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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #840 on: 05/17/2018 05:15 pm »
Has the white powdery stuff on the underside (black side) of the leg been discussed?
TEA-TEB reaction residue, same as the white powder seen inside the engine bells after landing.
That seems unlikely to me; the legs don't come down until well after the final engine ignition.  I don't recall that we've ever seen TEA-TEB on the rocket body before, just in the inside of the engine bells.
You wouldn't notice it against a white surface.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #841 on: 05/17/2018 06:10 pm »
Has the white powdery stuff on the underside (black side) of the leg been discussed?
TEA-TEB reaction residue, same as the white powder seen inside the engine bells after landing.
That seems unlikely to me; the legs don't come down until well after the final engine ignition.  I don't recall that we've ever seen TEA-TEB on the rocket body before, just in the inside of the engine bells.

Remember the trouble they had with purging the remaining TEA/TEB on the first ASDS landed stage? Since then they must have automated it and gotten it done immediately after landing. Wind blowing across the ASDS could deposit the residue onto the legs and the outside of the engine section.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #842 on: 05/17/2018 06:24 pm »
The powder is white.  The old legs were white.  The new legs are black.  QED

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #843 on: 05/17/2018 06:55 pm »
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #844 on: 05/17/2018 08:49 pm »
The powder is white.  The old legs were white.  The new legs are black.  QED

Why then did we never see the residue in the engines which were not lit for landing?  I doubt there is enough residue to make it all the way to the legs as we see here.  I suspect it is more likely simply "ablated ablator".

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #845 on: 05/17/2018 09:00 pm »
The powder is white.  The old legs were white.  The new legs are black.  QED

Why then did we never see the residue in the engines which were not lit for landing?  I doubt there is enough residue to make it all the way to the legs as we see here.  I suspect it is more likely simply "ablated ablator".

I did not speculate on the nature of the powder.  Only on the reason it is being noticed now. But the "ablator" is also new so maybe you have a point.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #846 on: 05/18/2018 08:27 am »
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Guys, I'm headed for home. Wish me luck!

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #847 on: 05/18/2018 05:09 pm »


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Published on 18 May 2018
- http://www.americaspace.com
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The new Block 5 verision of the Falcon 9 booster will have the capability to refold its' legs after landing to enable faster turn around. This flight, being the first of type was being handled differently. On return to port day, we saw that they were removing the hydraulic lines from the leg towards the water and figured that restowing wasn't going to happen this time.

About half way thru the time lapse, dust clouds apper from the right as the dock to the East was being swept. It looks like the dust wasn't blowing directly on the Falcon, and no one grabbed the covers for the engine nozzles.

Credit: Jeff Seibert / AmericaSpace.com
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #848 on: 05/18/2018 06:51 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #849 on: 05/18/2018 06:54 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Shipping* back to Hawthorne?

* the core
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #850 on: 05/18/2018 06:57 pm »
My guess, is the legs can NOT stay on for over the road (cross country) transport...
ERGO the semi truck down the interstate...  8)
SO... because it looks pretty easy to take them off while it sits on the cradle there...
They did...  ;)

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #851 on: 05/18/2018 07:08 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because SpaceX wants to examine them first.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #852 on: 05/19/2018 09:17 am »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

My personal guess was that it was to compare the new legs against the baseline of the old legs when handled the same way.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #853 on: 05/19/2018 10:27 am »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #854 on: 05/19/2018 02:46 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

That will be disappointing and expensive if they have to send it to back across the country.

They have been working recovered stages for awhile now.

We may never find out, but I think there was a problem with retracting the legs.  It was a much discussed feature, Elon is a showman, he would have wanted it to be seen.

Maybe it’s easier for the tear down work to remove them, but I think they would have retracted them regardless.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #855 on: 05/19/2018 03:09 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

That will be disappointing and expensive if they have to send it to back across the country.

They don't HAVE TO. They WANT TO do it.

They want to inspect the first flown B5 booster very carefully in order to make sure they can throughfully evaluate the condition of all the parts in it.

