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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #380 on: 12/20/2017 05:05 AM »
I wonder how much of this naming confusion has come about due to deliberate avoidance of the number V2

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #381 on: 12/20/2017 12:49 PM »
That was Dragon/Crew Dragon's problem, not Falcon.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #382 on: 12/20/2017 02:48 PM »
I wonder how much of this naming confusion has come about due to deliberate avoidance of the number V2

I think it best to consider the earlier Blocks (especially Block 4) as 'Beta' versions of the fully and rapidly reusable rocket long ago promised.

Once the final product is ready to hit the streets, all Beta versions are discarded as quickly as possible.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #383 on: 12/22/2017 02:39 PM »
Iridium 4 and Falcon Heavy Demo vehicles are not Block 5, and this really isn't the thread to be discussing them in.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #384 on: 12/27/2017 10:19 PM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.

So given that this is a "few months away", which core number and which launch do people think that will be?

And a side thought...  Does getting NASA on used cores mean SpaceX can get three flights on v1.3?  Or do the changes not warrant that?

Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #385 on: 12/27/2017 10:21 PM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.

So given that this is a "few months away", which core number and which launch do people think that will be?

And a side thought...  Does getting NASA on used cores mean SpaceX can get three flights on v1.3?  Or do the changes not warrant that?

I'd guess around Core 1055
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #386 on: 12/27/2017 11:17 PM »
I think it will be called Falcon 9 Mark II

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #387 on: 12/27/2017 11:31 PM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.

So given that this is a "few months away", which core number and which launch do people think that will be?

And a side thought...  Does getting NASA on used cores mean SpaceX can get three flights on v1.3?  Or do the changes not warrant that?
Please don't call Block 5 v1.3.  It's Block 5.  It is quite possibly F9 v1.2 Block 5. The LAST thing we need to do is invent our own naming conventions that could conflict with future SpaceX version names.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #388 on: 12/27/2017 11:35 PM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.

So given that this is a "few months away", which core number and which launch do people think that will be?

And a side thought...  Does getting NASA on used cores mean SpaceX can get three flights on v1.3?  Or do the changes not warrant that?
Please don't call Block 5 v1.3.  It's Block 5.  It is quite possibly F9 v1.2 Block 5. The LAST thing we need to do is invent our own naming conventions that could conflict with future SpaceX version names.

True, but it has huge amounts of changes from Full Thrust
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #389 on: 12/27/2017 11:52 PM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.

So given that this is a "few months away", which core number and which launch do people think that will be?

And a side thought...  Does getting NASA on used cores mean SpaceX can get three flights on v1.3?  Or do the changes not warrant that?
Please don't call Block 5 v1.3.  It's Block 5.  It is quite possibly F9 v1.2 Block 5. The LAST thing we need to do is invent our own naming conventions that could conflict with future SpaceX version names.

True, but it has huge amounts of changes from Full Thrust

It is Full Thrust (v1.2). Each ďVersionĒ has its own set of ďBlocks,Ē and v1.2 has 5 Blocks. There is no such thing as v1.3.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #390 on: 12/28/2017 12:00 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #391 on: 12/28/2017 12:08 AM »
I second Block 5 being called v1.3.
I respectfully disagree.  The shift from v1.1 to v1.2 included a second stage stretch.  v1.0 to v1.1 also included fuselage stretches.  Informal convention at this point would require a dimensional change in the outer mold line - especially a tank stretch - to garner a v1.3 designation.  SpaceX calls it Falcon 9 Block 5.  Why don't we?

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #392 on: 12/28/2017 12:09 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.

As far as SpaceXís public relations are concerned, itís been that way since they introduced v1.2. But for most of us here, that doesnít cut it. Itís a bit ridiculous to call this and this the same name.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #393 on: 12/28/2017 12:20 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.

As far as SpaceXís public relations are concerned, itís been that way since they introduced v1.2. But for most of us here, that doesnít cut it. Itís a bit ridiculous to call this and this the same name.

Why not? We call this and this the same name and they are separated by 47 years of design modifications. Falcon 9 v1.0 and Falcon 9 Block 5 are separated by only about 7 years.

Falcon 9 seems appropriate.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #394 on: 12/28/2017 12:28 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.

As far as SpaceXís public relations are concerned, itís been that way since they introduced v1.2. But for most of us here, that doesnít cut it. Itís a bit ridiculous to call this and this the same name.

Why not? We call this and this the same name and they are separated by 47 years of design modifications. Falcon 9 v1.0 and Falcon 9 Block 5 are separated by only about 7 years.

Falcon 9 seems appropriate.
The titles of the 737 images you linked derail your argument.  One is a 737-200.  The other is a 737 MAX 8 or somesuch.

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F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #395 on: 12/28/2017 12:33 AM »
Why not? We call this and this the same name...

This demonstrates my point to a T. Those are both 737s, but as Ed noted, one is a 737-200 and the other is a 737-8 MAX. Theyíre the same general design but drastically different revisions, and their names clearly reflect that. Keeping the same product name is fine as long as thereís a more detailed nomenclature for revisions.

Also, the time between revisions is irrelevant.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #396 on: 12/28/2017 01:43 AM »
On bended knee I beg my fellow enthusiasts not to go down the version naming rabbit hole.

On topic, any guesses when the first Block 5 rocket will fly? I heard a rumor on the MECO podcast that the next core coming off the production line will be a Block 5.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #397 on: 12/28/2017 01:48 AM »
Gwynne recently (November) said late first quarter.  Elon recently (December) said in a few months, which would be around March.  I'd expect sometime around March.

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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #398 on: 12/28/2017 04:36 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.

As far as SpaceXís public relations are concerned, itís been that way since they introduced v1.2. But for most of us here, that doesnít cut it. Itís a bit ridiculous to call this and this the same name.

Why not? We call this and this the same name and they are separated by 47 years of design modifications. Falcon 9 v1.0 and Falcon 9 Block 5 are separated by only about 7 years.

Falcon 9 seems appropriate.
The titles of the 737 images you linked derail your argument.  One is a 737-200.  The other is a 737 MAX 8 or somesuch.

When I see a 737 at an airport or in the air, regardless of what model it is, I still call it a 737. Same for the 747.

And when I see pictures of previous Falcon 9 flights I don't say "look, a v1.0", or "look, a block 3 or 4ish". I say "look, a Falcon 9".

If it looks like a Falcon 9, it's a Falcon 9.
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Re: F9 Block 5 Updates, Discussions, and Speculations
« Reply #399 on: 12/28/2017 04:38 AM »
With consolidation down to a single design going forward, it will be called... wait for it... Falcon 9.

As far as SpaceXís public relations are concerned, itís been that way since they introduced v1.2. But for most of us here, that doesnít cut it. Itís a bit ridiculous to call this and this the same name.

Why not? We call this and this the same name and they are separated by 47 years of design modifications. Falcon 9 v1.0 and Falcon 9 Block 5 are separated by only about 7 years.

Falcon 9 seems appropriate.
The titles of the 737 images you linked derail your argument.  One is a 737-200.  The other is a 737 MAX 8 or somesuch.

When I see a 737 at an airport or in the air, regardless of what model it is, I still call it a 737. Same for the 747.

And when I see pictures of previous Falcon 9 flights I don't say "look, a v1.0", or "look, a block 3 or 4ish". I say "look, a Falcon 9".

If it looks like a Falcon 9, it's a Falcon 9.

Me too.

When I see an Atlas V 431 and a 521, I'm not like "Neat, an Atlas V 431 and 521!", rather, "Look, two Atlas Vs!"
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