schedule, September 6 update:<snip>Delta IV-Medium/GPS III-2 launches on April 4, 2019.Falcon 9/GPS III-3 delayed from August 2019 to October 2019.
The second GPS 3-series satellite, known as SV02 or GPS 3-01, is scheduled for liftoff April 4 from Cape Canaveral, the Air Force said, on the final launch of the medium-lift, single-core variant of ULA’s Delta 4 rocket.
Also planned for next year: The third GPS 3-series satellite has a target launch date in October 2019 on another SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket...
The first satellite launched in 2018 and a second will be available for launch in mid-2019. The third satellite is expected to be launched in late fall 2019. The program continues to face delayed deliveries of certain satellite components which could affect the schedules for satellites 4 through 10.
Do we know yet if this launch will be expendable (like the other GPS launch was IIRC) or will they try to recover this one?
Schedule for SV03 seems to be holding so far:QuoteThe first satellite launched in 2018 and a second will be available for launch in mid-2019. The third satellite is expected to be launched in late fall 2019. The program continues to face delayed deliveries of certain satellite components which could affect the schedules for satellites 4 through 10.https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-19-458T
The third GPS 3-series spacecraft is assigned to fly on a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral in December 2019, the Air Force said.
So https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/12/17/air-force-requirements-will-keep-spacex-from-recovering-falcon-9-booster-after-gps-launch/sayingQuoteThe third GPS 3-series spacecraft is assigned to fly on a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral in December 2019, the Air Force said.is definitely wrong?