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They have been working recovered stages for awhile now.

... from earlier F9 models. And they have found out that certain parts suffer damage and then they have tried to strengthen those parts. Now they need to make sure the improvements they have made have worked.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #856 on: 05/19/2018 03:49 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

That will be disappointing and expensive if they have to send it to back across the country.

They don't HAVE TO. They WANT TO do it.

They want to inspect the first flown B5 booster very carefully in order to make sure they can throughfully evaluate the condition of all the parts in it.

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They have been working recovered stages for awhile now.

... from earlier F9 models. And they have found out that certain parts suffer damage and then they have tried to strengthen those parts. Now they need to make sure the improvements they have made have worked.
Yes. This will not be routine to send it for teardown. This will be unique for this first B5. The rest (if all works as intended) will fly numerous times with little more than inspections at the HIF or hangar.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #857 on: 05/19/2018 04:45 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

That will be disappointing and expensive if they have to send it to back across the country.

They don't HAVE TO. They WANT TO do it.

They want to inspect the first flown B5 booster very carefully in order to make sure they can throughfully evaluate the condition of all the parts in it.

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They have been working recovered stages for awhile now.

... from earlier F9 models. And they have found out that certain parts suffer damage and then they have tried to strengthen those parts. Now they need to make sure the improvements they have made have worked.


I didn't say they wouldn't tear it down.  They have tools and technicians in Florida.  Shipping a booster isn't like an Amazon Prime delivery.  It's expensive and it's a potential risk for the booster, not to mention the lost time, in weeks, in shipping. 
Starship, Vulcan and Ariane 6 have all reached orbit.  New Glenn, well we are waiting!

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #858 on: 05/19/2018 08:36 pm »
This is indeed interesting. Why did they remove the legs instead of refolding them?

Probably because they  get the stage ready for transport to Hawthorne or McGregor.

That will be disappointing and expensive if they have to send it to back across the country.

They don't HAVE TO. They WANT TO do it.

They want to inspect the first flown B5 booster very carefully in order to make sure they can throughfully evaluate the condition of all the parts in it.

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They have been working recovered stages for awhile now.

... from earlier F9 models. And they have found out that certain parts suffer damage and then they have tried to strengthen those parts. Now they need to make sure the improvements they have made have worked.


I didn't say they wouldn't tear it down.  They have tools and technicians in Florida.  Shipping a booster isn't like an Amazon Prime delivery.  It's expensive and it's a potential risk for the booster, not to mention the lost time, in weeks, in shipping.

Not all the necessary tools. They have tools to mate the stages together and do small maintainance to fix problems that are detected during static fire or countdown.

And their technicians in florida are busy preparing for the next launches.

But to really tear a stage apart to inspect EVERYTHING they need practically the same tooling that was used to build it.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates and Discussion
« Reply #859 on: 05/19/2018 09:48 pm »
I didn't say they wouldn't tear it down.  They have tools and technicians in Florida.  Shipping a booster isn't like an Amazon Prime delivery.  It's expensive and it's a potential risk for the booster, not to mention the lost time, in weeks, in shipping.
(bold added to quote - highlight the points I question below)
1) Likely not near as expensive as you think... There is a SpaceX S1 semi truck going back west EMPTY with some regularity...
2) I have never heard of a S1 being damaged in transit with now 40+ boosters moved to date... you?
3) Weeks?... coast to coast (in daylight only) MIGHT take a week tops... My opinion...

Also note... the stage about to launch in CA was the one that launched Zuma from FL in January...
This is the 2nd stage 1 IIRC that will fly from both coasts for SpaceX... (1029 was the other IIRC)
on edit...
1046 MAY be destined to undergo a full inspection in CA with the people who designed the Block 5 mods getting to see the results in person (a plus)...
Then it MAY be headed to Vandy to seed the 'on hand' Block 5 flying pool there... 
Time will tell... ;)
« Last Edit: 05/19/2018 10:02 pm by John Alan »

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