Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9 : PAZ & Microsat 2a/2b : SLC-4E : Feb 22, 2018 : DISCUSSION  (Read 207702 times)

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Where is the info on the mass of the MicroSats coming from?

From the FCC filing, Purpose of Experiment
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The primary structure for the Microsat-2a and -2b test spacecraft will be a box design measuring 1.1m x 0.7m x 0.7m and carries the spacecraft flight computer, power system components, attitude determination and control components, propulsion components, GPS receiver, and broadband, telemetry, and command receivers and transmitters. The primary bus is mounted on the payload truss system, which also carries communications panels, inter-satellite optical link transmitters and receivers, star trackers, and a telemetry antenna. There are two 2x8 meter solar panels. Each demonstration spacecraft has a total mass of approximately 400kg



This extract from the FCC licence for the whole constellation gave the mass for the whole starlink sat as 386kg.
Similarly, the solar panels were 2*6*2m, which has grown as well.

This sounds less like a early test satellite, and more like a full-up prototype, which has grown a little from early estimates..

The box dimensions of '1.1x0.7x0.7' are interesting.
To make a note here: my understanding is that Starlink payload bus uses digital waveform communications antenna panels instead of analog antenna beam and reflectors.

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And she is back outside 23 hours before launch on a cold clear morning.


I cannot in a few minutes find a nice shot of the TEL which lets me compare the diameter of the fairings. It looks a hair bigger by eye, but I can't find an image I can simply measure it from.
Anyone happen to have a nice comparison image?

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And she is back outside 23 hours before launch on a cold clear morning.


I cannot in a few minutes find a nice shot of the TEL which lets me compare the diameter of the fairings. It looks a hair bigger by eye, but I can't find an image I can simply measure it from.
Anyone happen to have a nice comparison image?

And she is up.

Comparing to the body of the rocket, I get 5.3 to 5.5 meters. It certainly looks slightly larger, but not by much.

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Based on the new vertical image I can't really tell any huge difference between that fairing and any others. It seems a little bit wider than usual, but I thought I heard Fairing 2.0 would be easily distinguishable from other ones.

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PAZ is vertical on the pad, and I think we have a 5.28-meter fairing. At least if my pixel-counting skills are what they used to be.

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Based on the new vertical image I can't really tell any huge difference between that fairing and any others. It seems a little bit wider than usual, but I thought I heard Fairing 2.0 would be easily distinguishable from other ones.

People have been saying Block 5 F9s would be immediately recognizable, I don't recall hearing that about fairing 2.0

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Based on the new vertical image I can't really tell any huge difference between that fairing and any others. It seems a little bit wider than usual, but I thought I heard Fairing 2.0 would be easily distinguishable from other ones.

Maybe the secret sauce for Fairing 2 is on the inside.

It's a fairing, how much could the optics change?
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Any sign of an updated launch forecast yet? If there's not likely to be fog, I'm thinkin of making the trek.
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PAZ is vertical on the pad, and I think we have a 5.28-meter fairing. At least if my pixel-counting skills are what they used to be.

I got 5.4 meters, but with the JPEG compression it's hard to get better than +/- 0.1 meters out of that picture.

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I wonder what kind of propulsion system they used. Could they have just thrown a single Draco on there?

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Any sign of an updated launch forecast yet? If there's not likely to be fog, I'm thinkin of making the trek.

I expect severe clear. A bit chilly too. Probably around 40F at launch.

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I wonder what kind of propulsion system they used. Could they have just thrown a single Draco on there?
Adding carcinogenic, really toxic propellants to the fairing does not seem likely, if cold gas thrusters will work well enough.
Weight isn't a _huge_ issue at this point, as 10kg on the fairing means about 1kg off the payload.

Plus, in the event of a really, really marginal mission, they can simply not install the recovery hardware.


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I wonder what kind of propulsion system they used. Could they have just thrown a single Draco on there?
Adding carcinogenic, really toxic propellants to the fairing does not seem likely, if cold gas thrusters will work well enough.
Weight isn't a _huge_ issue at this point, as 10kg on the fairing means about 1kg off the payload.

Plus, in the event of a really, really marginal mission, they can simply not install the recovery hardware.
I meant on the Starlink test sats.

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Hall Thrusters are planned for constellation, so that may be what this second generation test sat is using.
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Mr. Steven is heading out for the first fairing recovery attempt with Fairing 2.0.
She's making good way but not exactly straining her capabilities. Wonder if that's fuel consumption or if there are speed restrictions with those giant arms. It will be interesting to see what speed she returns at, especially if we have reason to beleive she caught something...
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Based on the new vertical image I can't really tell any huge difference between that fairing and any others. It seems a little bit wider than usual, but I thought I heard Fairing 2.0 would be easily distinguishable from other ones.

Maybe Fairing 2.0 will be black/unpainted (like the b5 interstage)...?
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PAZ is vertical on the pad, and I think we have a 5.28-meter fairing. At least if my pixel-counting skills are what they used to be.

It looks no different than the existing one, IMO. And you cannot get 8cm of accuracy from that picture.

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PAZ is vertical on the pad, and I think we have a 5.28-meter fairing. At least if my pixel-counting skills are what they used to be.

It looks no different than the existing one, IMO. And you cannot get 8cm of accuracy from that picture.
My bad. I thought the original fairing was 5 meters even.

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Mr. Steven is heading out for the first fairing recovery attempt with Fairing 2.0.
She's making good way but not exactly straining her capabilities. Wonder if that's fuel consumption or if there are speed restrictions with those giant arms. It will be interesting to see what speed she returns at, especially if we have reason to beleive she caught something...

Fuel consumption perhaps. Would expect cruise to be somewhere around 60% of max.

Suspect the arms will affect stability, which will get incrementally worse as speed increases.

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PAZ is vertical on the pad, and I think we have a 5.28-meter fairing. At least if my pixel-counting skills are what they used to be.

It looks no different than the existing one, IMO. And you cannot get 8cm of accuracy from that picture.
My bad. I thought the original fairing was 5 meters even.

No, closer to 5.2m. (see image) Although precision of that is hard to know.

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